The "Virtuous" New Nazis.

[gtopa1]

So you think Hamas would spare them?

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.

WRONG they were part of the democratically elected governeent until they decided to take over as dictators. They have refused to allow the people the right to vote and try to blame it on the Jews

The Hamas party won the democratic election ten years ago, since when Gaza has been under siege by the Israelis..
You are rewriting history.

WRONG in August 2005 Israel withdrew from gaza and have not had any control over it since. The blockade is legal and it is hamas that is putting gaza under siege by closing the border crossing on the gaza side. Any idiot that can use a search engine can find out the truth at any time.

The Israelis have not withdrawn from Gaza. "The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory (the West Bank including East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip) is in its fifth decade and the undercurrent of violence and inherent abuses of fundamental human rights and disregard for international law inherent in any long-standing military occupation is presented by both sides." (Amnesty International)
Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories

Unprecedented death and destruction?? To the Gaza strip?? Do they forget the attacks on Israel over the decades by the Soviet and Jew hating proxies? Of course it was a tragedy that Hamas embedded itself in the civilian population. Many innocents died because of their battle plan.

Greg

 

[Eloy]

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Then why do they trot it out every month or so as a reason/excuse for attacking the Jews. The leaders of hamas call for the destruction of Israel every day, and they even put it in a letter to the UN that the UN should have replied to with threats of multinational violence

The Palestinians have a right to defend themselves as best they can from a brutal Israeli occupation.

You do realise that gaza is not occupied dont you, and that firing illegal rockets into Israel is a war crime and not defence. So want to find where in the Geneva conventions it says targetting children is allowed as a defencive move ?

By the way under International laws it is the arab muslims that occupy Israel, and it is time the UN forced them to leave

By blockading Gaza, controlling its air space and territorial waters, and periodically massacring its citizens, Gaza is effectively occupied territory.

Not according to international law, and that is what counts. Not your JEW HATRED and NAZISM.

If hamas stopped firing illegal weapons into Israel from civilian areas then its civilians would not be killed

International law requires Israel to get out of Palestine.

 

[Eloy]

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.

WRONG they were part of the democratically elected governeent until they decided to take over as dictators. They have refused to allow the people the right to vote and try to blame it on the Jews

The Hamas party won the democratic election ten years ago, since when Gaza has been under siege by the Israelis..
You are rewriting history.

WRONG in August 2005 Israel withdrew from gaza and have not had any control over it since. The blockade is legal and it is hamas that is putting gaza under siege by closing the border crossing on the gaza side. Any idiot that can use a search engine can find out the truth at any time.

The Israelis have not withdrawn from Gaza. "The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory (the West Bank including East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip) is in its fifth decade and the undercurrent of violence and inherent abuses of fundamental human rights and disregard for international law inherent in any long-standing military occupation is presented by both sides." (Amnesty International)
Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories

So says the anti semitic left wing AI, that has been proven to tell lies about the Jews and Israel.


International law saws that gaza is not occupied as Israel does not have military control over any part of it. Try reading the real links that tell it as it is, and not as you want to see it

"Gaza is definitely still occupied, and Israel is still the belligerent occupying force, and they have no right to enforce this illegal, inhuman collective punishment. It is entirely against the Geneva Convention."
Does Israel actually occupy the Gaza Strip?

 

[gtopa1]

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Link please!!!

Greg

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Not as of 2014.



You have something more recent??

Greg

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

Only one problem the land was never arab muslims from 1099 when they were evicted. The Ottomans never handed sovereignty to the arab muslims and the LoN gave them 78% of palestine to play with. This left the Jews with the poorest of land and desert to make into their National Home, and because they did in the face of constant attacks from islamonazi's proves they are there to stay.

By the way if you were to act as the islamonazi scum then you would be wiped out by your own government with the blessings of the world. How do you like them apples ?

You are mistaken. It is the people who are born in a land who own it as a birthright. Palestinians who were born in Palestine have a more legitimate right to the land than Ottomans or Russian Jews for that matter.

