The War On Poverty: Lost

[NYcarbineer]

$22 Trillion later...

... Census will almost certainly proclaim that around 14 percent of Americans are still poor. The present poverty rate is almost exactly the same as it was in 1967 ....


As I said....the War On Poverty, Lost

It was not lost if the counterfactual is that things would be much worse without it.

I asked, would the poor in American have been better off since 1965 if there had never been Medicaid, which happens to be the cornerstone of the war on poverty programs.

Prove they'd have been better off for the last 50 years. Prove they'd be better off NOW if Medicaid was ended.

Prove all of that and you'll be on your way to proving the war on poverty has been a failure;

on the other hand, if you can't prove any of that, your assertion is a failure.

$22 trillion of money stripped from the taxpayers, with no resultant diminution in the original problem...

What sort of imbecile would deny that that is failure and/or corruption of the worst kind....?

Raise your paw.

You've never been able to articulate a plan that would have worked better.

How would you have assisted low income Americans who needed healthcare for the last 50 years and got it from Medicaid?

Did I get an answer to this? No?

Can anyone help PC? She's been rendered mute on a key element of her own topic.

As much as I enjoy that, I'd much rather hear the conservative rationale for the ending of Medicaid.

Stop begging.

Just like the 'war on poverty,' you've lost.

I have facts; you have lame insults.

You have placed yourself in the awkward position of having to support something you rail against as a failure. Maybe you should stick to perfecting your stay at home mom skills.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you want a list of some of the bridges still standing and being used in today's infrastructure or do you want to include the ones that have been replaced in the last decade or so?

Yes, if I want roads, I have to accept Marxism. Every time liberals have to defend socialism, you go with roads. Roads are not even a plank of the Manifesto. Even Marx didn't think that point had to be made.

Marx was greatly influenced by Friederich Engels; Engels was greatly influenced by having seen the horrid working conditions in England that were the product of the growing capitalist industrial revolution.

Marxism did not occur in a vacuum. It occurred as a reaction to the horrors of capitalism.

You fool.


1. "A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.” Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.


2. For Babeur, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”


3. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”


4. Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

5. But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes.


6. These economic advances continued throughout the period of the rise of socialist ideology. The poor didn’t get poorer because the rich were getting richer (a familiar socialist refrain even today) as the socialists had predicted. Instead, the underlying reality was that capitalism had created the first societies in history in which living standards were rising in all sectors of society."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Nothing you said, or cut and pasted, has anything to do with what I said.

If you want to dispute that Marx was influenced by Engels, then do so.

If you want to dispute that Engels was influenced by the horrors of capitalism in the Industrial Revolution, then do so.

Otherwise, show an ounce of courtesy and don't clutter the board with garbage.

This is what you said:
"Marxism did not occur in a vacuum. It occurred as a reaction to the horrors of capitalism."

I showed that, as usual, you were totally, eternally, abysmally incorrect.


But, neither learning, nor telling the truth are your strong suits....

...carry on.

Friederich Engels most important work,

The Condition of the Working Class in England

The Condition of the Working Class in England by Friedrich Engels Reviews Discussion Bookclubs Lists

 

[Bfgrn]

And as you see, no one including the author of this thread has any such argument to make,

so, no, it is not a fact that the war on poverty was lost.

$22 Trillion later...

... Census will almost certainly proclaim that around 14 percent of Americans are still poor. The present poverty rate is almost exactly the same as it was in 1967 ....


As I said....the War On Poverty, Lost

You keep making a claim of $22 trillion spent...show me the math? It is a reasonable request. Nowhere in Robert Rector's "study" does he show the math or methodology.

No problem.

Scribd


Read the article and get back to me.

Reading without reflecting is like eating without digesting.
Edmund Burke

You need to take Burke's advice PC. You really are embarrassing yourself by not paying attention. You are too busy spreading your lies and propaganda. This was debunked over 50 posts ago...

The War On Poverty Lost Page 14 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

$22 Trillion wasted, no decrease in the targeted problem...= failure.

You remain an 'i- squared'......and ideological idiot.

