The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[RetiredGySgt]

2 days before Roosevelt left for Yalta, MacArthur forwarded a 40 page memorandum to the White House outlining 5 separate overtures for surrender he had received.

I have source documents dumb ass all the Japanese offered were variations on a return to 41 start line and no concessions on China. No occupation no disarmament no surrender.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Japan knew of & expected serious retaliation for Pearl Harbor and I surely wouldn't call them defenseless.



I just don't think anyone expected such destruction

If a nation destroys an enemy's naval base for starters what destruction would be appropriate? Maybe if the Japanese cut off the heads of our fliers the destruction would have seemed more appropriate? What do you think?

I think the whole point of the USA was that we are NOT blood thirsty savages and we do NOT go around slaughtering innocent people. When attacked, we fight back, we win, but we BEHAVE IN A FKN CIVILIZED FASHION and we do NOT behave like our enemies!


or am I wrong?

 

[Unkotare]

whoever thinks Japan was ready to surrender obviously has no knowledge of WW2

You are merely a typical uninformed propagandized American. Sadly, there are too many like you.

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Japan's Government REFUSED to surrender even after 2 atomic Bombs and then when the Emperor intervened and ordered the surrender the Army tried a Coup to stop that. This bullshit claim that Japan was ready to surrender is simply a LIE, a poorly done lie easily shown to be a lie and yet you RETARDS keep claiming it.

You are not informed. Please cease and desist from posting in my thread.

The Japanese tried to surrender several times. FDR and Truman ignored them. FDR’s tyrannical unjust and terribly deadly dictate of UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER, lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans and Japanese.

For this, FDR and Truman should burn in Hell for eternity.

.....Germany also got POUNDED and POUNDED and they also did NOT surrender till the Russians were in Berlin --and the Germans were not as fanatical as the Japanese
..and you think the Japanese would've surrendered????!!!!
..learn some history

Psst.... Japan DID surrender.

... OBVIOUSLY they were not willing to surrender
....

They DID surrender.

Which puts the lie to the ridiculous cartoon notion that surrender was absolutely inconceivable for the Japanese. They had contacted MacArthur no fewer than five times with overtures toward finding terms of surrender, terms that it turns out were exactly the same as those terms we did eventually imposed anyway. I’m sure you have some comic book fantasy about samurai who never ever surrendered, but that also is historically inaccurate, so your dime store cultural psychology bullshit does not apply either. It was a country, it had to been for all intents and purposes defeated, it was looking for a way out, the scumbag Roosevelt ignored this in favor of annihilating hundreds of thousands of civilians. A death sentence carried out by his lackey Truman after the scum bag fdr had finally died.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

.and you think the Japanese would've surrendered????!!!!

Only if the emperor himself told them to.

Further reading reveals some japanese communication w/ russia , not quite sure of the story , but possiblly they were looking for a liason ?

~S~

Actually when the Emperor ordered the surrender the Army attempted a Coup to stop it.

 

[anynameyouwish]

It was a war we didn't start, we developed a means to end it, and we ended it. Should we all find ourselves in a similar predicament in WW3, we'll dream of a similar means of ending the war.

I have no doubt that YOU "dream" of killing innocent people but my hope is to either avoid war or to win it with as little damage to life, limb and property and then just make everyone behave.

 

[harmonica]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

which would have been the same result if they had dropped those bombs on ARMIES and NAVIES instead of innocent people.

....please point targets in Japan where civilians would not have been killed by an A bomb dropped on a military target
...also, as stated in many posts, the Japanese were very fanatical---a TREMENDOUS shock attack had to be used to get them to surrender
please read the previous posts: even AFTER the 2 A bombs totally destroyed the cities and killed thousands--the Japanese STILL did NOT want to surrender!!!

 

[Unkotare]

2 days before Roosevelt left for Yalta, MacArthur forwarded a 40 page memorandum to the White House outlining 5 separate overtures for surrender he had received.

I have source documents....

You’ve got one google search that you’ve been riding for ages and yet have never been able to understand in historical context. It comforts you because it plays to your strength: no longer even trying to think.

 

[rightwinger]

They surrendered immediately after Nagasaki was bombed

We had the bomb, we were going to win without invading

Bombing a remote target with minimal population would have demonstrated the power we had. Japan could have seen firsthand the destructive power we now had with minimal loss of lives

If after the demonstration and a threat to start bombing major cities, Japan refused surrender, then we were morally entitled to drop an A bomb

They did NOT the Government voted NOT to surrender the Emperor intervened to over rule them then the ruling party ( the Army) staged a Coup to stop the Emperor. At least leanr the facts before you try to lie about them.