Once a person is a CITIZEN of a nation they are 100% legitimate shareholders in that Nation. Doesn't matter if its Jews or East Timorese. They are CITIZENS. It has ZERO to do with blood; everything to do with Citizenship.

Greg

 

[Eloy]

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Link please!!!

Greg

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Not as of 2014.



You have something more recent??

Greg

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

Only one problem the land was never arab muslims from 1099 when they were evicted. The Ottomans never handed sovereignty to the arab muslims and the LoN gave them 78% of palestine to play with. This left the Jews with the poorest of land and desert to make into their National Home, and because they did in the face of constant attacks from islamonazi's proves they are there to stay.

By the way if you were to act as the islamonazi scum then you would be wiped out by your own government with the blessings of the world. How do you like them apples ?

You are mistaken. It is the people who are born in a land who own it as a birthright. Palestinians who were born in Palestine have a more legitimate right to the land than Ottomans or Russian Jews for that matter.

Once a person is a CITIZEN of a nation they are 100% legitimate shareholders in that Nation. Doesn't matter if its Jews or East Timorese. They are CITIZENS. It has ZERO to do with blood; everything to do with Citizenship.

Greg

The Israelis give citizenship to Jews from Queens, New York, and permits them to be settlers on Palestinian occupied land. This is a violation of international law and basic justice.

 

[gtopa1]

There's a strain of pernicious anti semitism running through European 'intellectual' thought, not particularly influenced by Islam.

.....and as we can see from Eloy, here, that includes those who are not the least bit intellectual as well.

The different strains of antisemitism matter less to me than the hatred, though. The particulars of the various themes utilized to single out Jews may differ between the orthodox Neo Marxists, the Islamists and the soccer hooligan type Nazis, but they all merge together. They all agree that Jews are a singularly pernicious people, sneaky and conniving in behavior, not to be trusted, unduly influential, manipulative and powerful. That these themes now coalesce around the collective Jew as represented by a tiny nation state doesn't really change the nature of the age-old hatred one bit.

I do agree about the pernicious nature of European antisemitism, however, and what makes it especially pernicious is that these idiots actually do see their singling out of Jews as a virtue. Take Coyote, here, who sees herself as a great champion fighting for social justice -- so much so that she has turned it into a full-time preoccupation. Her entire personality is immersed in this great.......well, I would call it a crusade were it not for the fact it is more of an anti-Crusade, and hers is a case of the true believer every bit as rigid and absolute as the most ardent bible-thumping fundamentalist. Multiply one Coyote by tens upon tens of millions, and the true extent of this hatred is revealed.

Antisemitism has passed like a virus from one leftist to the next over the last 50 years or so, and is now so pervasive that a person is automatically assailed if they AREN'T antisemitic. It has become the badge worn proudly by leftists and is now a litmus test used to determine who gets to be included in the club and who doesn't.

The thing with antisemitism is that when boiled down, it's nothing more than hate - hate, which when it riles up a people enough, can kill. It's a hatred perpetrated against a group solely because of who they are perceived to be - not who they are. That hatred is fed by easily believed canards and conspiracy theories, complexities boiled down into black and white simplicities and, no matter how often they are debunked they continue to resurface in times of social, political or economic stress. Right now - in a time when nations are unraveling, national identities are in crisis, and economies are shakey - it's growing: fed and watered by a rhetoric designed to appease the nervous masses and promote a false sense of security.

Whether that rhetoric is directed at Jews, a minority historically persecuted by the great religious majorities, or at Muslims, collectively blamed for the actions of the religion's extremists - it is the same. It's designed to promote hatred, fear and intolerance. To divide a nation along ethnic, racial and religious lines - lines that make it clear one group, no matter what it does, can not belong as long as it shows any visible of it's identity.

There is no difference between what you spew and what you criticize antisemites for. It's all hate (albeit wrapped in a patriotic package), directed at people, because of their identity. That is your proud badge beneath your self-righteous words.

