The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[Kruska]

Typical dumb American. Thinks his nation is above criticism or blame, but those Japanese just so awful.

I am not an American. And I do share in the fact that the USA, previously and presently at many times places it's self above criticism or blame.
However this thread is about Truman's decision to deploy 2 Atom bombs - for which the Imperial Japanese government was responsible by not being willing to accept unconditional surrender - for an aggressive expansionist war the Imperial Japanese government had already started from the 1880's onward and was even mad enough to attack the USA in 1941.
As for ...those Japanese just so awful - Since you obviously can't comprehend the kind of murderous and self-eccentric mindset that the Imperial Japanese government beheld from 1880 onward till 1945, resulting in the horror, destruction of a dozen countries and the death of 20+ million civilians in Asia, simply shows how dumb and ignorant you are, no matter and independent of your nationality.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

World war I caused World War II. The failure to occupy and destroy the German war machine and rebuild the nation lead directly to the second world war.

 

[gipper]

I am not an American. And I do share in the fact that the USA, previously and presently at many times places it's self above criticism or blame.
However this thread is about Truman's decision to deploy 2 Atom bombs - for which the Imperial Japanese government was responsible by not being willing to accept unconditional surrender - for an aggressive expansionist war the Imperial Japanese government had already started from the 1880's onward and was even mad enough to attack the USA in 1941.
As for ...those Japanese just so awful - Since you obviously can't comprehend the kind of murderous and self-eccentric mindset that the Imperial Japanese government beheld from 1880 onward till 1945, resulting in the horror, destruction of a dozen countries and the death of 20+ million civilians in Asia, simply shows how dumb and ignorant you are, no matter and independent of your nationality.

You recognize the heinous acts by imperial Japan, but not the US. Why?

 

[gipper]

World war I caused World War II. The failure to occupy and destroy the German war machine and rebuild the nation lead directly to the second world war.

The thinking of a public school sixth grader.

 

[Unkotare]

..They’re a hyper-conformist, hyper-homogeneous island nation. ...

Ever been there?

 

[gipper]

It's a fact than conventional bombing killed many times more people in Japan than the nuclear bombs.

However, conventional bombing didn't have the correct amount of shock value to force a Japanese surrender.

I’m sure the people, if they had a say in their government, would have demanded peace. You do understand that Imperial Japan was an authoritarian mess, or maybe not.

Mass murdering civilians from the air is a war crime. Why do you support it?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I’m sure the people, if they had a say in their government, would have demanded peace. You do understand that Imperial Japan was an authoritarian mess, or maybe not.

Mass murdering civilians from the air is a war crime. Why do you support it?

Wasnt in WW2 Further the allies did not target civilians they targeted war factories and resources

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wasnt in WW2 Further the allies did not target civilians they targeted war factories and resources

LOL now our history teacher is claiming the allies targeted civilians on purpose. He disagreed with my statement above.

 

[gipper]

Wasnt in WW2 Further the allies did not target civilians they targeted war factories and resources

Again with the thinking of a sixth grader. Not knowing the US military mass murdered civilians using aerial bombing during WWII, is akin to knowing nothing about WWII.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Again with the thinking of a sixth grader. Not knowing the US military mass murdered civilians using aerial bombing during WWII, is akin to knowing nothing about WWII.

Retard they bombed military targets so take your bullshit elsewhere.

 

[fncceo]

Retard they bombed military targets so take your bullshit elsewhere.

Actually, the firebombing of major Japanese cities with incendiaries was pretty indiscriminate. On the largest firebomb raid of several. Operation Meeting house on 9/10 March 1945, nearly 100,000 Japanese, mostly civilians were killed and more than 200 thousand houses and other building were destroyed over the 2 nights of raids on Tokyo. More than 1 million people made homeless.

More casualties than Dresden, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki.

 

[gipper]

Retard they bombed military targets so take your bullshit elsewhere.

Yeah they destroyed every city in Germany and Japan because they were all military bases. LOL.

Thinks a government school FOURTH GRADER.

