The truth about the AR-15 rifle, the most popular rifle in the U.S.

[Skull Pilot]

Here we go again

This rifle

Is except for cosmetic differences, exactly the same as this rifle

And neither of them are "assault" weapons

 

[Wilbur Right]

It's effectively the same weapon. fires the same round, has the same range, etc.

the only difference is that the M16 can be fired on full auto. You have to modify the AR15 in order to do that, which you can do very easily.

Some gun nutter needs to refute what Joe said. Is the difference between the two rifles that fact that one is fully automatic? Or not? Can the AR be made fully automatic? If so, Joe's right. Again.


But but but. Come on gun nutters. Defend your weapon!

 

[WinterBorn]

The AR-15 is not an M16. No amount of insisting it is will change that.

It's effectively the same weapon. fires the same round, has the same range, etc.

the only difference is that the M16 can be fired on full auto. You have to modify the AR15 in order to do that, which you can do very easily.

No, it is not "effectively the same weapon". Just as a Bic lighter is not a flamethrower.

Easily? No. Get time in prison for it? Yes.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's effectively the same weapon. fires the same round, has the same range, etc.

the only difference is that the M16 can be fired on full auto. You have to modify the AR15 in order to do that, which you can do very easily.

Some gun nutter needs to refute what Joe said. Is the difference between the two rifles that fact that one is fully automatic? Or not? Can the AR be made fully automatic? If so, Joe's right. Again.


But but but. Come on gun nutters. Defend your weapon!

It is illegal to modify any semi auto for automatic fire therefore law abiding gun owners do not do it

But let's make the rules to ban everything that a criminal might use illegally and then see what's left

 

[WinterBorn]

It's effectively the same weapon. fires the same round, has the same range, etc.

the only difference is that the M16 can be fired on full auto. You have to modify the AR15 in order to do that, which you can do very easily.

Some gun nutter needs to refute what Joe said. Is the difference between the two rifles that fact that one is fully automatic? Or not? Can the AR be made fully automatic? If so, Joe's right. Again.


But but but. Come on gun nutters. Defend your weapon!

Ok, that is easy enough.

In order to make the AR-15 fire as a fully automatic rifle, you have to have a machine shop. You will need to cut the receiver of the weapon and change out a couple of parts (which you have to make). And the rifle is a very precise machine, so the new parts and cuts will have to be within very tight tolerances and of a quality metal.

 

[JoeB131]

No, it is not "effectively the same weapon". Just as a Bic lighter is not a flamethrower.

Easily? No. Get time in prison for it? Yes.

I could probably do it with the right tools. so could most people.

the problem is, the Government allows civilians to buy a weapon that can be easily modified into a weapon of mass destruction, and guys like Joker Holmes can buy it.

 

[JoeB131]

It is illegal to modify any semi auto for automatic fire therefore law abiding gun owners do not do it

But let's make the rules to ban everything that a criminal might use illegally and then see what's left

We already do that. Try buying Claritan D off the shelf, or buy a lot of it. You can't. Because it can be turned into Crystal Meth.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, it is not "effectively the same weapon". Just as a Bic lighter is not a flamethrower.

Easily? No. Get time in prison for it? Yes.

I could probably do it with the right tools. so could most people.

the problem is, the Government allows civilians to buy a weapon that can be easily modified into a weapon of mass destruction, and guys like Joker Holmes can buy it.

If you have a machine shop and the skills necessary to create the parts that will fit in a precision machine, you probably could. And no, "most people" could certainly not produce the parts necessry to make the AR-15 fully automatic. But "most people" could certainly create a bomb that would kill far more people.

Was the rifle used by Holmes a fully automatic weapon?

 

[WinterBorn]

It is illegal to modify any semi auto for automatic fire therefore law abiding gun owners do not do it

But let's make the rules to ban everything that a criminal might use illegally and then see what's left

We already do that. Try buying Claritan D off the shelf, or buy a lot of it. You can't. Because it can be turned into Crystal Meth.

Yes they did. And that stopped the production of Crystal meth completely, didn't it? No?
Well surely it made it rare, at least, right? No?

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is illegal to modify any semi auto for automatic fire therefore law abiding gun owners do not do it

But let's make the rules to ban everything that a criminal might use illegally and then see what's left

We already do that. Try buying Claritan D off the shelf, or buy a lot of it. You can't. Because it can be turned into Crystal Meth.