When you signed up with the Muslim Brotherhood to represent them online, did they have you take a class in this sort of turnspeak agitprop or something?

That's a bit harsh, Mutty. You must recall that Coyote has already said that anti-semitism is hatred. Now recall that MOST of the hatred spent on muslims is by other muslims. ISIS murders more Muslims than westerners or Jews. Now they may ASPIRE to rid the world of every non-muzzy but they're killing mostly what we would call their own. It's a cross between the Shiite/Sunni animosity and Stalinist play book. Seen it all before in SE Asia where the rallying call was "Nationalism"; ie, Communist expansionism and subversion where it was all about eradicating opposition. Worked a treat there. MILLIONS of dead Asians...how quickly we forget. Now let's be fair; HATRED is the killing machine's fuel. Coyote is quite correct on that point.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Link please!!!

Greg

Not as of 2014.



You have something more recent??

Greg

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

Only one problem the land was never arab muslims from 1099 when they were evicted. The Ottomans never handed sovereignty to the arab muslims and the LoN gave them 78% of palestine to play with. This left the Jews with the poorest of land and desert to make into their National Home, and because they did in the face of constant attacks from islamonazi's proves they are there to stay.

By the way if you were to act as the islamonazi scum then you would be wiped out by your own government with the blessings of the world. How do you like them apples ?

You are mistaken. It is the people who are born in a land who own it as a birthright. Palestinians who were born in Palestine have a more legitimate right to the land than Ottomans or Russian Jews for that matter.

Once a person is a CITIZEN of a nation they are 100% legitimate shareholders in that Nation. Doesn't matter if its Jews or East Timorese. They are CITIZENS. It has ZERO to do with blood; everything to do with Citizenship.

Greg

The Israelis give citizenship to Jews from Queens, New York, and permits them to be settlers on Palestinian occupied land. This is a violation of international law and basic justice.

Rubbish. They are a sovereign nation and can give Citizenship to whoever they like. My father was made a Citizen of THIS country with the appropriate residency etc. The lands on which they settle are indeed disputed but it is LEGAL wrt Israeli Law. If you don't agree then that's what the courts are for; not a suicide vest!!

Greg

 

[Eloy]

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

Only one problem the land was never arab muslims from 1099 when they were evicted. The Ottomans never handed sovereignty to the arab muslims and the LoN gave them 78% of palestine to play with. This left the Jews with the poorest of land and desert to make into their National Home, and because they did in the face of constant attacks from islamonazi's proves they are there to stay.

By the way if you were to act as the islamonazi scum then you would be wiped out by your own government with the blessings of the world. How do you like them apples ?

You are mistaken. It is the people who are born in a land who own it as a birthright. Palestinians who were born in Palestine have a more legitimate right to the land than Ottomans or Russian Jews for that matter.

Once a person is a CITIZEN of a nation they are 100% legitimate shareholders in that Nation. Doesn't matter if its Jews or East Timorese. They are CITIZENS. It has ZERO to do with blood; everything to do with Citizenship.

Greg

The Israelis give citizenship to Jews from Queens, New York, and permits them to be settlers on Palestinian occupied land. This is a violation of international law and basic justice.

Rubbish. They are a sovereign nation and can give Citizenship to whoever they like. My father was made a Citizen of THIS country with the appropriate residency etc. The lands on which they settle are indeed disputed but it is LEGAL wrt Israeli Law. If you don't agree then that's what the courts are for; not a suicide vest!!

Greg

The Occupied Palestinian Territories are not disputed in international law or by any country in the world except Israel.

 

[gtopa1]

In Europe, most anti Semites come from the Left, including all those that pretend they are simply anti zionists.

How do you explain Lucy and her supporters? They are certainly not from the left. Nor are you.

No need to. You're lying!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Only one problem the land was never arab muslims from 1099 when they were evicted. The Ottomans never handed sovereignty to the arab muslims and the LoN gave them 78% of palestine to play with. This left the Jews with the poorest of land and desert to make into their National Home, and because they did in the face of constant attacks from islamonazi's proves they are there to stay.

