The upcoming Republican "Extreme - Moderate" Civil War

[rdean]

Republicans are missing the big picture.

Say they do win the Senate and the House. They will probably also win a majority of Governorships. And state legislator slots.

Look at how far right wing extreme Tea Baggers have been beating moderate Republican candidates. Can you imagine them working together?

Joe Miller
Sharon Angle
Rand Paul
and others

Some things they've proposed:

Shutting down the government
Ending Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid
Outlawing all abortion, even when raped
Ending unemployment benefits
Ending all corporate taxes
Deregulating Wall Street
Deregulating the EPA and OSHA even more

Can you imagine main stream Republicans working with these crackpots? What kind of legislation they most likely want to push?

At first, I was thinking about the disaster the Republicans brought for 8 years under Bush, but with real far right extremists actually IN congress, the entertainment possibilities are endless.

And as far as governors. For example, look at Carly (oh that hair is SO last year) Fiorina. As chief of Hewlett Packard, she fired 18 THOUSAND workers and moved those jobs to China. Everything she touched was a disaster. The day she was forced out, the companies stock went up 7%. Imagine the possibilities as Governor of California. Couldn't ya just die?

So some may see this as "disaster" for the Democratic Party and for the Country, but I think the situation may be "fraught" with humor.

I'm not going to post quotes from the extreme Tea Baggers. If people want to know, they will go look them up. The newly FAR right is so extreme, no one would believe me anyway.

I suspect the "war" isn't going to be between Democrats and Republicans, but between Republican moderates and the extreme far right. Can't wait. I almost want them to win.

 

[Sherry]

It sounds like you're resigning yourself to a take over, and getting a head start on how to spin it. Way to be proactive.

 

[rdean]

It sounds like you're resigning yourself to a take over, and getting a head start on how to spin it. Way to be proactive.

Moderate Republicans took over after Clinton and look at what we ended up with. Wars, depression, a ruined economy, a divided country. It's not like they could do worse.

 

[Trajan]

I'd actually like to respond, becasue its an interesting topic, but you have taken their positions at face value and totally devoid of context or explanation....your "Some things they've proposed" is extreme views of what they have said.

And your flip remark on Fiorina is inaccurate as to "everything she touched was a disaster"... no actually thats far from the truth, unless of course you want to pigeon hole it into your own meager viewpoint.

Pass.

 

[Sherry]

It sounds like you're resigning yourself to a take over, and getting a head start on how to spin it. Way to be proactive.

Moderate Republicans took over after Clinton and look at what we ended up with. Wars, depression, a ruined economy, a divided country. It's not like they could do worse.

Careful....things could always be worse.

 

[The Rabbi]

RDean is the idiot brother of Jake Starkey. Or vice versa.

First they complain the GOP has no new ideas. Then they complain the GOP has new ideas. No winning here.

The truth is the party is experiencing a very long needed self examination as to what it is and what it stands for. The old bulls who were around when Bush was president are getting slammed for their lack of adherence to principle. The young Turks are trying out new ideas. This is long overdue for the party and a sign of intellectual ferment and good health.
The Dems. Well, they can run on the idea that it was all Bush's fault.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

6% of scientists are republicans.


But no facepalm this time.

right now the Republicans are energised about pushing back the Democrats. All of them. Intra party catfights always happen, so this will be nothing new. But the catfights will have to wait after they have taken care of business, which will be to gerrymander the democrats into oblivion, and repeal 0bamacare.

 

[Avatar4321]

That's your problem rdean. You're looking at a purely political game here. Many of us are done playing the political game.

We have much higher goals.

 

[Vel]

And as far as governors. For example, look at Carly (oh that hair is SO last year) Fiorina. As chief of Hewlett Packard, she fired 18 THOUSAND workers and moved those jobs to China. Everything she touched was a disaster. The day she was forced out, the companies stock went up 7%. Imagine the possibilities as Governor of California. Couldn't ya just die?

Psssst.. Imagine how much more credible this post would be if you'd figured out that Carly Fiorina is not running for governor of California. Try bashing Meg Whitman next.

 

[shintao]

Republicans are missing the big picture.

Say they do win the Senate and the House. They will probably also win a majority of Governorships. And state legislator slots. I suspect the "war" isn't going to be between Democrats and Republicans, but between Republican moderates and the extreme far right. Can't wait. I almost want them to win.

Good points. The tea Party are using the strategy of running as the RNC vehicle, but that is where the romance ends, and thus forcing the republicans out of control. Good strategy!! Splitting the RNC vote will only keep Dems in office.

 

[rdean]

6% of scientists are republicans.


But no facepalm this time.

right now the Republicans are energised about pushing back the Democrats. All of them. Intra party catfights always happen, so this will be nothing new. But the catfights will have to wait after they have taken care of business, which will be to gerrymander the democrats into oblivion, and repeal 0bamacare.

About the health care bill, I posted links to both the House version that was 1990 pages and the final Senate version that was about 1500 pages. I'm assuming you read at least some of it. What was it you thought was a mistake?

 

[rdean]

And as far as governors. For example, look at Carly (oh that hair is SO last year) Fiorina. As chief of Hewlett Packard, she fired 18 THOUSAND workers and moved those jobs to China. Everything she touched was a disaster. The day she was forced out, the companies stock went up 7%. Imagine the possibilities as Governor of California. Couldn't ya just die?

Psssst.. Imagine how much more credible this post would be if you'd figured out that Carly Fiorina is not running for governor of California. Try bashing Meg Whitman next.

Sorry about that. I was watching the Carly Fiorina and Senator Barbara Boxer debate. I'm from Illinois and not California and got mixed up when I was typing this out. I've also made the mistake of saying someone is running for the Senate when they were running for the house. Or said someone was governor when they were Lt. governor.