That's not a ban now is it?
What you are saying is that LEGAL use of the drug is not restricted

 

[JoeB131]

If you have a machine shop and the skills necessary to create the parts that will fit in a precision machine, you probably could. And no, "most people" could certainly not produce the parts necessry to make the AR-15 fully automatic. But "most people" could certainly create a bomb that would kill far more people.

Was the rifle used by Holmes a fully automatic weapon?

Most people would just buy those parts at a gun show or on line.

Doesn't matter if holmes had a fully auto matic weapon or not. the fact he had a semi-automatic weapon with the power it had is the problem. 12 people died and anther 60 wer wounded, and you guys are okay with this.

I'm not.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes they did. And that stopped the production of Crystal meth completely, didn't it? No?
Well surely it made it rare, at least, right? No?

We have lots of assholes in prison for making it.

We need to put some gun-selling assholes in prison, too.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you have a machine shop and the skills necessary to create the parts that will fit in a precision machine, you probably could. And no, "most people" could certainly not produce the parts necessry to make the AR-15 fully automatic. But "most people" could certainly create a bomb that would kill far more people.

Was the rifle used by Holmes a fully automatic weapon?

Most people would just buy those parts at a gun show or on line.

Doesn't matter if holmes had a fully auto matic weapon or not. the fact he had a semi-automatic weapon with the power it had is the problem. 12 people died and anther 60 wer wounded, and you guys are okay with this.

I'm not.

He could have done the same thing with a semi auto .22

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes they did. And that stopped the production of Crystal meth completely, didn't it? No?
Well surely it made it rare, at least, right? No?

We have lots of assholes in prison for making it.

We need to put some gun-selling assholes in prison, too.

Those that sell guns ILLEGALLY and get caught do go to prison
Those that use guns illegally should be in prison for life

 

[WinterBorn]

If you have a machine shop and the skills necessary to create the parts that will fit in a precision machine, you probably could. And no, "most people" could certainly not produce the parts necessry to make the AR-15 fully automatic. But "most people" could certainly create a bomb that would kill far more people.

Was the rifle used by Holmes a fully automatic weapon?

Most people would just buy those parts at a gun show or on line.

Doesn't matter if holmes had a fully auto matic weapon or not. the fact he had a semi-automatic weapon with the power it had is the problem. 12 people died and anther 60 wer wounded, and you guys are okay with this.

I'm not.

No, I am not ok with that. I want the laws followed so that the people who are mentally incompetent are not allowed to buy a weapon from a dealer. And I want the mental health professionals to follow those laws and report the lunatics to the system that will prevent them from buying.

You want to blame the gun, and take them away from the 100 million gun owners. 9,500 gun murders constitute less than one tenth of one percent of the legal gun owners. 99.9% of gun owners never kill anyone at all.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes they did. And that stopped the production of Crystal meth completely, didn't it? No?
Well surely it made it rare, at least, right? No?

We have lots of assholes in prison for making it.

We need to put some gun-selling assholes in prison, too.

People only go to prison for breaking the law (unless there is mistake made in the process). Gun sellers are breaking no laws. If they do, I am all for them going to jail.

 

[Rustic]

You couldn't just go and french kiss the barrel you had to post here about your love for metal?

Again you live in false memes that you repeat like a goat. The bell around your neck announces your presence from quite a distance.

Wow.....you guys.....I will tell you.....any mention of guns and you guys automatically think of sex acts with them.

Listen.....you are sick, you need some serious help. Having fantasies about having sex with guns is not normal...yes, I said it....when you hear or see the word gun, you get sexually aroused and you need to get help with it......before you hurt yourself or someone else...

You view kissing as a 'sex act'. Ok then.

When you stop flailing your arms try again with a reasoned response rather than dogmatized con memes.

And your point is?

 

[Rustic]

"If it was dead bodies they actually cared about...the anti gunners would have a few AR-15s and get rid of their cars, knives, long heavy objects and amputate their own hands and feet...."

You truly are a moronic idiot.

Your posts are tedious and inane.

And as a consequence of your ignorance and stupidity you do more to undermine and jeopardize the Second Amendment right than any of your imaginary ‘anti-gunners.’

Have you always been pussy whipped this bad??
Lol

 

[Rustic]

AR-15 is OK but I think ACR is much better.

An ar15 is just a sporting rifle... Nothing more

 

[Rustic]

this article documents the truth about this particular rifle...for some reason anti gunners hate it....more than they hate cars, knives, clubs and bare hands...all of which kill more people every single urea than the AR-15 does...by a lot.......

