The UN Pandemic Treaty negotiations aren't going as smoothly

[the watcher]

as some would like it. Lots of amendments and proposals, probably more than a little bribery and extortion. Sounds good in theory but another step towards surrendering freedom for false security, except on a global scale. It's a good time to reflect on Trump shutting down the US acceptance of the UN small arms treaty after John Kerry had already signed it, because it would supersede our laws and rightly so. Different regime here now. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00410-0/fulltext

 

[jackflash]

as some would like it. Lots of amendments and proposals, probably more than a little bribery and extortion. Sounds good in theory but another step towards surrendering freedom for false security, except on a global scale. It's a good time to reflect on Trump shutting down the US acceptance of the UN small arms treaty after John Kerry had already signed it, because it would supersede our laws and rightly so. Different regime here now. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00410-0/fulltext

We need legislation to make sure U.S. Constitutional law cannot be nullified by international law.

 

[MisterBeale]

We need legislation to make sure U.S. Constitutional law cannot be nullified by international law.

If you want that. . . just make sure it has to be ratified by the Senate, like any other treaty. . .

Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Treaty Clause - Wikipedia

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"[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur..."

The political elites, do not plan to use the Constitution means to cede away the sovereinty of the citizens of this nation, even though this one. . . means everyting.

And be assure, there are some in Congress who are speaking up, but they are being overwhelmed.

Executive Authority Under the U.S. Constitution to Enter a Pandemic Treaty or Other International Agreement​

Executive Authority Under the U.S. Constitution to Enter a Pandemic Treaty or Other International Agreement

Sam F. Halabi

journals.law.harvard.edu

". . . Despite the availability of a specific constitutional mechanism to govern treaty relations, the presidentially negotiated, Senate-confirmed treaty has fallen into desuetude. Since the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration, only six percent of international agreements have gone through the Senate ratification process.[22] While the last Senate-confirmed treaty was the New START treaty with Russia, other agreements have been adopted through both chambers of Congress with the support of more than two-thirds of the Senate.[23] It is clear from the composition and statements from current U.S. Senators that a pandemic treaty has no chance of achieving two-thirds concurrence of the chamber as it is now comprised.[24]

Outside the treaty process, the President may nevertheless conclude agreements, including so-called congressional-legislative agreements accomplished with varying levels of assent by Congress, and sole executive agreements, concluded within the scope of the President’s Article II authority. These kinds of agreements have been used since the Founding and are the most likely routes to U.S. participation in an international pandemic agreement.

The United States has faced this situation before. It joined the Paris Climate Accords through negotiation by the President (through the Secretary of State) carefully crafting its legal position to fall within domestic authorities. The President enjoyed his widest authority for provisions governed by the U.N. Framework on Climate Change (which the Senate ratified in 1992) and the Clean Air Act (which Congress had adopted by large majorities in 1970).[25] The President’s position was similarly strong with respect to provisions that affected information-sharing, which has been interpreted as authorized by Article II since the adoption of the U.S. Constitution.. . . "

Looks like someone tried to pass a law two years ago that they wouldn't be able to do that, it died in committee without even a vote. . . .

S. 4343 (117th): No WHO Pandemic Preparedness Treaty Without Senate Approval Act​

No WHO Pandemic Preparedness Treaty Without Senate Approval Act (2022 - S. 4343)

A bill to require any convention, agreement, or other international instrument on pandemic prevention, preparedness, and response reached by the World Health Assembly to be subject to Senate ratification.

www.govtrack.us

. . . if at first you don't succeed?

It looks like they introduced a resolution to say they wanted their right to review the treaty last year? I can't say I know what the means, TBH.

Sen. Cramer, Colleagues Introduce Resolution to Prevent President Biden from Ceding U.S. Sovereignty to World Health Organization​

Kevin Cramer (via Public) / Sen. Cramer, Colleagues Introduce Resolution to Prevent President Biden from Ceding U.S. Sovereignty to World Health Organization

www.publicnow.com

 

[luiza]

If you want that. . . just make sure it has to be ratified by the Senate, like any other treaty. . .

The Rule of Law is the foundation for Order .

But what about periods where misguided and even dangerous parties get short term control and rubber stamp proposed new rules and systems which the general public neither understand or can envisage their long term consequences ?

This raises issues and sometimes principles need to be supported by direct action in order to wake up the general public and force such matters to their attention and hoped for comprehension ?
Leading to an inevitable breaking of the Rule of Law .

Do you really think more than 10% of members understand what this Topic is about and its details with its binding future commitments ? I have grave doubts .

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

as some would like it. Lots of amendments and proposals, probably more than a little bribery and extortion. Sounds good in theory but another step towards surrendering freedom for false security, except on a global scale. It's a good time to reflect on Trump shutting down the US acceptance of the UN small arms treaty after John Kerry had already signed it, because it would supersede our laws and rightly so. Different regime here now. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00410-0/fulltext

States are starting to pass laws