By the way if you were to act as the islamonazi scum then you would be wiped out by your own government with the blessings of the world. How do you like them apples ?

You are mistaken. It is the people who are born in a land who own it as a birthright. Palestinians who were born in Palestine have a more legitimate right to the land than Ottomans or Russian Jews for that matter.

Once a person is a CITIZEN of a nation they are 100% legitimate shareholders in that Nation. Doesn't matter if its Jews or East Timorese. They are CITIZENS. It has ZERO to do with blood; everything to do with Citizenship.

Greg

The Israelis give citizenship to Jews from Queens, New York, and permits them to be settlers on Palestinian occupied land. This is a violation of international law and basic justice.

Rubbish. They are a sovereign nation and can give Citizenship to whoever they like. My father was made a Citizen of THIS country with the appropriate residency etc. The lands on which they settle are indeed disputed but it is LEGAL wrt Israeli Law. If you don't agree then that's what the courts are for; not a suicide vest!!

Greg

The Occupied Palestinian Territories are not disputed in international law or by any country in the world except Israel.

In a sense you are correct. Israel is the ONLY Nation that is in the matter. Palestine is NOT a Country so cannot lay claim to anything. Good get!!

Greg

 

[Ravi]

In Europe, most anti Semites come from the Left, including all those that pretend they are simply anti zionists.

How do you explain Lucy and her supporters? They are certainly not from the left. Nor are you.

No need to. You're lying!!

Greg

How so?

 

[gtopa1]

Speaking of cosmetics.

Tilley Soaps Australia

I'm sure they're quite good but I use Solvol and Sunlight . (OK: I'm partial to Pierre Cardin and Lagerfeld but only for special occasions like funerals, weddings and Anniversaries.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

In Europe, most anti Semites come from the Left, including all those that pretend they are simply anti zionists.

How do you explain Lucy and her supporters? They are certainly not from the left. Nor are you.

No need to. You're lying!!

Greg

How so?

You typed!!!

Greg

 

[Drummond]

You're nitpicking somewhat.

I only posted a selection of examples of the Left's antisemitism. I could have posted more. An example of Corbyn and his friendliness with Israel's enemies, for example ?

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

As for Livingstone, well, if he was so 'right', how come he was villified for his 'Hitler' view ? How come his employment as an LBC pundit was abruptly terminated after he expressed that comment ? How come EVEN his OWN PARTY dropped him, because he'd become too much of an embarrassment to them ?

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Link please!!!

Greg

You're nitpicking somewhat.

I only posted a selection of examples of the Left's antisemitism. I could have posted more. An example of Corbyn and his friendliness with Israel's enemies, for example ?

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

As for Livingstone, well, if he was so 'right', how come he was villified for his 'Hitler' view ? How come his employment as an LBC pundit was abruptly terminated after he expressed that comment ? How come EVEN his OWN PARTY dropped him, because he'd become too much of an embarrassment to them ?

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Not as of 2014.



You have something more recent??

Greg

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

A couple of points.

One ... Hamas is a terrorist group, existing to attack Israel. It regards Israel as its mortal enemy. It commits terrorist attack after terrorist attack against Israeli territory, not caring how many civilians it may kill in making those attacks.

It has, as its foundling Charter states, a commitment to seeing Israel destroyed (.. and I've yet to see evidence that this was ever revoked, because, of course, IT HASN'T BEEN).

The State of Israel is internationally recognised as legitimate, and as such, it has every imaginable moral and legal right to defend itself from terrorist attacks. This it does.

Two ... considering the first point ... what's the way of things, when Hamas and Israel clash militarily ? Simple. Hamas attacks first. The extent of reaction varies ... but, it is ALWAYS A REACTION. What Hamas brings upon itself, it earns through its initial and unprompted attacks upon Israel. Hamas attacks, Israel responds.

Now, you may not like the extent of that response. But, they ARE JUST THAT.

