The whole story about the death of Pretti

[scruffy]

ICE has no mandate to deal with traffic

ICE has a mandate to get their job done. They can do anything required. That is the law.

 

[Lisa558]

Well, Nazi Germany only had about 32,000 Gestapo and were augmented by 800,000 SS forces.
ICE has about 22,000 (up 10,000 since a year ago. The are assisted with 21,800 Customs and Border patrol.
Problem is, the actually started the brutal high profile stuff, Trump talks up, within the last year, so they are just getting started with the cleansing.
I hate what was done you your people, though it was before my time. I do not want to see Trump and company morph further that direction in tactical operations in the round up. A famous poem says,
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Well, when they came for illegal aliens, that were not criminal, just people going about their lived, working contributing,... I did not speak out, as I was not an alien, legal or otherwise, and do think they should be dealt with, rather than let the problem continue.
When they started killing the supposed druggy boat people, but providing no evidence of the drug crimes I didn't really speak out, except for the killing of survivors in the water, clinging to what was left of their boat, rocketed from a safe distance.
Now, they appear to be comming for the Democrats in Democrat cities and states. I have not really been speaking out, as I am not a Democrat and do not live in a Democrat city or state.
But, now, they appear to be coming for ordinary American Citizens, in these cities in a lawless, reckless, storm trooper manner, disregarding basic decency, more empowered by what they can get away with under cover of a regime that covers all of it's ass, when it can, down to the ones that actually do the killing. Again, presenting no evidence to contradict what is shown from multiple angles on video, and indeed confiscating evidence without release, attempting to keep any investigation in house. So, yes, I am speaking out, at least on this message board, as what they are doing, the way they are going about it, and how this administration has promoted and and yes, instigated selectively in only Democrat cities is not right.

When they get around to coming for honorably retired Army/Army National Guard Officers in Tennessee, loyal Americans, quietly living their lives, who will speak for me? Probably nobody, so I will at least say what I think, now. Statements of my family would carry no more weight, than that statement from Petti's family, changing no minds of those that support the methods and tactics of this administration.

You sure wrote a lot of words, but your attempt to draw a parallel between Nazis seeking out Jews to kill and ICE agents seeking violent, criminal aliens to deport is so beyond disgusting and offensive that I stopped reading after your opening lines.

Disgusting comparison. You should be ashamed, but you’re too brainwashed by leftism to even understand why.

And YOU are a mod?!

 

[Blisterfinger]

So no explanation of what "intelligence points" are probably because you pulled the term out of your ass & decided to use it here.

Nice try, genius.

They measure intelligence in points you stupid ass! Thanks for proving my point dummy! What an idiot you are, you prove it everyday

 

[Blisterfinger]

Well, Nazi Germany only had about 32,000 Gestapo and were augmented by 800,000 SS forces.
ICE has about 22,000 (up 10,000 since a year ago. The are assisted with 21,800 Customs and Border patrol.
Problem is, the actually started the brutal high profile stuff, Trump talks up, within the last year, so they are just getting started with the cleansing.
I hate what was done you your people, though it was before my time. I do not want to see Trump and company morph further that direction in tactical operations in the round up. A famous poem says,
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Well, when they came for illegal aliens, that were not criminal, just people going about their lived, working contributing,... I did not speak out, as I was not an alien, legal or otherwise, and do think they should be dealt with, rather than let the problem continue.
When they started killing the supposed druggy boat people, but providing no evidence of the drug crimes I didn't really speak out, except for the killing of survivors in the water, clinging to what was left of their boat, rocketed from a safe distance.
Now, they appear to be comming for the Democrats in Democrat cities and states. I have not really been speaking out, as I am not a Democrat and do not live in a Democrat city or state.
But, now, they appear to be coming for ordinary American Citizens, in these cities in a lawless, reckless, storm trooper manner, disregarding basic decency, more empowered by what they can get away with under cover of a regime that covers all of it's ass, when it can, down to the ones that actually do the killing. Again, presenting no evidence to contradict what is shown from multiple angles on video, and indeed confiscating evidence without release, attempting to keep any investigation in house. So, yes, I am speaking out, at least on this message board, as what they are doing, the way they are going about it, and how this administration has promoted and and yes, instigated selectively in only Democrat cities is not right.