 

[gipper]

Actually, the firebombing of major Japanese cities with incendiaries was pretty indiscriminate. On the largest firebomb raid of several. Operation Meeting house on 9/10 March 1945, nearly 100,000 Japanese, mostly civilians were killed and more than 200 thousand houses and other building were destroyed over the 2 nights of raids on Tokyo. More than 1 million people made homeless.

More casualties than Dresden, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki.

You’re dealing with a very low intellect there. There is no way to educate him. He WANTS to believe what they told him in grade school. He’s never advanced beyond that.

 

[braalian]

Retard they bombed military targets so take your bullshit elsewhere.

In both Japan and Germany the Allies very purposefully targeted civilian residential areas.

This doesn’t bother me. The Germans and the Japanese brought it upon themselves by starting the war in the first place.

But facts are facts.

 

[gipper]

In both Japan and Germany the Allies very purposefully targeted civilian residential areas.

This doesn’t bother me. The Germans and the Japanese brought it upon themselves by starting the war in the first place.

But facts are facts.

Yeah killing defenseless civilians who have no control over the actions of their government, is just so cool.

Indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime and this doesn’t just apply to the USG’s enemies. Somehow Americans like you don’t know this.

 

[fncceo]

You’re dealing with a very low intellect there. There is no way to educate him. He WANTS to believe what they told him in grade school. He’s never advanced beyond that.

I don't disagree with the decision to bomb Japanese cities. A choice had to be made between an Allied direct invasion of the Japanese mainland, which would have been an unprecedented blood bath on both sides, or the complete destruction and demoralization of the Japanese people to eliminate their ability to make war.

Targeted bombing of Japanese war industries was impractical both because of the incredible density of Japanese cities and the fact that much of the Japanese war industry was conducted in private home and even schools.

It was a brutal war and the Japanese committed their own share of war crimes. Leaving the Japanese militarist infrastructure in place with a negotiated peace would have left the door open for renewed Japanese aggression later on.

Regardless of the pain that the Japanese suffered in the war that they themselves started, they emerged from that war a better people with a better society.

 

[miketx]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writesfor the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousandscannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

We offered the japs a chance to surrender. They refused. Screw them. Good to see another america hater come out.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In both Japan and Germany the Allies very purposefully targeted civilian residential areas.

This doesn’t bother me. The Germans and the Japanese brought it upon themselves by starting the war in the first place.

But facts are facts.

NO they did not they targeted cities with war production, you three are idiots.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I don't disagree with the decision to bomb Japanese cities. A choice had to be made between an Allied direct invasion of the Japanese mainland, which would have been an unprecedented blood bath on both sides, or the complete destruction and demoralization of the Japanese people to eliminate their ability to make war.

Targeted bombing of Japanese war industries was impractical both because of the incredible density of Japanese cities and the fact that much of the Japanese war industry was conducted in private home and even schools.

It was a brutal war and the Japanese committed their own share of war crimes. Leaving the Japanese militarist infrastructure in place with a negotiated peace would have left the door open for renewed Japanese aggression later on.

Regardless of the pain that the Japanese suffered in the war that they themselves started, they emerged from that war a better people with a better society.

You just admitted they targeted war industry.

 

[gipper]

I don't disagree with the decision to bomb Japanese cities. A choice had to be made between an Allied direct invasion of the Japanese mainland, which would have been an unprecedented blood bath on both sides, or the complete destruction and demoralization of the Japanese people to eliminate their ability to make war.

Targeted bombing of Japanese war industries was impractical both because of the incredible density of Japanese cities and the fact that much of the Japanese war industry was conducted in private home and even schools.

It was a brutal war and the Japanese committed their own share of war crimes. Leaving the Japanese militarist infrastructure in place with a negotiated peace would have left the door open for renewed Japanese aggression later on.

Regardless of the pain that the Japanese suffered in the war that they themselves started, they emerged from that war a better people with a better society.

It’s a war crime in which no one was held to account.

The US military continued mass murdering civilians after WWII. The Korean War, Vietnam War, and Iraq War are all good examples.

We can’t condemn and execute our enemies for war crimes, while ignoring our own.