Which resulted in surrender

Does not support that the anihilation of Hiroshima AND Nagasaki were the only way to achieve those goals

We had time on our side. Once we had the bomb and nobody else did, we could have selectively upped the anti

Three days between Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not leave much room for negotiation

The Japanese responded and the Government demanded the same thing it already had a ceasefire with return to 41 start lines.

Again, the bomb changed their mind

We did not need to destroy two cities to prove the power of the bomb

Wrong after the first bomb the Government did NOT surrender and the Emperor DID NOT intervene. After the 2nd Bomb the Government DID NOT surrender BUT the Emperor intervened and was met by a Coup attempt.

Three days is not much time to negotiate

What was our hurry? We had the bomb, they didn’t.

We did not need to invade and could drop the last bomb anytime we wanted

 

[Vandalshandle]

The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.

which would have been the same result if they had dropped those bombs on ARMIES and NAVIES instead of innocent people.

They no longer had a navy.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Source documents that PROVE the Japanese never actually offered to surrender and then attempted a COUP when the Emperor ordered the surrender The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I see absolutely NO source documents from any of the revisionist history types.

 

[harmonica]

They did NOT the Government voted NOT to surrender the Emperor intervened to over rule them then the ruling party ( the Army) staged a Coup to stop the Emperor. At least leanr the facts before you try to lie about them.

Which resulted in surrender

Does not support that the anihilation of Hiroshima AND Nagasaki were the only way to achieve those goals

We had time on our side. Once we had the bomb and nobody else did, we could have selectively upped the anti

Three days between Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not leave much room for negotiation

The Japanese responded and the Government demanded the same thing it already had a ceasefire with return to 41 start lines.

Again, the bomb changed their mind

We did not need to destroy two cities to prove the power of the bomb

Wrong after the first bomb the Government did NOT surrender and the Emperor DID NOT intervene. After the 2nd Bomb the Government DID NOT surrender BUT the Emperor intervened and was met by a Coup attempt.

Three days is not much time to negotiate

What was our hurry? We had the bomb, they didn’t.

We did not need to invade and could drop the last bomb anytime we wanted

what part do you people not understand??
.....AFTER TWO A bombs destroyed the cities and killed thousands in seconds, the Japanese were NOT surrendering
???
NO theere was NO time to fk around!!!
hundreds of thousands of Americans dead/dismembered/etc after a SNEAK attack
---
AGAIN--for all of you--we should have waited????!!! until when??

 

[Unkotare]

Source documents that PROVE the Japanese never actually offered to surrender ...

No, they don’t.

 

[BlackFlag]

It was a war we didn't start, we developed a means to end it, and we ended it. Should we all find ourselves in a similar predicament in WW3, we'll dream of a similar means of ending the war.

I have no doubt that YOU "dream" of killing innocent people but my hope is to either avoid war or to win it with as little damage to life, limb and property and then just make everyone behave.

Oh woooow so you are literally EVERYONE. Good for you, little one! So special!

Meanwhile 10’s of millions of innocents had already been killed and still were being killed but you would have let that continue, hmm? You’re so special

 

[Unkotare]

I see absolutely NO source documents from any of the revisionist history types.

Somebody seems to want to think MacArthur lied to Roosevelt. Someone is very desperate to sell his Google search.

 

[harmonica]

jesus christ--again--you people are thinking in unrealistic/fairytale/TV-movie terms
[ this is common in a lot of these threads ]
....the Japanese and German hierarchy did NOT CARE if their citizens were being massacred
..they are going down until they are dead and the country is destroyed--and many of them committed suicide
..if you KNOW anything about WW2, you would know this

100,000 died in the Tokyo bombing [ etc ] --NO surrender
so it's ok to kill civilians with ''regular'' bombing, but not with A bombs?

 

[Markle]

You are not informed. Please cease and desist from posting in my thread.

The Japanese tried to surrender several times. FDR and Truman ignored them. FDR’s tyrannical unjust and terribly deadly dictate of UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER, lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans and Japanese.

For this, FDR and Truman should burn in Hell for eternity.

Prove it, with a reliable source and link. You can't. So please, excuse yourself and go hide with the other USMB Troll Collection.

 

[rightwinger]

I can't speak to that. I'm just providing a quote from Eisenhower.

Maybe they just forgot to mention it to McArthur. After all, they didn't mention it to president Truman until April 24, 1945, and even he did not know if it would work until July 16, 1945, which was just 3 weeks before they dropped it..

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project

Maybe a Vice President didn’t need to know
Those leading our military forces needed to know what weapons were available and what was coming

It had major impact on military strategy

You have to keep in mind the mind set of some of our military commanders. Curtis Lemay, for example, was the model for "Jack D Ripper", in Dr. Strangelove, the SAC Commander who went crazy and started a nuclear war. After WW2 was over, the president directed that all nuclear weapons be put directly under his personal control. LeMay tried to hold back a few, "just in case". It didn't work. LeMay went on to run as George Wallace's running mate. MacArthur advocated nuclear war against Korea, and presumable China as well, during the Korean war.