Were Hamas to renounce violence, were they to give up on all attempts to be killers of Israelis, sending suicide bombers on to the streets of Tel Aviv, or, if they stopped firing hundreds of rockets into Israel as a disgusting provocation .. then, Israel would not respond. There'd be nothing to respond to !

But Hamas will never give up on its terrorism, because terrorists is WHAT THEY ARE. I daresay they could no more give up their bloodlust than they could give up on breathing.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Link please!!!

Greg

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Not as of 2014.



You have something more recent??

Greg

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

A couple of points.

One ... Hamas is a terrorist group, existing to attack Israel. It regards Israel as its mortal enemy. It commits terrorist attack after terrorist attack against Israeli territory, not caring how many civilians it may kill in making those attacks.

It has, as its foundling Charter states, a commitment to seeing Israel destroyed (.. and I've yet to see evidence that this was ever revoked, because, of course, IT HASN'T BEEN).

The State of Israel is internationally recognised as legitimate, and as such, it has every imaginable moral and legal right to defend itself from terrorist attacks. This it does.

Two ... considering the first point ... what's the way of things, when Hamas and Israel clash militarily ? Simple. Hamas attacks first. The extent of reaction varies ... but, it is ALWAYS A REACTION. What Hamas brings upon itself, it earns through its initial and unprompted attacks upon Israel. Hamas attacks, Israel responds.

Now, you may not like the extent of that response. But, they ARE JUST THAT.

Were Hamas to renounce violence, were they to give up on all attempts to be killers of Israelis, sending suicide bombers on to the streets of Tel Aviv, or, if they stopped firing hundreds of rockets into Israel as a disgusting provocation .. then, Israel would not respond. There'd be nothing to respond to !

But Hamas will never give up on its terrorism, because terrorists is WHAT THEY ARE. I daresay they could no more give up their bloodlust than they could give up on breathing.

They promise genocide of Jews in their very charter.



.....which makes them very popular, indeed, among the Eloys of the world.


Since the terrorism against Jews started nearly 100 years ago, well before there was an Israel, it's awfully stupid to claim that it is a response to Israeli actions. Of course, that does not stop very stupid people from repeating all the jargon they have learned from terrorists.

Let's face it -- the killing of Jews provides much of the basis for the Palestinian economy. They kill some Jews, Israel retaliates, the world eats up all the "poor me" type propaganda and rewards them by making them the single largest beneficiary of world aid around.

It's little wonder there is so much Islamic terrorism in the world today. The world has been rewarding them for it.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Tilley Soaps Australia



Greg

I just wanted to go on record here by way of saying that Tilly can soap me any time.

 

[Coyote]

Then why do they trot it out every month or so as a reason/excuse for attacking the Jews. The leaders of hamas call for the destruction of Israel every day, and they even put it in a letter to the UN that the UN should have replied to with threats of multinational violence

The Palestinians have a right to defend themselves as best they can from a brutal Israeli occupation.

You do realise that gaza is not occupied dont you, and that firing illegal rockets into Israel is a war crime and not defence. So want to find where in the Geneva conventions it says targetting children is allowed as a defencive move ?

By the way under International laws it is the arab muslims that occupy Israel, and it is time the UN forced them to leave

By blockading Gaza, controlling its air space and territorial waters, and periodically massacring its citizens, Gaza is effectively occupied territory.

Not according to international law, and that is what counts. Not your JEW HATRED and NAZISM.

If hamas stopped firing illegal weapons into Israel from civilian areas then its civilians would not be killed

International law requires Israel to get out of Palestine.

It's not that clear-cut.

 

[Coyote]

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

Only one problem the land was never arab muslims from 1099 when they were evicted. The Ottomans never handed sovereignty to the arab muslims and the LoN gave them 78% of palestine to play with. This left the Jews with the poorest of land and desert to make into their National Home, and because they did in the face of constant attacks from islamonazi's proves they are there to stay.

By the way if you were to act as the islamonazi scum then you would be wiped out by your own government with the blessings of the world. How do you like them apples ?

