The US could Save $5.6B a year if it Switched from Coal to Solar – study

[daveman]

a solar plant is basically a one time cost.

Don't forget the extra cost for the power plant you'll be using after the sun sets.
Or the trillions for battery backup.
You need multiple courses in finance and physics.

And replacing the cells after they degrade in 20 years. And the constant cleaning to keep them at peak.

"One-time cost" my ass.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I suggest you look at about TEN other threads I bumped up to refute Elektera and now.... You.
It (wind AND solar) are even cheaper in Texas, with a worried Governor trying to make new rules to protect O&G.
Oklahoma is app 40% renewable/wind.

Farmers and Ranches get paid annually per Turbine. The newest Cash Crop across he plains.
Bulletproof.
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Solar is the least efficient source of energy, PERIOD.
The data is everywhere. Look somewhere else other than welovetrees.com

 

[Crick]

Solar is the least efficient source of energy, PERIOD.

Efficient in what regard?

Several sources gave me installation costs ranging from 89 cents to $1.06 per kW depending on location and scale. When I asked Google the same question for fossil fuel plants, I got the following answer:

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The cost to install a utility-scale fossil fuel power plant varies by the type of fuel used, and can be estimated as follows:

• Coal
  The estimated cost of building a new coal plant is $3,500 per kW, not including financing costs.
  
  
  
• Natural gas
  In 2015, the average cost to construct a natural gas power plant was $812 per kW. However, the cost can vary depending on the technology used, with plants that have internal combustion engines costing more.
  
  
  
• Geothermal
  A geothermal power plant commissioned in 2022 can expect to have fixed costs of around $154 per kW installed per year.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But think of all the money they’re saving by not burning coal!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Efficient in what regard?

Several sources gave me installation costs ranging from 89 cents to $1.06 per kW depending on location and scale. When I asked Google the same question for fossil fuel plants, I got the following answer:

AI Overview
Learn more…Opens in new tab

The cost to install a utility-scale fossil fuel power plant varies by the type of fuel used, and can be estimated as follows:

• Coal
  The estimated cost of building a new coal plant is $3,500 per kW, not including financing costs.
  
  
  
• Natural gas
  In 2015, the average cost to construct a natural gas power plant was $812 per kW. However, the cost can vary depending on the technology used, with plants that have internal combustion engines costing more.
  
  
  
• Geothermal
  A geothermal power plant commissioned in 2022 can expect to have fixed costs of around $154 per kW installed per year.

You confused construction costs with operating costs

 

[abu afak]

You confused construction costs with operating costs

Someone tell FrusaderCrank CO2 is a 'Greenhouse Gas,' and to look the term up in the dictionary.
Or just Google and/or try any of the Hundreds of home/jar experiments even he could do.

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[CrusaderFrank]

Someone tell FrusaderCrank CO2 is a 'Greenhouse Gas,' and to look the term up in the dictionary.
Or just Google and/or try any of the Hundreds of home/jar experiments even he could do.

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Now I'm really confused! I thought you said CO2 was the culprit? Were you wrong?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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But think of all the money they’re saving by not burning coal!

Child labor releases less CO2.

 

[ding]

Someone tell FrusaderCrank CO2 is a 'Greenhouse Gas,' and to look the term up in the dictionary.
Or just Google and/or try any of the Hundreds of home/jar experiments even he could do.

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Maybe try to make responsive posts.

 

[abu afak]

Maybe try to make responsive posts.

My posts are responsive, yours never. They are mostly 5-6 at a time of no more than 5-10 words in 5-10 minutes... or an irrelevant graph. Oft over 100 burps a day. You can only write a paragraph in the Religion section. An OCD denier Priest. Stay out science you mum midget.
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[ding]

My posts are responsive, yours never. They are mostly 5-6 at a time of no more than 5-10 words in 5-10 minutes... or an irrelevant graph. Oft over 100 burps a day. You can only write a paragraph in the Religion section. An OCD denier Priest. Stay out science you mum midget.
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Your posts are incoherent. Do you like it when I make you my bitch?

 

[daveman]

Someone tell FrusaderCrank CO2 is a 'Greenhouse Gas,' and to look the term up in the dictionary.
Or just Google and/or try any of the Hundreds of home/jar experiments even he could do.

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Yeah, Bill Nye and Al Gore tried that experiment on their 24-hour Climate Fear-a-Thon. They had to fake the results because it didn't work.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[abu afak]

It now may be more than $5.6 Billion.

Cheapest source of Fossil Fuel Generation is Double the Cost of Utility-scale Solar​

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.
June 11, 2024

Lazard released its annual report analyzing levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), a critical measure of cost-efficiency of generation sources across technology types. The report found that onshore wind and utility-scale solar have the lowest LCOE by a large margin.

LCOE measures lifetime costs divided by energy production and calculates the present value of the total cost of building and operating a power plant over an assumed lifetime.

