The whole story about the death of Pretti

[toobfreak]

The point is "why are you on the left such hypocrites" ?????

Hypocrisy looks rational to the Left. They see straight lines in U-turns. It is all based on feelings.



Consider this: Pretti was an ER nurse. Think about that the next time you go into a hospital needing care.

Wonder what his employer would say if asked about their killer ER nurse taking guns into brawls with federal authorities?

Maybe that is how the hospital insures a steady steam of business?

 

[Samofvt]

Pretti got into a hands on with cops armed with a concealed weapon.

Rittenhouse did not

You forgot to point out that Rittenhouse gave first aid to some of the rioters, and also appeared to assist law enforcement when they arrived. There isn't any comparison to this deranged, probably drug addled, Pretti character.

There is definitely a time to rise up against an oppressive state. This is not it. These Minnesotans are rising up against the part of the state that is working hard to keep them safe and uphold law and order. They appear to be under the propaganda influence of same people who wish to steal from them and cause them harm.

 

[Dr Grump]

Of course you would have shot her, you believe she deserved to die for being a Trump supporter.

Babbit Shooting: How dare anyone rise up against the US government and protest it
Pretti Shooting: How dare the US government fight back against protestors impeding them

Babbit Shooting: Federal LE totally justified to shoot and kill an unarmed woman that was no threat
Pretti Shooting: Federal LE are goons and out of control for shooting an armed man who was physically fighting with them

Total and complete 180 views ONLY based on what political side the shooter is defending. You have absolutely no moral ground to stand on, your 'opinions' are worthless bullshit because you are unable to have an even remotely unbiased view because of your hatred for Trump and anyone that supports him. All you do is make a complete fool of yourself even trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth on the topic. And what's funny is that you're so damn oblivious and stupid that you don't even see it.

Pathetic comparison. How about if Pretti had thousands of armed goons on the streets with him breaking into cars and beating the shit out of ICE agents. Then, and only then, do you have a point. Otherwise it's a pathetic attempt to compare apples with apples.

Look, just because you rubes want to believe in everything your Orange Jesus says and does, doesn't mean the rest of us do. The problem with you morons and the ones that Trump appoints is that this time around, those appointees have adopted one of his worst traits - shooting from the hip before finding out what happened.

Deplorable Version of Events
"Oh, Pretti approached the ICE agents with his gun drawn and threatened officers and is a domestic terrorist.
Evidence: None.

What actually happened.
The camera wielding Pretti tried to help a woman up who had been pushed over while he was being pepper sprayed by an ICE goon. They didn't even know he had a gun until they shoved him on the ground and took it from him.
Evidence: Multiple camera angles.

You guys - seriously. Morons. You do realise we all saw what happened? You do get that, right? Please say you get that?

 

[Dr Grump]

Pretti got into a hands on with cops armed with a concealed weapon.

Rittenhouse did not

What vid were you watching. They absolutely got hands on with him.

 

[toobfreak]

Pretty sure.

Pretty sure? Is that what you want to tell police, not to defend themselves from an armed assailant who had been fighting with them for a week who brought a gun and 30 rounds to disrupt a police sting?

Hey officer--- put your life on the line and hope not to die because Mr. Grump is "pretty sure" this guy won't shoot you?

Have any idea HOW MANY DEAD COPS there are who died because they made that assumption and hesitated?

 

[WelfareQueen]

No, it was not illegal, and the word 'illegal' was not used by Kristi Noem to describe it, for a reason Welfare Queen.

Improper is something not done the right way, or by the standard usually considered best, or unsuitable or ...not properly done.

But illegal, is behavior that is a formal, written offense, punishable under code of law by our govt.

It is a misdemeanor in Minnesota. Look it up.

 

[toobfreak]

You forgot to point out that Rittenhouse gave first aid to some of the rioters, and also appeared to assist law enforcement when they arrived. There isn't any comparison to this deranged, probably drug addled, Pretti character.

Remember a few years ago, some lawyer and his wife brought out an AR-15 to guard their home after a big group of crazy people broke down their iron gate and were threatening them on their own property? They were nearly prosecuted and disbarred from practicing law. Now, I wonder what will happen to THIS guy who was "defending his neighborhood from the federal government?" With children a few feet away.

There is definitely a time to rise up against an oppressive state. This is not it. These Minnesotans are rising up against the part of the state that is working hard to keep them safe and uphold law and order. They appear to be under the propaganda influence of same people who wish to steal from them and cause them harm.