You are mistaken. It is the people who are born in a land who own it as a birthright. Palestinians who were born in Palestine have a more legitimate right to the land than Ottomans or Russian Jews for that matter.

Once a person is a CITIZEN of a nation they are 100% legitimate shareholders in that Nation. Doesn't matter if its Jews or East Timorese. They are CITIZENS. It has ZERO to do with blood; everything to do with Citizenship.

Greg

The Israelis give citizenship to Jews from Queens, New York, and permits them to be settlers on Palestinian occupied land. This is a violation of international law and basic justice.

Rubbish. They are a sovereign nation and can give Citizenship to whoever they like. My father was made a Citizen of THIS country with the appropriate residency etc. The lands on which they settle are indeed disputed but it is LEGAL wrt Israeli Law. If you don't agree then that's what the courts are for; not a suicide vest!!

Greg

Exactly, though personally, I feel Israel's citizenship laws are unjust in certain ways - it's up to the nation to determine who is and is not a citizen. Israel was founded on the principle that ALL Jews would find a homeland there. It's their right as a nation. And courts are the appropriate avenue along with civil disobedience and other forms of peaceful protest. Not violence.

 

[Coyote]

Tilley Soaps Australia



Greg

I just wanted to go on record here by way of saying that Tilly can soap me any time.

You and Tilly need a room, you're up each other's butts in public enough as it is.

 

[Coyote]

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Link please!!!

Greg

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Not as of 2014.



You have something more recent??

Greg

I do know one thing; were a country's military occupying my land for half a century, massacring thousands in defiance of all international, sniping at children, destroying our infrastructure, hospitals, water treatment plants, schools, factories, bulldozing our homes with JCBs, arresting our children and keeping them for interrogation without legal counsel or family present, preventing pregnant women from attending maternity clinics, humiliating my people at checkpoints in our own homeland, ... well, I would want that enemy destroyed, wouldn't you?

A couple of points.

One ... Hamas is a terrorist group, existing to attack Israel. It regards Israel as its mortal enemy. It commits terrorist attack after terrorist attack against Israeli territory, not caring how many civilians it may kill in making those attacks.

It has, as its foundling Charter states, a commitment to seeing Israel destroyed (.. and I've yet to see evidence that this was ever revoked, because, of course, IT HASN'T BEEN).

The State of Israel is internationally recognised as legitimate, and as such, it has every imaginable moral and legal right to defend itself from terrorist attacks. This it does.

Two ... considering the first point ... what's the way of things, when Hamas and Israel clash militarily ? Simple. Hamas attacks first. The extent of reaction varies ... but, it is ALWAYS A REACTION. What Hamas brings upon itself, it earns through its initial and unprompted attacks upon Israel. Hamas attacks, Israel responds.

Now, you may not like the extent of that response. But, they ARE JUST THAT.

Were Hamas to renounce violence, were they to give up on all attempts to be killers of Israelis, sending suicide bombers on to the streets of Tel Aviv, or, if they stopped firing hundreds of rockets into Israel as a disgusting provocation .. then, Israel would not respond. There'd be nothing to respond to !

But Hamas will never give up on its terrorism, because terrorists is WHAT THEY ARE. I daresay they could no more give up their bloodlust than they could give up on breathing.

They promise genocide of Jews in their very charter.



.....which makes them very popular, indeed, among the Eloys of the world.


Since the terrorism against Jews started nearly 100 years ago, well before there was an Israel, it's awfully stupid to claim that it is a response to Israeli actions. Of course, that does not stop very stupid people from repeating all the jargon they have learned from terrorists.

Let's face it -- the killing of Jews provides much of the basis for the Palestinian economy. They kill some Jews, Israel retaliates, the world eats up all the "poor me" type propaganda and rewards them by making them the single largest beneficiary of world aid around.

It's little wonder there is so much Islamic terrorism in the world today. The world has been rewarding them for it.

Where has Eloy supported genocide? Or is this something you're making up as usual?