When they get around to coming for honorably retired Army/Army National Guard Officers in Tennessee, loyal Americans, quietly living their lives, who will speak for me? Probably nobody, so I will at least say what I think, now. Statements of my family would carry no more weight, than that statement from Petti's family, changing no minds of those that support the methods and tactics of this administration.

Biden sure created a hell of a mess to clean up. Thanks for that

 

[Clipper]

They measure intelligence in points you stupid ass! Thanks for proving my point dummy! What an idiot you are, you prove it everyday

You mean a person's I.Q.? That's how people with a brain refer to it.

Next time you want to pull a term out of your ass, leave it there where it belongs.

 

[Leo123]

Accosted? BS. He was trying to help the woman up, when he was chemically sprayed and attacked. His last words were asking the lady if she was OK, and then please don't before they did kill him, after disarming him.

So, you think those officers just sprayed him for no reason? WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Blisterfinger]

You mean a person's I.Q.? That's how people with a brain refer to it.

Next time you want to pull a term out of your ass, leave it there where it belongs.

You mean a person's I.Q.? That's how people with a brain refer to it.

Bingo! You got it! I knew you could you can't be as dumb as you come off on here. Try as hard as you might LOL

Next time you want to pull a term out of your ass, leave it there where it belongs.

Your intelligence quotient (which is very low) is measured in numbers that some would call points you dumb shit. Hahahahaha thanks for the laugh

 

[Samofvt]

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not in the real world...

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New Video Analysis Reveals Flawed and Fatal Decisions in Shooting of Pretti

A frame-by-frame assessment of actions by Alex Pretti and the two officers who fired 10 times shows how lethal force came to be used against a target who didn’t pose a threat.


When federal agents shot and killed 37-year-old Alex Pretti in Minneapolis on Saturday, officials said he approached agents with a handgun, intending to massacre them. “An individual approached U.S. Border Patrol agents with a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun.” “This looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.”

But a Times analysis of video footage from the scene in the moments when two officers opened fire, clearly contradict federal government statements. Pretti does not appear to pose a threat to agents. In fact, at several critical junctures, he is outnumbered and under their control. Here are the key moments that reveal what happened. We see Pretti walking about, filming a group of protesters who are speaking with a federal agent. He’s holding a cell phone in one hand.

The other hand is empty. It’s just over 30 seconds before the shooting when a protester is pushed to the ground. Pretti steps between her and the agent who’d shoved her, briefly putting his hand on the agent’s waist. The agent pepper-sprays Pretti’s face.

We can see Pretti is still holding his phone in one hand while holding his other hand up to protect himself against the spray. Contrary to statements by federal officials, he’s made no threatening movements towards agents.

Pretti, who had a firearms permit, carries a gun holstered on his right hip, but he doesn’t reach for it. And it appears agents are unaware the gun is even there. He reaches toward the protester, apparently trying to help her up, while agents begin grabbing him from behind.

He tries to pull away, and again he makes no threatening movements towards the agents. But agents pull him backwards and force him to the ground. Then shots ring out. [gunfire] Now we’ll slow things down, so each moment is clear.

Here is Pretti. Several agents are restraining him. And this is the Border Patrol agent who will shoot him first. This appears to be when agents first notice that Pretti is carrying a firearm and yell that he has a gun. Watching the same moment from a different angle, the agent who first pepper-sprayed Pretti beats him several times with the spray canister.

We can see that both of Pretti’s arms are pinned down by his head. This agent in gray reaches to remove Pretti’s weapon from his hip, as this agent unholsters his gun, nudges the agent in gray out of the way and fires. [gunfire] Let’s rewind and focus on the agent who shoots first. Just seconds before he fired, he was facing away from Pretti and focusing on an entirely different situation as he tries to spray a nearby woman with an irritant. The spray appears to malfunction, and the agent turns as he adjusts it. That’s when someone yells that Pretti has a gun. And around five seconds after fully turning his attention toward Pretti, the agent draws his weapon and shoots. [gunfire] His arm visibly recoils at the first shot. The firearm has clearly been removed from the scrum when the first shots are fired toward Pretti at close range. [gunfire]

The officer who disarmed Pretti can be seen reacting to the sound of the first shot, looking back toward the skirmish. The shooter was standing behind Pretti and not under direct threat, contradicting statements from Homeland Security officials that he fired defensive shots.

