CarlinAnnArbor
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Goes beyond dogs though. You're just familiar with that animal. Virtually ALL animals will surprise you when you understand themI do not think you’re an ass at all...anymore. Dogs and humans have a great bond...but not all humans. Humans who mistreat dogs should be punished to the full extent of the law. Dogs are innocent friends. Many humans are assholes.If you’re a dog trainer as you claim then you know dogs can sense who dog people are and are not. I have Always been great with dogs. All dogs. No chance someone like Walking Dead trained any dog. Dogs sense your mood, intentions and overall bond. Hell, our friends have a pb mix and when they are away the only person that walks him is me as he doesn’t trust others. He is a beast but not with me. Dog people are the best people in the world. The best!Or...they are so afraid of a correction all doing is trying to avoid it. I like a dog that is not afraid to try. I went to a Schutzehund competion a few years and saw some beautiful working partnerships. The dogs were engaged, focus, happy and just waiting for next cue. And as quickly, they turned it off. The top winning GSD went from that to schmoozing with kids under the canopyYeah your dog should be looking at you intently not worried. People get too happy with the choke chain and the dog gets resentful.Depends on how you train them. I use the prey drive so my dogs love being at heel. They know eventually they will get a treat....or maybe they wont. The suspense gets them worked up and they ignore everything except me.No. I'm not assuming. I read her apology. Looks like you should be better informed before you assume.Because the guy asked her to leash the dog.There was no court case. What are you talking about?Per the last paragraph, yes. This is one area of the park set aside for people to bird watch. Human traffic on trails is less disruptive than canine traffic running in and out,chasing critters etc. You can assume all dogs are as well trained as yours or thatin all owners are as respectful. A 6 leash allows dog walkers to enjoy that area as well as birdwatchers.Thats an incredibly stupid comment. An obligation doesnt have to be legal. its moral.Yes I did to both.It is an excuse. You have the right because of the first amendment. There is also a such thing as citizens arrest for a reason.Thats a losing argument. It is not sufficient to use the "other people do it too excuse". You sound like a child.There are signs that say people are supposed to drive at a certain MPH as well.True, but she was in an area where dogs are supposed to be leashed and there were plenty of signs to that effect. Sure she could have made a choice to ignore him (and he could have rightfully filmed her off lead dog and called the cops on her.).No. She should have put her dog on a leash.Actions have consequences.Her punishment will be far more severe than the seriousness of her crime. She will spend the rest of her life in hiding because of the death threats. She will never be able to get a job again. Everyone she knows, except her few real friends, will disown her.
Like I said she should have just ignored him
Says you.
She has no obligation to comply with the orders of some unknown civilian.
In fact she has no obligation to acknowledge him if he speaks to her
Tell me how many actually follow those rules.
Was the dog bothering the guy?
It seemed to me he was quite a distance away from the woman and her dog.
Doesnt matter how far the dog was away. It was disturbing the wild life the sign was posted to protect.
It's not an excuse I am merely wondering why anyone who is not in law enforcement thinks they have the right to tell other people what to do.
And a dog on a leash can disturb wildlife. FYI people can disturb wildlife too.
A dog on a leash cannot attack wildlife which is the point. Yes humans can disturb and kill wild life but the sign was speaking of dogs being leashed not humans.
No the first amendment does not give you the right to enforce laws.
All he can do is say something, and he did. It's still not his job to make the person put a dog on a leash is it?
Like I said she should have just ignored the guy like I would have done.
Who said the 1rst gave you the right to enforce laws? This was your question...."I am merely wondering why anyone who is not in law enforcement thinks they have the right to tell other people what to do. "
The first amendment gives you the right to say what you want, including telling people to obey posted signs.
He didnt make the woman put the dog on the leash. Where did you get the assumption he made her do anything?
She had the right to ignore him just like you do. Instead she jumped to becoming a hysterical racist bitch.
You said you have a right because of the first amendment didn't you? Then you mentioned citizens' arrest didn't you?
The first amendment has nothing to do with citizens arrest and nothing to do with enforcing laws
As I said civilians do not have a duty to enforce the laws.
He can say whatever he wants but not one person has any obligation to listen to him.
I didnt say the 1rst had anything to do with citizens arrest. Your reading comprehension is on the fritz.
I dont care what you said. Civillians have a duty to help enforce laws up to a point which includes a citizens arrest.
True. No one has to listen to the guy. That doesnt mean he doesnt have the right to say what he said.
No they don't have an obligation to enforce laws.
If they did then people could be arrested for not stopping a criminal from committing a crime.
I have no moral obligation to enforce any law.
If I see a guy robbing a store I have no legal or moral obligation to stop him from doing so in fact I can leave the scene and refuse to speak to the police if I choose.
That said if i saw a person commit murder I would at the very least tell the cops what I saw but I would have no legal or moral obligation to physically detain that person
Tell what mortal imperative drives a civilian to enforce a leash law? Is it the disturbing the birds thing? Because people disturb birds all the time.
There was no evidence presented that this dog was disturbing the birds.
How do you know the dog was disturbing the birds?
Did you see any video of it?
You didn't because there was none.
So you are ASSUMING facts not in evidence
I dont have to see the video. She con concurred with the way things went down.
So you're assuming just admit it. There is nothing shown that supports the assumption that the dog was bothering this guy or any birds.
And she concurred that her dog was "disturbing the birds"?
I didn't see that. I saw her apologize for overreacting but that's all.
She apologized for what? Her completely inappropriate behavior in response to being told to leash her dog by a guy who had no authority to do so. Right?.
I'm not defending what she said or how she acted.
I am wondering why a person feels the need to tell other people what to do when it there was nothing presented that shows the dog misbehaving whatsoever.
Like I said if it was me i would have simply ignored the guy and kept walking
She had a leash in her hand. How hard would it have been for her to clip it on the dogs collar, walk out of the area, and take the dog off the leash again?
Don't know don't care.
I walk my dogs on a heel all the time and they stay closer to me than any dog on a 6 foot leash I have ever seen. I'm not going to assume this dog was bothering anyone or any birds.
But I do always wonder why people don't mind their own business.
When I walk my dogs, I allow them to range, sniff, explore as long as they listen, check in, and there are no people or other animals they can bother. That is what makes it enjoyable for them. If your dog is required to be at heel at all times, itisn’t much fun for them.
Yup, I do something similar, I use drive and engagement, but I am engaged as they are so it is intense, focused and fun, but not what we would do for our casual walks. One of tbe the things I used to hate about old style obedience (30 plus years) was seeing worried, flat dogs heeling at the end of a choke chain. No joy, no energy.
Takes a lot of work, and, to bring it back around to tbe topic, I couldn’t see that that partnership had yet developed in the dog in the video who’s owner was completely oblivious of her dog.
You are 100% right about dogs...but you don’t know Asclepius outside of the arguments here. What we see of anyone here is only a small part of who we really are. (I.e. I am not this much of an ass in real life). He knows dogs, and he has posted on this before.