Step off.

SO...aid to communities recovering from natural disasters; money to enforce child support orders; programs that improve teachers' skills; money given to colleges and universities to strengthen their management and fiscal operations, and money that gives rural communities assistance upgrading their water and sewage systems is all part of the war on poverty...

 

[Wry Catcher]

Marx was greatly influenced by Friederich Engels; Engels was greatly influenced by having seen the horrid working conditions in England that were the product of the growing capitalist industrial revolution.

Marxism did not occur in a vacuum. It occurred as a reaction to the horrors of capitalism.

Really?

What is the origin of parasitism?

Was it because you and your ilk hated to wake up early and earn a living?

.

Parasitism. You mean the shameless exploitation of workers by capitalists?

Excuse me ding dong

As you very well know , if you dont want to be "exploited" (wink, wink) by a capitalist, you can stay home and let the welfare state politicians take care of your ass.

Taxpayers/producers on the other hand cann not escape from the Internal Robbery Squad.

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Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this. Is it a Banker who pays interest on your money at today's rate (under 1%) and loans money at ten times that rate or more? I call that a thief.

Is it the stock broker / financial planner who sells products s/he won't buy for themselves because the risk is high and the return sucks (yes, payola does exist in this industry too). That too is a thief.

Are they the Master's of the Universe and predatory mortgage lenders? Whose wealth did they create and at what cost did the taxpayer suffer when one of the well connected was investigated yet never or rarely prosecuted?

How about todays' version of the snake oil salesman, selling pills with no medical benefit - a billion dollar industry with no benefits to anyone but themselves (at least a lamp provides light, if it works for more than a week)?

How about a firefighter, maybe s/he doesn't create wealth, per se, but by saving property and lives they surely have some value. And how about the cop, would you call your insurance broker first if someone were breaking into you home?

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told; we are in fact pragmatists who understand human nature and have history to provide us perspective. You have only an ideology and are a fellow traveler for the Plutocrats, those who hold working men and women in disdain and see us as nothing more than an entity to exploit.

 

[Wry Catcher]

bump

 

[NYcarbineer]

When will PoliticalChic tell us how the war on poverty will be won once all aid to the poor is abolished?

 

[Contumacious]

Really?

What is the origin of parasitism?

Was it because you and your ilk hated to wake up early and earn a living?

.

Parasitism. You mean the shameless exploitation of workers by capitalists?

Excuse me ding dong

As you very well know , if you dont want to be "exploited" (wink, wink) by a capitalist, you can stay home and let the welfare state politicians take care of your ass.

Taxpayers/producers on the other hand cann not escape from the Internal Robbery Squad.

.

.

Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


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[initforme]

I'm all for gov't assistance for those working full time making less than 25 thousand. Who wouldn't be?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Parasitism. You mean the shameless exploitation of workers by capitalists?

Excuse me ding dong

As you very well know , if you dont want to be "exploited" (wink, wink) by a capitalist, you can stay home and let the welfare state politicians take care of your ass.

Taxpayers/producers on the other hand cann not escape from the Internal Robbery Squad.

.

.

Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


.

Wow, you sure are a know-it-all (in your own mind) and I suspect your learning is a product of AM Radio philosophers; at least my profs at CAL had a PhD.

But, maybe I judge you too harshly; in a city which has zoning laws (all do) and prevents a business from operating an open air market fish market in a residential neighborhood, zoned for residential families, is it a fascist government preventing a business person's freedom? Is that what you truly believe?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's the Exit Strategy for the "War on Poverty"? We've been at it for 70 years

 

[Bfgrn]

Parasitism. You mean the shameless exploitation of workers by capitalists?

Excuse me ding dong

As you very well know , if you dont want to be "exploited" (wink, wink) by a capitalist, you can stay home and let the welfare state politicians take care of your ass.

Taxpayers/producers on the other hand cann not escape from the Internal Robbery Squad.

.

.

Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


.

Government regulation of business is called democracy and a civil society. Fascism is what the right WANTS...

- Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism -

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. 6. Controlled Mass Media Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Dr. Lawrence Britt

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Contumacious]

Excuse me ding dong

As you very well know , if you dont want to be "exploited" (wink, wink) by a capitalist, you can stay home and let the welfare state politicians take care of your ass.

Taxpayers/producers on the other hand cann not escape from the Internal Robbery Squad.

.

.

Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


.

Wow, you sure are a know-it-all (in your own mind) and I suspect your learning is a product of AM Radio philosophers; at least my profs at CAL had a PhD.

But, maybe I judge you too harshly; in a city which has zoning laws (all do) and prevents a business from operating an open air market fish market in a residential neighborhood, zoned for residential families, is it a fascist government preventing a business person's freedom? Is that what you truly believe?

The government should not be in the business of adopting and enforcing zoning laws.

Free people should prevent a fish market from operating in a residential neighborhood through DEED RESTRICTIONS.

.

 

[Contumacious]

Excuse me ding dong

As you very well know , if you dont want to be "exploited" (wink, wink) by a capitalist, you can stay home and let the welfare state politicians take care of your ass.

Taxpayers/producers on the other hand cann not escape from the Internal Robbery Squad.

.

.

Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


.

Government regulation of business is called democracy and a civil society. Fascism is what the right WANTS...

- Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism -

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. 6. Controlled Mass Media Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Dr. Lawrence Britt

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Listen dick head, government regulation is fascism -


...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone...."


We are NOT supposed to have a democracy - we are supposed to have a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC where our rights to life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness are guaranteed by the document.


Unfortunately , the SCOTUS has been populated by state supremacists since day one. So they have no idea what the Ninth Amendment means - either that or they are not going to allow the NINTH AMENDMENT to interfere with their quest to create a police state.


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[Wry Catcher]

Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


.

Wow, you sure are a know-it-all (in your own mind) and I suspect your learning is a product of AM Radio philosophers; at least my profs at CAL had a PhD.

But, maybe I judge you too harshly; in a city which has zoning laws (all do) and prevents a business from operating an open air market fish market in a residential neighborhood, zoned for residential families, is it a fascist government preventing a business person's freedom? Is that what you truly believe?

The government should not be in the business of adopting and enforcing zoning laws.

Free people should prevent a fish market from operating in a residential neighborhood through DEED RESTRICTIONS.

.

LOL, you really have Over Dosed on Kool-Ade.

 

[Bfgrn]

Or, you can do it the democratic way. You can let the government of the People decide that capitalists will be limited in their ability to abuse their employees.

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


.

Wow, you sure are a know-it-all (in your own mind) and I suspect your learning is a product of AM Radio philosophers; at least my profs at CAL had a PhD.

But, maybe I judge you too harshly; in a city which has zoning laws (all do) and prevents a business from operating an open air market fish market in a residential neighborhood, zoned for residential families, is it a fascist government preventing a business person's freedom? Is that what you truly believe?

The government should not be in the business of adopting and enforcing zoning laws.

Free people should prevent a fish market from operating in a residential neighborhood through DEED RESTRICTIONS.

.

Zoning laws are LOCAL government regulations. Their intent is to protect property rights and values. You are a MORON.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It was not lost if the counterfactual is that things would be much worse without it.

I asked, would the poor in American have been better off since 1965 if there had never been Medicaid, which happens to be the cornerstone of the war on poverty programs.

Prove they'd have been better off for the last 50 years. Prove they'd be better off NOW if Medicaid was ended.

Prove all of that and you'll be on your way to proving the war on poverty has been a failure;

on the other hand, if you can't prove any of that, your assertion is a failure.

$22 trillion of money stripped from the taxpayers, with no resultant diminution in the original problem...

What sort of imbecile would deny that that is failure and/or corruption of the worst kind....?

Raise your paw.

You've never been able to articulate a plan that would have worked better.

How would you have assisted low income Americans who needed healthcare for the last 50 years and got it from Medicaid?

"You've never been able to articulate a plan that would have worked better."

My plan was to show that the war on poverty was lost....mission accomplished.

Now, as far as you giving up, trying to change the subject...