The only rational conclusion is that the Left see law and order as a THREAT to their very existence. Probably why Joe Biden did nothing but break laws while never enforcing any (except made up ones against his political rivals).

 

[Dr Grump]

Pretty sure? Is that what you want to tell police, not to defend themselves from an armed assailant who had been fighting with them for a week who brought a gun and 30 rounds to disrupt a police sting?

Hey officer--- put your life on the line and hope not to die because Mr. Grump is "pretty sure" this guy won't shoot you?

Have any idea HOW MANY DEAD COPS there are who died because they made that assumption and hesitated?

Except they didn't know he was armed until they beat down on him and took his weapon. And he wasn't assailing anybody. The only assailing I saw was from the ICE thugs.

Yeah, well unlike you I used to be a cop. And I'm pretty good at summing up situations. It was a clusterfuck from ICE. Ill-trained goons. The irony was that the civilian was trying to de-escalate, and the person who should have been trained to do so, did the opposite.

 

[task0778]

Here's my question: how are the ICE agents supposed to know that the gun they took away from him was the only one he had? Did he reach into his jacket or pocket? I have not seen a clear video that shows that one way or the other but sure appears like he's struggling with them. Which is not to say the shooting was legit or not. But it seems like so many on the Left are jumping to conclusions that fit their politics while so many others on the Right are jumping to a different conclusion that fits theirs.

 

[Robert W]

He didn’t have ID on him, which is required with your permit to carry. He was illegally carrying.

Hell, Minnesota will let illegals vote so long as the illegals claim to be citizens.

https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/ssvtrelig.pdf

 

[toobfreak]

Except they didn't know he was armed until they beat down on him and took his weapon.

A). Reports of their taking his gun first are specious at best.
B). He got into a brawl after repeated attempts to get him out of their way and his refusal to follow orders had failed.
They did not put him in the middle of the street fighting police, HE did.

And he wasn't assailing anybody. The only assailing I saw was from the ICE thugs.

ICE belonged there doing their job. Pretti was there because he was deliberately obstructing justice. You are either a big danger or a real ass if you end up on the ground with three federal officers fighting with you in the middle of the street, or both.
That is why you don't argue with cops and you especially don't bring a gun with you.

Yeah, well unlike you I used to be a cop.

There's a scary thought. What were you removed from the force for?

And I'm pretty good at summing up situations.

Yet I've never seen any evidence for that claim. I've not seen you sum up one thing accurately here.

It was a clusterfuck from ICE. Ill-trained goons.

Too bad ICE isn't there to deal with street assholes, they are there to apprehend illegal aliens. The clusterfuck was that there has been no police there from the city or state to control these idiots and keep them off ICE's backs. But then, any cop would know that.

The irony was that the civilian was trying to de-escalate,

It is not the job of some nurse to "de-escalate" especially a situation he helped create. Pretti's only job was to follow orders and stay on the sidewalk.

and the person who should have been trained to do so, did the opposite.

ICE has been trying to de-escalte for a month. These loons are impervious to de-escalation. They WANT confrontation. They got it. And if you were ever a cop, you were a very bad one.

 

[Eman623]

Nope he was videotaping them and when some woman was sprayed his instincts as a good man kicked and with his medical training kicking in he went to help her .. and ICE was all over him as if he was an escaped felon

Maybe he should have yelled, "I'M A GOOD MAN!!" before inserting himself into a confrontation between ICE officers and a nutjob woman.

 

[Dr Grump]

A). Reports of their taking his gun first are specious at best.
B). He got into a brawl after repeated attempts to get him out of their way and his refusal to follow orders had failed.
They did not put him in the middle of the street fighting police, HE did.


ICE belonged there doing their job. Pretti was there because he was deliberately obstructing justice. You are either a big danger or a real ass if you end up on the ground with three federal officers fighting with you in the middle of the street, or both.
That is why you don't argue with cops and you especially don't bring a gun with you.


There's a scary thought. What were you removed from the force for?


Yet I've never seen any evidence for that claim. I've not seen you sum up one thing accurately here.


Too bad ICE isn't there to deal with street assholes, they are there to apprehend illegal aliens. The clusterfuck was that there has been no police there from the city or state to control these idiots and keep them off ICE's backs. But then, any cop would know that.


It is not the job of some nurse to "de-escalate" especially a situation he helped create. Pretti's only job was to follow orders and stay on the sidewalk.


ICE has been trying to de-escalte for a month. These loons are impervious to de-escalation. They WANT confrontation. They got it. And if you were ever a cop, you were a very bad one.

