The VA "scandal" in context

[PaintMyHouse]

Funny how liberals only defense of Obama is pointing to others having done it too.

The VA is better under Obama than it was under Bush, yet it sucks. This isn't rocket science folks.

Really? How is it better?

To ask the question means you either haven't been paying attention, or you're a partisan hack? Which is it?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"The WRONG Direction for Funding the Needs of America’s Veterans
Republicans’ proposed cuts will affect delivery of health care and timely benefits at the VA

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — On Monday, February 14, House Republicans introduced a Continuing Resolution (H.R. 1) to fund the federal government for the last seven months of the fiscal year while cutting $61 billion in current year spending. The bill proposes to cut $2.6 billion in funding provided to care for America’s veterans. Leaders of VA’s largest union, the American Federation of Government Employees, stated that the reductions threaten the health care and benefits delivery services provided by VA employees."
VA?s Union, AFGE, Speaks Out Against VA Funding Cuts | Veterans Today

 

[Freewill]

I disagree and so do the reports. The VA is underfunded. That is the root of all of its issues.

Complete bullshit. Links or it's a lie. Plain and simple.

I just started linking, and get some common sense.

that is just not true, you have been shown that funding has increased each year at record rate, at least according to statistics and Obama. You must know more then he does, everyone else seems to.

 

[S.J.]

The VA is better under Obama than it was under Bush, yet it sucks. This isn't rocket science folks.

Really? How is it better?

To ask the question means you either haven't been paying attention, or you're a partisan hack? Which is it?

You made the statement, back it up.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Funny how liberals only defense of Obama is pointing to others having done it too.

you are a retard...go away before you hurt yourself trying to think beyond a 1st grade level.
I dont want to see a hospital burdened with having to treat you, when they could be saving someone who's worth saving.

context matters and this problem has been on going for a long, long time.

So why doesn't this president do something about it, retard?

He's trying to, but the funding has to come from Congress, and the GOP isn't going to do anything that may result in making PBO look good.

Lots of Republicans say they support the troops, but this is yet another example of Congress and the rabid right using political rhetoric to block yet something else Obama would like to fix.

 

[jillian]

Funny how liberals only defense of Obama is pointing to others having done it too.

perhaps we're just pointing out that faux raging rightwingnuts didn't care when baby bush broke walter reed hospital.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

VA Medical System in Shambles, Veterans Groups Say

By Joseph Abrams
Published June 24, 2009
FoxNews.com

"Amid growing controversy over procedures that exposed 10,000 veterans to the AIDS and hepatitis viruses, the Department of Veterans Affairs is now bracing against news that one of its facilities in Pennsylvania gave botched radiation treatments to nearly 100 cancer patients.

Veterans groups and lawmakers say VA hospitals have permitted these violations because federal regulations allow doctors to work with little outside scrutiny. They say the VA health system, with its under-funded hospitals and overworked doctors, is showing signs of an "institutional breakdown," in the words of one congressman."
VA Medical System in Shambles, Veterans Groups Say | Fox News

 

[Plasmaball]

Funny how liberals only defense of Obama is pointing to others having done it too.

you are a retard...go away before you hurt yourself trying to think beyond a 1st grade level.
I dont want to see a hospital burdened with having to treat you, when they could be saving someone who's worth saving.

context matters and this problem has been on going for a long, long time.

So why doesn't this president do something about it, retard?

im assuming he passed the buck onto Shinseki and went onto other things. The problem would most likely continue to go on even after Obama Leaves.

 

[Freewill]

Here is the problem for Obama he writes checks his mouth can't cash. Here is what he said in 2008:

Obama 2008: VA will be 'leader of health care reform'
Read more at Obama 2008: VA will be ?leader of health care reform?

Now, anyone with any common sense would think to themselves, hey I just got this big tax increase in the form of Obamacare shoved down the people's throat. I had better make it look good so the first thing I should do is make sure the government plans, Medicare, Medicaid and the VA are in order. Instead he apparently went golfing. He dropped the ball he decided to campaign on. He and the rest of the excusers have no one to blame but HIM.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Complete bullshit. Links or it's a lie. Plain and simple.

I just started linking, and get some common sense.

that is just not true, you have been shown that funding has increased each year at record rate, at least according to statistics and Obama. You must know more then he does, everyone else seems to.

You do remember those little wars we've been fighting right, like the longest one in our entire history? I don't care that the budget increased, it hasn't been enough for decades.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Funny how liberals only defense of Obama is pointing to others having done it too.

The VA is better under Obama than it was under Bush, yet it sucks. This isn't rocket science folks.

Really? How is it better?

Well...........for one thing, we don't have wounded vets receiving care in fucked up hospitals.

Anyone remember the Walter Reed fiasco under Jr.?

Here's the wiki article........................

Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here's a couple of news links about the scandal.......................

Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/30/booming/and-this-was-called-care-the-walter-reed-story.html?_r=0

 

[WelfareQueen]

The VA is better under Obama than it was under Bush, yet it sucks. This isn't rocket science folks.

Really? How is it better?

To ask the question means you either haven't been paying attention, or you're a partisan hack? Which is it?

No...it means you make shit up without any factual basis.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"Vet Groups Say VA Budget Underfunds Construction

Military.com Mar 05, 2014 | by Bryant Jordan

Veterans groups say the proposed 2015 Department of Veterans Affairs budget fails to address construction and maintenance needs at VA facilities across the country.

A statement issued on Tuesday jointly by authors of the Independent Budget -- a shadow VA budget developed by veterans groups based on what they believe the agency needs -- said proposed 2015 increases in health care and benefits services are appreciated.