You remind me of nothing so much as Confederate General Wise, chased by Union General Cox, referring to his retreat a 'retrograde movement' of his troops.


Pretty funny, your retrograde movement.

I proved your premise was unsupported.

The war on poverty can as easily have kept things from being much worse,

which would make it a victory. You have offered nothing to refute that claim. Thus, my opinion carries just as much merit as yours.

While you've proven how stupid and dishonest you are, said proof was excessive and redundant.

Once I reduced you to petty off topic insults, the debate was over, and I won.

 

[Dan Daly]

Government regulation of business is called democracy

You might want to look up the definition of Democracy, sunshine.

 

[Contumacious]

A government of the people.........hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so Capitalists and free marketeers are not people? Only the parasites/socialists are people?

I f you don't like being abuse then you can live in abject poverty, learn a marketable skill and negotiate a good labor contract, and/or become a Capitalist.

.

"A Marketable skill" Define what you mean by this.

Any skill which a putative employer is willing to pay for and which will allow you to obtain what you consider a fair employment contract.

You and others like you can pretend those of us who believe government must regulate business and industry are commies, Marxists and socialists because that's what you've been told;

Government REGULATION of businesses is called fascism.


The outright ownership of a business by the government is called socialism/communism.


That is the way it is regardless of what you were told by the government "teacher".


.

Wow, you sure are a know-it-all (in your own mind) and I suspect your learning is a product of AM Radio philosophers; at least my profs at CAL had a PhD.

But, maybe I judge you too harshly; in a city which has zoning laws (all do) and prevents a business from operating an open air market fish market in a residential neighborhood, zoned for residential families, is it a fascist government preventing a business person's freedom? Is that what you truly believe?

The government should not be in the business of adopting and enforcing zoning laws.

Free people should prevent a fish market from operating in a residential neighborhood through DEED RESTRICTIONS.

.

LOL, you really have Over Dosed on Kool-Ade.

LOL. you really have overdosed on Ritalin.

.

 

[PoliticalChic]

$22 trillion of money stripped from the taxpayers, with no resultant diminution in the original problem...

What sort of imbecile would deny that that is failure and/or corruption of the worst kind....?

Raise your paw.

You've never been able to articulate a plan that would have worked better.

How would you have assisted low income Americans who needed healthcare for the last 50 years and got it from Medicaid?

"You've never been able to articulate a plan that would have worked better."

My plan was to show that the war on poverty was lost....mission accomplished.

Now, as far as you giving up, trying to change the subject...

You remind me of nothing so much as Confederate General Wise, chased by Union General Cox, referring to his retreat a 'retrograde movement' of his troops.


Pretty funny, your retrograde movement.

I proved your premise was unsupported.

The war on poverty can as easily have kept things from being much worse,

which would make it a victory. You have offered nothing to refute that claim. Thus, my opinion carries just as much merit as yours.

While you've proven how stupid and dishonest you are, said proof was excessive and redundant.

Once I reduced you to petty off topic insults, the debate was over, and I won.

Once you are as rabidly insane as you clearly are, you owe it to the rest of the population to self-isolate.

 

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You've never been able to articulate a plan that would have worked better.

How would you have assisted low income Americans who needed healthcare for the last 50 years and got it from Medicaid?

"You've never been able to articulate a plan that would have worked better."

My plan was to show that the war on poverty was lost....mission accomplished.

Now, as far as you giving up, trying to change the subject...

You remind me of nothing so much as Confederate General Wise, chased by Union General Cox, referring to his retreat a 'retrograde movement' of his troops.


Pretty funny, your retrograde movement.

I proved your premise was unsupported.

The war on poverty can as easily have kept things from being much worse,

which would make it a victory. You have offered nothing to refute that claim. Thus, my opinion carries just as much merit as yours.

While you've proven how stupid and dishonest you are, said proof was excessive and redundant.

Once I reduced you to petty off topic insults, the debate was over, and I won.

Once you are as rabidly insane as you clearly are, you owe it to the rest of the population to self-isolate.

Keep flailing with off topic insults, for all to see. They only make me look better.