It doesn't really change the thread.

 

[rdean]

That's your problem rdean. You're looking at a purely political game here. Many of us are done playing the political game.

We have much higher goals.

If Republicans had higher goals, they would have presented policy. So far, it's all been "Obama is a terrorist/Fascist/Socialist/Communist/manchild/who wants to kill your grandmother".

And when you ask about "policy", all you get is, "reduce the deficit, privatize SS, stop Obamacare, cut taxes, don't pay unemployment, let companies fail". These aren't "policies", they're "sound bytes". This is why radical republicans will have a hard time with the moderates.

 

[rdean]

RDean is the idiot brother of Jake Starkey. Or vice versa.

First they complain the GOP has no new ideas. Then they complain the GOP has new ideas. No winning here.

The truth is the party is experiencing a very long needed self examination as to what it is and what it stands for. The old bulls who were around when Bush was president are getting slammed for their lack of adherence to principle. The young Turks are trying out new ideas. This is long overdue for the party and a sign of intellectual ferment and good health.
The Dems. Well, they can run on the idea that it was all Bush's fault.

Just curious. Please describe a couple, or even one new "Gop idea".

 

[shintao]

RDean is the idiot brother of Jake Starkey. Or vice versa.

First they complain the GOP has no new ideas. Then they complain the GOP has new ideas. No winning here.

The truth is the party is experiencing a very long needed self examination as to what it is and what it stands for. The old bulls who were around when Bush was president are getting slammed for their lack of adherence to principle. The young Turks are trying out new ideas. This is long overdue for the party and a sign of intellectual ferment and good health.
The Dems. Well, they can run on the idea that it was all Bush's fault.

Just curious. Please describe a couple, or even one new "Gop idea".

Using Dems ideas......... Lets see, they invented WMDs, Preemptive wars, Torture murder & rape of innocent women & children, faith based church-charity funded by gov. from the White House, communist loans, ~ those are all fresh ideas from the party of NO.

 

[The Rabbi]

RDean is the idiot brother of Jake Starkey. Or vice versa.

First they complain the GOP has no new ideas. Then they complain the GOP has new ideas. No winning here.

The truth is the party is experiencing a very long needed self examination as to what it is and what it stands for. The old bulls who were around when Bush was president are getting slammed for their lack of adherence to principle. The young Turks are trying out new ideas. This is long overdue for the party and a sign of intellectual ferment and good health.
The Dems. Well, they can run on the idea that it was all Bush's fault.

Just curious. Please describe a couple, or even one new "Gop idea".

Why should I when you've done that yourself?

 

[rdean]

RDean is the idiot brother of Jake Starkey. Or vice versa.

First they complain the GOP has no new ideas. Then they complain the GOP has new ideas. No winning here.

The truth is the party is experiencing a very long needed self examination as to what it is and what it stands for. The old bulls who were around when Bush was president are getting slammed for their lack of adherence to principle. The young Turks are trying out new ideas. This is long overdue for the party and a sign of intellectual ferment and good health.
The Dems. Well, they can run on the idea that it was all Bush's fault.

Just curious. Please describe a couple, or even one new "Gop idea".

Using Dems ideas......... Lets see, they invented WMDs, Preemptive wars, Torture murder & rape of innocent women & children, faith based church-charity funded by gov. from the White House, communist loans, ~ those are all fresh ideas from the party of NO.

It is curious that they would work to promote corporations that move American jobs to China, making that communist/socialist country stronger and this country weaker, even wanting to drop corporation taxes altogether. Do they don't understand what they are doing?

Cosmic Log - Satellite-watchers worry about China

Republicans work to move our technology to China while China is developing ways to knock down our satellites. Perhaps Republicans don't understand why this is a problem?

 

[rdean]

RDean is the idiot brother of Jake Starkey. Or vice versa.

First they complain the GOP has no new ideas. Then they complain the GOP has new ideas. No winning here.

The truth is the party is experiencing a very long needed self examination as to what it is and what it stands for. The old bulls who were around when Bush was president are getting slammed for their lack of adherence to principle. The young Turks are trying out new ideas. This is long overdue for the party and a sign of intellectual ferment and good health.
The Dems. Well, they can run on the idea that it was all Bush's fault.

Just curious. Please describe a couple, or even one new "Gop idea".

Why should I when you've done that yourself?

Why should you? Perhaps the real answer is "you can't"?

 

[rightwinger]

Shutting down the government
Ending Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid
Outlawing all abortion, even when raped
Ending unemployment benefits
Ending all corporate taxes
Deregulating Wall Street
Deregulating the EPA and OSHA even more

Be afraid...be very afraid

 

[rdean]

Shutting down the government
Ending Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid
Outlawing all abortion, even when raped
Ending unemployment benefits
Ending all corporate taxes
Deregulating Wall Street
Deregulating the EPA and OSHA even more

Be afraid...be very afraid

I don't see how they get the support to do these things.

Probably what will happen is the government will become paralyzed. There will be three groups. Democrats, moderate Republicans and far right extreme Republicans.

Look at Sharon Angle. She says, "It's not a senator's job to bring jobs to the state". She says she only wants to give interviews to papers that support her position. She is a perfect example of right wing extremism and very typical of the Tea Party. I don't even want to get into her bizarre government policies of privatizing SS, ending Medicare and Medicaid and unemployment. There is nothing "normal" about her.

Once Republicans get into power, the next stop is the presidential election. What will they do that will make Americans want to vote for them?

Look at Republicans on this board. They have no idea what Republican "policies" are, yet support them, whatever they are. It's just too, too weird. And when you ask about Republican "policies", they only have sound bytes. In fact, they may not understand the difference.