"[But] we have concerns that the serious lack of commitment to infrastructure funding to support the system will undermine the VA's ability to deliver those services," the statement said. "Of great concern to the veterans groups is the serious underfunding of VA construction accounts."

Released early last month, the Independent Budget, authored by the Veterans of Foreign Wars, AMVETS, Disabled American Veterans and Paralyzed Veterans of America, said the VA manages and maintains more than 5,600 buildings and almost 34,000 acres of land with a facilities replacement value of approximately $45 billion.

While the VA has addressed a number of critical infrastructure gaps, more than 3,900 gaps remain that will cost between $54 and $66 billion to close, including $10 billion in activation costs, the group said.

The VA proposes to spend about $1.2 billion on construction projects next year, which is about $2.75 billion less than what the Independent Budget recommends.

Those same concerns are being voiced by The American Legion."
Vet Groups Say VA Budget Underfunds Construction | Military.com

 

[Plasmaball]

this isnt just a money issue. Take Medicare. A report a few years ago said we could save 100 billion if we reformed how we did billings or prescriptions since we double on those.

 

[S.J.]

you are a retard...go away before you hurt yourself trying to think beyond a 1st grade level.
I dont want to see a hospital burdened with having to treat you, when they could be saving someone who's worth saving.

context matters and this problem has been on going for a long, long time.

So why doesn't this president do something about it, retard?

He's trying to, but the funding has to come from Congress, and the GOP isn't going to do anything that may result in making PBO look good.

Lots of Republicans say they support the troops, but this is yet another example of Congress and the rabid right using political rhetoric to block yet something else Obama would like to fix.

Yeah, that's what we've been hearing for 6 years....."He's trying to, but.....". Maybe he should have used some of that money he's pissed away on failing solar energy companies or welfare for illegals.

 

[WelfareQueen]

I disagree and so do the reports. The VA is underfunded. That is the root of all of its issues.

Complete bullshit. Links or it's a lie. Plain and simple.

I just started linking, and get some common sense.

You make shit up. This board requires proof if you make outrageous claims. That's basically all you do. Plasmaball....Candycorn...there any many on the left here who provide facts. You...not so much.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Really? How is it better?

To ask the question means you either haven't been paying attention, or you're a partisan hack? Which is it?

No...it means you make shit up without any factual basis.

That is incorrect, you simply don't want to pay up. The VA should doubled by now, all their old crap should have been in the trash, and their old buildings torn down and replaced by modern ones but oh now, that would cost money so just like with the rest of the American infrastructure, you try to get by on the cheap.

 

[ABikerSailor]

So why doesn't this president do something about it, retard?

He's trying to, but the funding has to come from Congress, and the GOP isn't going to do anything that may result in making PBO look good.

Lots of Republicans say they support the troops, but this is yet another example of Congress and the rabid right using political rhetoric to block yet something else Obama would like to fix.

Yeah, that's what we've been hearing for 6 years....."He's trying to, but.....". Maybe he should have used some of that money he's pissed away on failing solar energy companies or welfare for illegals.

What about the 24 BILLION that the GOP cost the nation when they shut down the government?

The Costs of the Government Shutdown - ABC News

The 16-day government shutdown is over, but the country has taken at least a $24 billion hit along the way.

The financial ratings agency Standard & Poor’s said Wednesday the shutdown “to date has taken $24 billion out of the economy,” equaling $1.5 billion dollars a day and “shaved at least 0.6 percent off annualized fourth-quarter 2013 GDP growth.”

These estimates are for the overall economy, taking into account not just federal wages and productivity, but all the ripple effects and costs as well.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Complete bullshit. Links or it's a lie. Plain and simple.

I just started linking, and get some common sense.

You make shit up. This board requires proof if you make outrageous claims. That's basically all you do. Plasmaball....Candycorn...there any many on the left here who provide facts. You...not so much.

Keep reading little dipshit. Or don't you trust the opinions and findings of American Veterans?

And the one thing this board doesn't require is facts. It's a playground for partisan reactionary mental children, like you.

 

[WelfareQueen]

"Vet Groups Say VA Budget Underfunds Construction

Military.com Mar 05, 2014 | by Bryant Jordan

Veterans groups say the proposed 2015 Department of Veterans Affairs budget fails to address construction and maintenance needs at VA facilities across the country.

A statement issued on Tuesday jointly by authors of the Independent Budget -- a shadow VA budget developed by veterans groups based on what they believe the agency needs -- said proposed 2015 increases in health care and benefits services are appreciated.

"[But] we have concerns that the serious lack of commitment to infrastructure funding to support the system will undermine the VA's ability to deliver those services," the statement said. "Of great concern to the veterans groups is the serious underfunding of VA construction accounts."

Released early last month, the Independent Budget, authored by the Veterans of Foreign Wars, AMVETS, Disabled American Veterans and Paralyzed Veterans of America, said the VA manages and maintains more than 5,600 buildings and almost 34,000 acres of land with a facilities replacement value of approximately $45 billion.

While the VA has addressed a number of critical infrastructure gaps, more than 3,900 gaps remain that will cost between $54 and $66 billion to close, including $10 billion in activation costs, the group said.

The VA proposes to spend about $1.2 billion on construction projects next year, which is about $2.75 billion less than what the Independent Budget recommends.

Those same concerns are being voiced by The American Legion."
Vet Groups Say VA Budget Underfunds Construction | Military.com

Not relevant. The problems are with existing VA Hospitals. The care sucks. Building more facilities with shitty care solves nothing. There is a core quality of care issue at the VA.