“Despite high end LCOE declines for selected renewable energy technologies, the low ends of our LCOE have increased for the first time ever, driven by the persistence of certain cost pressures (e.g., high interest rates, etc.),” said Lazard. “These two phenomena result in tighter LCOE ranges (offsetting the significant range expansion observed last year) and relatively stable LCOE averages year-over-year.”

Onshore wind ranked as the lowest source of new-build electricity generation, ranging from $27 to $73 per MWh. Utility-scale solar was a close second, ranging $29 to $92 per MWh.

Utility-scale solar has had the most aggressive cost reduction curve of all technologies, falling about 83% since 2009, when new build solar generation had an LCOE of over $350 per MWh.
[.......]

Cheapest source of fossil fuel generation is double the cost of utility-scale solar

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.

pv-magazine-usa.com

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[Toddsterpatriot]

It now may be more than $5.6 Billion.

Cheapest source of Fossil Fuel Generation is Double the Cost of Utility-scale Solar​

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.
June 11, 2024

Lazard released its annual report analyzing levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), a critical measure of cost-efficiency of generation sources across technology types. The report found that onshore wind and utility-scale solar have the lowest LCOE by a large margin.

LCOE measures lifetime costs divided by energy production and calculates the present value of the total cost of building and operating a power plant over an assumed lifetime.

“Despite high end LCOE declines for selected renewable energy technologies, the low ends of our LCOE have increased for the first time ever, driven by the persistence of certain cost pressures (e.g., high interest rates, etc.),” said Lazard. “These two phenomena result in tighter LCOE ranges (offsetting the significant range expansion observed last year) and relatively stable LCOE averages year-over-year.”

Onshore wind ranked as the lowest source of new-build electricity generation, ranging from $27 to $73 per MWh. Utility-scale solar was a close second, ranging $29 to $92 per MWh.

Utility-scale solar has had the most aggressive cost reduction curve of all technologies, falling about 83% since 2009, when new build solar generation had an LCOE of over $350 per MWh.
[.......]

Cheapest source of fossil fuel generation is double the cost of utility-scale solar

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.

pv-magazine-usa.com

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Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29

What's the solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) at midnight?

 

[Crick]

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29

What's the solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) at midnight?

The same.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The same.

Cool story.

Where do you source $29 solar electricity at midnight?

 

[HikerGuy83]

The US could save $5.6B a year if it switched from coal to solar – study​

Feb 7, 2022

Solar makes more financial sense than coal​

The authors of the peer-reviewed study from the University of Surrey in the UK point out that even if no other argument, such as fighting climate change, is accepted for the switch from fossil fuels to renewables, then economics should be reason enough to embrace clean energy....

Ravi Silva, director of the Advanced Technology Institute at the University of Surrey and co-author of the study, said:

Electrek’s Take​

Of course, solar needs to be balanced with other sources of clean energy, such as wind and hydro, and battery storage is an essential part of the mix to regulate supply and demand. But what’s overwhelmingly clear is that coal – and indeed, fossil fuels in general – are not only bad for the environment, they’re also a terrible financial choice. That’s the main thrust of this study..

The US could save $5.6B a year if it switched from coal to solar – study

Electricity sourced from solar is cheaper than sourcing it from coal-fired power plants on a global scale, according to a new study.

electrek.co

Look at the mag that published the so-called "study"

 

[Yarddog]

Working in a clean solar panel plant vs a Coal mine/or coal burning plant?
Is that a supposed to be a tough one?

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Out of sight out of mind right??
This is what it has taken to create solar panels. You want to see extracting from the earth? With the technology we have today, we can pump and refine oil here in the U.S. without devastating the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Or do you believe this information below is a Scare tactic by Trumpers?

Cobalt Mining in Congo: Environmental Health, Safety, & Human Rights — The Climate Club

Cobalt is a chemical element with a silver-white and bluish coloration, used to produce lithium-ion batteries that supply energy to electronic devices and vehicles. However, mining cobalt will not only ruin the environment, but also pose extreme environmental health risks to the people who work i

www.theclimateclub.co

Genocide in the DRC

Researchers, from Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health, have been investigating modern-day slavery. Scientists note that the mining industry in the DRC has ruined the land by cutting down millions of trees, negatively impacting air quality around mines, and contaminating water with toxic substances. Moreover, cobalt is toxic to touch and breathe, causing negative healthcare outcomes. Congolese people do not have alternatives to make a living. The mining industry has taken over, forcing people to live and work in these hazardous conditions.

maybe they can put up a chain link fence so AOC can cry next to it.

 

[Grumblenuts]

do you believe

solar panels are to blame for cobalt mining in the DRC? Very little. I believe:

Cobalt Statistics and Information | U.S. Geological Survey

Statistics and information on the worldwide supply of, demand for, and flow of the mineral commodity cobalt

www.usgs.gov