He also has a vantage point to see the gun pulled from the scene, but it’s unclear if he did and whether he thought a weapon was still on Pretti. He then fires three more shots from behind Pretti, whose arms are down as he appears to brace himself against the pavement.

In one hand, he still holds his phone, and in his other, his glasses. The agent in gray, who removed Pretti’s gun, carries it across the street. Pretti is disarmed and falling to the ground.

But the agent who first pepper-sprayed Pretti and later beat him with a canister, also pulls out his gun. From a distance, despite the fact that Pretti is lying motionless on the ground, these two agents fire six more shots. Neither is under threat. [screaming] [gunfire, screaming] In total, the agents fire 10 shots in five seconds.

After the shooting, an agent kneeling next to Pretti’s body asks where the gun is — — showing that not all of the officers seem to know the weapon had been removed. Agents appear to begin giving medical aid. About 31 seconds elapsed from the time agents first physically engaged Pretti to the moment the last shot was fired.

What I see with my own eyes tells a different story: a deranged individual disobeyed orders from uniformed law enforcement and acted like he was in charge. This is a common delusion of drug addicts, notably PCP and CRACK cocaine.

I also saw the uncut video when he clings on to a woman and drags her several feet before letting her go. This indicates he intended to use her as a human shield.

I ask again: having medical connections and knowledge of the "system", what level of involvement does this agitator have in the fraud? I will wager he was up to his eyeballs in guilt. He had no other way out but to play that card.

For starters, I demand to see an autopsy report of the chemicals that were in his system. Secondly, he probably knew he was going to jail unless something big happened, due to his involvement in the fraud.

This is a good lesson for the naive: Never disobey direct commands from law enforcement officers. Normal street thugs understand this, but this guy was so stoned out of his mind he couldn't cope with reality.

The End.

 

[White 6]

Biden sure created a hell of a mess to clean up. Thanks for that

Yes. He did. I bitched about it here, from day 2 of his administration.

 

[Care4all]

Nope. No I.D. Reported by multiple outlets. Concealed carry is illegal in Minnesota without a valid I.D.


"Federal authorities, including Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and DHS officials on social media, claimed that Alex Pretti did not have an ID on him at the time of his death."

"Secretary Noem used the lack of ID to claim Pretti was carrying his firearm "improperly," as Minnesota law requires permit holders to carry both their permit card and a valid photo ID."

Clarifying Minnesota’s permit to carry law following comments by federal officials

Weekend comments made by some top Trump administration officials are raising questions about Minnesota’s permit to carry laws, following the fatal shooting of a Minneapolis resident by federal forces on Saturday.

www.kttc.com

Thank you! I had not seen her saying it!

Not illegally, but improperly is what she said. There is a huge difference! There is no statute where a person can be criminally charged for forgetting their ID. It is simply a $25 fine...which isn't much at all of a fine....shoot... parking violations cost more in most cases...so the law was not trying to make this some kind of dramatic, Worst thing in the World Example with their fine... ya know? It was and it is, a nothing burger, so to say...by the fine amount.

And NOT ONE of those border agents knew this at the time they killed him, so it is irrelevant in the why he was killed by agent(s).... you know that, don't you?

 

[White 6]

So, you think those officers just sprayed him for no reason? WTF is wrong with you?

What was wrong with them? And, for that matter, what is wrong with you? The sprayed him, because they had it and didn't know how to keep it in their pants. Not everybody trying to help a woman up, you aren't arresting is an enemy of you, or the state.

 

[Care4all]

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What I see with my own eyes tells a different story: a deranged individual disobeyed orders from uniformed law enforcement and acted like he was in charge. This is a common delusion of drug addicts, notably PCP and CRACK cocaine.

I also saw the uncut video when he clings on to a woman and drags her several feet before letting her go. This indicates he intended to use her as a human shield.

I ask again: having medical connections and knowledge of the "system", what level of involvement does this agitator have in the fraud? I will wager he was up to his eyeballs in guilt. He had no other way out but to play that card.