If you saw no evidence of them taking his gun, then you need to look harder. My blind grandmother could see them taking his gun.

Got into a brawl? He did no such thing. You can see that. Now, you're just being silly.

Widdle Freaky is being silly willy.

 

[Robert W]

I guess she should have stopped after they broke out the glass and she was told to halt, with that crowd behind her, ready for follow through. I guess, she made a poor decision. If a cop pulls his gun, points it at you and tells you to stop, you really should give it some thought. I would have stopped, wouldn't you? Or would you just assume the lone cop at the last line of defense was bluffing? Tell me both ways, Would you have stopped back then? If trying to bust in there tomorrow and a cop pointed his gun and told you to stop, would you stop, now?

It is still my belief, and contention is she was picked up and shoved into that window. Still even had she wanted to crash through, why do it? We know for a fact this. She hit the man who busted the window out. She never would have gone though that window alone. In her case, she was not armed. In the case of the man shot Saturday in MN, he was heavily armed and, in his case, he was interfering directly with law enforcement.

 

[toobfreak]

If you saw no evidence of them taking his gun, then you need to look harder. My blind grandmother could see them taking his gun.
Got into a brawl? He did no such thing. You can see that. Now, you're just being silly.

If you have video showing that, produce it. All I've seen are 1-2 stills.

I'm a former forensic image expert. I've done forensics for police, attorney's etc. If the data or proof is there, I'll see it.

 

[Dr Grump]

It is still my belief, and contention is she was picked up and shoved into that window. Still even had she wanted to crash through, why do it? We know for a fact this. She hit the man who busted the window out. She never would have gone though that window alone. In her case, she was not armed. In the case of the man shot Saturday in MN, he was heavily armed and, in his case, he was interfering directly with law enforcement.

Apples and Oranges. The capital was awash with rioters and insurrectionists. Politicians were cowering in their offices and police died because of it.

Pretti was one guy with a camera, who when being left alone, showed no inclination of using his firearm. He was assaulted - first with pepper spray and then by four or five thugs.


A person runs out in front of a car, on purpose, in a freeway and gets killed by the car.
A man goes up to another man, shoots him in the head and kills him.

Robert W logic to the above scenarios? Both the car driver and the shooter should be charged with murder in those situations. "Huh?" I hear you say. "Well, two people are dead" says Robert W.

Yes, you sound that dumb.

 

[Dr Grump]

If you have video showing that, produce it. All I've seen are 1-2 stills.

I'm a former forensic image expert. I've done forensics for police, attorney's etc. If the data or proof is there, I'll see it.

You are telling me that you haven't seen any of the videos or long list of still shots??? WTF are you doing even debating the situation? Go look for them. They are not hard to find.

 

[toobfreak]

The capital was awash with rioters and insurrectionists.

No it wasn't Fake Cop. There is no legal definition of an insurrectionist. Not a single J6er was charged with "insurrection."

Politicians were cowering in their offices and police died because of it.

Not one cop died of it. One cop died THE NEXT DAY maybe because of the protest aggravating some underlying medical condition. But a second woman DID die that day, trampled on the steps of the Capitol.

Pretti was one guy with a camera, who when being left alone, showed no inclination of using his firearm. He was assaulted - first with pepper spray and then by four or five thugs.

BULLSHIT, Fake Cop.

Yes, you sound that dumb.

Not as stupid as you, liar fake cop. Let me guess, you TRIED OUT to be an officer, but never made the grade. I'd sure hate to have you as my partner depending on a PUNK like YOU for back-up.

 

[White 6]

It is still my belief, and contention is she was picked up and shoved into that window. Still even had she wanted to crash through, why do it? We know for a fact this. She hit the man who busted the window out. She never would have gone though that window alone. In her case, she was not armed. In the case of the man shot Saturday in MN, he was heavily armed and, in his case, he was interfering directly with law enforcement.

Had never heard that one. Picked up and shoved through a safety glazed doorlite, about 40 inches above the floor, eh? Everything I read said she was attempting to be the first to climb through the doorlite, that Chad Barrett Jones smashed by repeated bashing with various objects, including a wooden flag pole.

 

[Dr Grump]

Had never heard that one. Picked up and shoved through a safety glazed doorlite, about 40 inches above the floor, eh? Everything I read said she was attempting to be the first to climb through the doorlite, that Chad Barrett Jones smashed by repeated bashing with various objects, including a wooden flag pole.

It's on Youtube. She absolutely tried to go through the broken glass door. She was climbing through when she was shot.