Besides. If word had gotten out to the Japanese that we were putting the invasion on hold, they would have assumed a much stronger negotiating position. In fact, it was recommended to Truman that he blow up an unpopulated Japanese Island instead of a city. Truman rejected the advice, correctly, in my opinion, that the Japanese would have assumed that we were not prepared to actually use it against the people of Japan. He was not afraid to use it, which is one of many reasons that Truman is my personal hero.

Both LeMay and Mac wanted to nuke the hell out of North Korea. 30 -40 bombs

We only had three nukes in WWII but they would have flattened Japan if they could

We could have taken the chance to nuke an unpopulated island with the assurance that the next one would land on Tokyo

Once we had the bomb......there was no real hurry

The hurry was to win the war before the Soviets had a chance to turn Tokyo into another East Berlin.

We are talking days

The Soviets would have taken a year and provided additional incentive to surrender

 

[rightwinger]

Japan's Government REFUSED to surrender even after 2 atomic Bombs and then when the Emperor intervened and ordered the surrender the Army tried a Coup to stop that. This bullshit claim that Japan was ready to surrender is simply a LIE, a poorly done lie easily shown to be a lie and yet you RETARDS keep claiming it.

whoever thinks Japan was ready to surrender obviously has no knowledge of WW2

You are merely a typical uninformed propagandized American. Sadly, there are too many like you.

72nd Anniversary of Hiroshima’s Gratuitous Mass Murder
By Stephen Lendman

StephenLendman.org

August 8, 2017you are not informed. T

Yeah...mass murder civilians of a defenseless nation ready to surrender, based on inaccurate information.

Ike said don’t drop those bombs. Admiral Leahy said don’t drop those bombs.

Japan's Government REFUSED to surrender even after 2 atomic Bombs and then when the Emperor intervened and ordered the surrender the Army tried a Coup to stop that. This bullshit claim that Japan was ready to surrender is simply a LIE, a poorly done lie easily shown to be a lie and yet you RETARDS keep claiming it.

You are not informed. Please cease and desist from posting in my thread.

The Japanese tried to surrender several times. FDR and Truman ignored them. FDR’s tyrannical unjust and terribly deadly dictate of UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER, lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans and Japanese.

For this, FDR and Truman should burn in Hell for eternity.

.....Germany also got POUNDED and POUNDED and they also did NOT surrender till the Russians were in Berlin --and the Germans were not as fanatical as the Japanese
..and you think the Japanese would've surrendered????!!!!
..learn some history

Psst.... Japan DID surrender.

...AFTER TWO A bombs and AFTER the vote ended in a tie and AFTER Japanese tried to stop the surrender--NOT before
so- OBVIOUSLY they were not willing to surrender
..you didn't know any of that--did you??

They surrendered within a week of Hiroshima

We didn’t offer much room to negotiate

 

[harmonica]

Maybe they just forgot to mention it to McArthur. After all, they didn't mention it to president Truman until April 24, 1945, and even he did not know if it would work until July 16, 1945, which was just 3 weeks before they dropped it..

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project

Maybe a Vice President didn’t need to know
Those leading our military forces needed to know what weapons were available and what was coming

It had major impact on military strategy

You have to keep in mind the mind set of some of our military commanders. Curtis Lemay, for example, was the model for "Jack D Ripper", in Dr. Strangelove, the SAC Commander who went crazy and started a nuclear war. After WW2 was over, the president directed that all nuclear weapons be put directly under his personal control. LeMay tried to hold back a few, "just in case". It didn't work. LeMay went on to run as George Wallace's running mate. MacArthur advocated nuclear war against Korea, and presumable China as well, during the Korean war.

Besides. If word had gotten out to the Japanese that we were putting the invasion on hold, they would have assumed a much stronger negotiating position. In fact, it was recommended to Truman that he blow up an unpopulated Japanese Island instead of a city. Truman rejected the advice, correctly, in my opinion, that the Japanese would have assumed that we were not prepared to actually use it against the people of Japan. He was not afraid to use it, which is one of many reasons that Truman is my personal hero.

Both LeMay and Mac wanted to nuke the hell out of North Korea. 30 -40 bombs

We only had three nukes in WWII but they would have flattened Japan if they could

We could have taken the chance to nuke an unpopulated island with the assurance that the next one would land on Tokyo

Once we had the bomb......there was no real hurry

The hurry was to win the war before the Soviets had a chance to turn Tokyo into another East Berlin.

We are talking days

The Soviets would have taken a year and provided additional incentive to surrender

what's your plan?? to wait?
you people are GENIUSES
you would make a better POTUS than Truman or anybody
you have all the answers