For starters, I demand to see an autopsy report of the chemicals that were in his system. Secondly, he probably knew he was going to jail unless something big happened, due to his involvement in the fraud.

This is a good lesson for the naive: Never disobey direct commands from law enforcement officers. Normal street thugs understand this, but this guy was so stoned out of his mind he couldn't cope with reality.

The End.

What orders did he get from the border agent that you claim was given to him, before they pepper sprayed him? What were these " orders he got" that you speak about and claim he disobeyed?

 

[progressive hunter]

What was wrong with them? And, for that matter, what is wrong with you? The sprayed him, because they had it and didn't know how to keep it in their pants. Not everybody trying to help a woman up, you aren't arresting is an enemy of you, or the state.

helping a women up??

he put himself between the agent and the women and was attempting to push the agent back you stupid ****,,

 

[Seymour Flops]

Nope he was videotaping them and when some woman was sprayed his instincts as a good man kicked and with his medical training kicking in he went to help her .. and ICE was all over him as if he was an escaped felon

How was he planning to help her?

Advising her not to acost police would be his best help. Other than that, what?

 

[Clipper]

So, you think those officers just sprayed him for no reason? WTF is wrong with you?

Ask yourself why Trump & his W.H. goons lied thru their teeth within minutes of those killings & why they're busting their humps to cover up what really happened.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Thank you! I had not seen her saying it!

Not illegally, but improperly is what she said. There is a huge difference! There is no statute where a person can be criminally charged for forgetting their ID. It is simply a $25 fine...which isn't much at all of a fine....shoot... parking violations cost more in most cases...so the law was not trying to make this some kind of dramatic, Worst thing in the World Example with their fine... ya know? It was and it is, a nothing burger, so to say...by the fine amount.

And NOT ONE of those border agents knew this at the time they killed him, so it is irrelevant in the why he was killed by agent(s).... you know that, don't you?

The point being you cannot conceal carry a gun in Minnesota without an valid I.D. He did have a valid I.D. therefore his concealed gun was illegal. And yes, a misdemeanor is a crime.

 

[berg80]

How was he planning to help her?

Advising her not to acost police would be his best help. Other than that, what?

Accost police? She was being assaulted by police.

The first sign of trouble came on Monday morning. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, one of Donald Trump’s former defense attorneys, appeared on Fox News to defend the administration’s response to federal agents shooting and killing Alex Pretti two days earlier. Fox & Friends co-host Griff Jenkins began by asking whether the victim’s actions constituted “domestic terrorism.”

Blanche dodged the question, noting that the matter was still being investigated and adding that he didn’t want to “prejudge” — despite prominent members of Team Trump having already tried to establish a ridiculous counternarrative in which Pretti was the villain.

When Jenkins reiterated the underlying question and suggested the victim’s actions did not appear to meet the “definition of domestic terrorism,” the deputy attorney general said he didn’t think anyone in the administration was comparing the Pretti incident to the definition of domestic terrorism.

Roughly 48 hours earlier, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem held a press conference in which she told a national television audience, “When you perpetuate violence against a government because of ideological reasons and for reasons to resist and perpetuate violence, that is the definition of domestic terrorism. This individual who came with weapons and ammunition to stop a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed an act of domestic terrorism.”

White House hangs members of Trump’s own team out to dry after Pretti killing

The White House reinforced concerns about chaos within the administration by distancing the president from prominent members of his operation.

www.ms.now

Members of the regime can't get their story straight.

 

[Robert W]

They never asked. He was dead before they got around to it. Presuming gets people dead. They are not supposed to presume everybody with a gun is some kind of criminal. Having one in your holster, definitely does not grant summary execution on the side of the street, and definitely not have you have been disarmed.

Minnesota is so radical in carrying firearms. Yet Minnesota supports this firearm carrier.

 

[berg80]

So, you think those officers just sprayed him for no reason? WTF is wrong with you?

Please explain to me what threat Pretti posed as he was on his hands and knees on the pavement, restrained by multiple officers, not facing the officer who first opened fire on him, and at the time he was shot.......disarmed?

 

[80zephyr]

Not a reason to execute an unarmed man.

Nope. But he wasn't shot because of that.