If it was dead bodies they actually cared about...the anti gunners would have a few AR-15s and get rid of their cars, knives, long heavy objects and amputate their own hands and feet....

The AR-15 in their home is safer...if you care about actual deaths....

What Would It Look Like If The Media Told The Truth About AR-15s?

AR-15s are the most common kind of rifle sold in the United States.
Though the media will never admit it, variation of the AR-15 is by far the most common rifle sold in the United States. While exact figures are hard to pin down for a family of firearms that has been on the civilian market continuously since 1963 and which has been made by dozens of companies, estimates are 8-9 million AR-15 variants in the United States.


The most important fact in this story...and the one the anti gunners can't explain away....


AR-15s sales are up sharply, yet their use in crime is dropping.
Despite sales of AR-15s growing astronomically in recent years, homicides committed with rifles of all kinds are exceedingly rare and continue to plummet. Just 367 murders of 8,874 murders committed in 2010 were committed with any kind of rifle, and murders committed with AR-15s was too rare to bother tracking individually. Rifle homicides dropped to 298 in 2012, and to just 248 in 2014.

AR-15s are not “high-powered.”
Perhaps the most pathetic claim made by the media regarding the AR-15 is that it is “high-powered.” Objectively, that claim is a lie.

The only thing I would argue with is the claim that the AR-15 is not a high powered rifle. While the round it fires is undersized, compared to many other calibers, it is certainly high powered. The 5.56mm steps at between 3300 and 3000 feet per second. That speed allows for some significant energy on impact. What would be your definition of "high powered"?

It would be an exaggeration to call The .223/556 "high powered"... The cartridge most used in ar15 sporting rifles.
Actually it's right on the limit for being too small for game like deer, it will work for deer but it's really a varmit cartridge.

.223 Remington
Index No. Wt. (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Barrel
Length
PRV223RA 50 V-Maxú, Boat Tail 7 1/2 24"
R223R1 55 Pointed Soft Point 7 1/2
R223R2 55 Hollow Point Power-Lokt¨ 7 1/2 24"
R223R3 55 Metal Case 7 1/2
R223R6 62 Hollow Point Match 7 1/2 24"
Velocity (ft./sec.)
Cartridge Muzzle 100
yds. 200
yds. 300
yds. 400
yds. 500
yds.
50 V-MAX 3300 2889 2514 2168 1851 1568
55 PSP 3240 2747 2304 1905 1554 1270
55 V-Max 3240 2773 2352 1969 1627 1341
55 MC 3240 2759 2326 1933 1587 1301
62 HPM 3025 2572 2162 1792 1471 1217
Energy (ft.-lbs.)
Cartridge Muzzle 100
yds. 200
yds. 300
yds. 400
yds. 500
yds.
50 V-MAX 1209 927 701 522 380 273
55 PSP 1282 921 648 443 295 197
55 V-Max 1282 939 675 473 323 220
55 MC 1282 929 660 465 307 207
62 HPM 1260 911 643 442 298 204
Short-RangeÕ Trajectory *
Cartridge 50
yds. 100
yds. 150
yds. 200
yds. 250
yds. 300
yds.
50 V-MAX -0.1 0.5 zero -1.7 -4.8 -9.4
55 PSP -0.1 0.6 zero -2.0 -5.6 -11.2
55 V-Max -0.1 0.6 zero -1.9 -5.4 -10.7
55 MC -0.1 0.6 zero -1.9 -5.5 -11.0
62 HPM 0.2 0.7 zero -2.3 -6.5 -12.9
Long RangeÓ Trajectory *
Cartridge 100
yds. 150
yds. 200
yds. 250
yds. 300
yds. 400
yds. 500
yds.
50 V-MAX -0.1 1.3 zero -2.6 -6.9 -21.2 -45.8
55 PSP 1.6 1.5 zero -3.1 -8.2 -26.2 -58.6
55 V-Max 1.5 1.4 zero -3.0 -7.9 -24.8 -55.1
55 MC 1.6 1.5 zero -3.1 -8.1 -25.5 -57.0
62 HPM 1.9 1.7 zero -3.6 -9.4 -29.9 -66.4

Premier¨ Varmint
Note 1: Bullet does not rise more than 1" above line of sight from muzzle to sighting-in range.
Note 2: Bullet does not rise more than 3" above line of sight from muzzle to sighting-in range.
* Inches above or below line of sight. Hold low for positive numbers, high for negative numbers.