When anti-gunners lie about the AR-15 rifle, or just get it completely wrong..

[AZrailwhale]

There is a simple fix for that. Put fully vetted armed combat veterans in schools. I'm sure you disagree with this option because for you loons it's not about school safety. It's about disarming law abiding citizens.

Simple security starting with airlock style mantraps on all entrances would go a long way. Lock a shooter in a lexan booth and he is harmless.

 

[2aguy]

Yet oddly, the Japanese and Europeans ban guns, and they don't have anywhere near our crime problems.

Imagine that.



Um, guy, everyone had a short lifespan back then.

Law enforcement wasn't as widespread as you think. Most places didn't even have police forces. If you didn't catch the guy red handed in the act, you never were going to.

Nope, the reason they didn't have a lot of crime back then was that guns were rare, and the mentally ill were locked up.

Democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians make our crime rate high, not guns...they allow violent, repeat offenders out of jail and prison, over and over and over again, even violent gun offenders....they need criminals using guns to commit crime and murder people so they can push gun control.

Europe is going to surpass the U.S. in crime....they imported violent, 3rd world men, who now use illegal guns more and more, and even hand grenades to enforce their drug territories and to rape English girls.

Sweden, once a crime free nation, has become the rape capitol of Europe, and their drug gangs are using guns and hand grenades daily...and it is getting worse....

Japan keeps crime low by actually putting criminals in prison for long sentences......

In Japan, stealing a wallet is a 10 year sentence.....and you do that sentence...

 

[2aguy]

Yet oddly, the Japanese and Europeans ban guns, and they don't have anywhere near our crime problems.

Imagine that.



Um, guy, everyone had a short lifespan back then.

Law enforcement wasn't as widespread as you think. Most places didn't even have police forces. If you didn't catch the guy red handed in the act, you never were going to.

Nope, the reason they didn't have a lot of crime back then was that guns were rare, and the mentally ill were locked up.

You really are a moron.....crime was high back then because people were far more violent, and access to guns had nothing to do with it.

 

[2aguy]

There is a simple fix for that. Put fully vetted armed combat veterans in schools. I'm sure you disagree with this option because for you loons it's not about school safety. It's about disarming law abiding citizens.

Joe and the party of actual slave rapists, the democrat party, want dead children in schools. The best tool they have to push gun control is dead kids in schools....that is why they fight tooth and nail to keep security and armed teachers out of those schools.

 

[2aguy]

You are proving my point. Books scare you.

Speaking of guys terrified of books


We've been over this. A mass shooting is any incident where more than one person is killed or injured.

YOu want to define is as five or more people being killed, and thankfully, those are rare, but not as rare as you claim.

No, a mass public shooting is not the same as a gang banger unloading at a party, on a block, or over social media posts about his girlfriend.

The actual definition of mass public shootings....

From Mother Jones, the left wing, anti-gun, news organization:

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Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.
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[JoeB131]

Just pointing out the flaw in your argument.

There is no flaw.

The problem is, you guys want to blame gun violence or the lack thereof on ANYTHING but the guns.

 

[Hafar1014]

hadit
The insane were generally confined under conditions that led to a short life and career criminals had short careers because capital punishment was widespread.

When was that 1950? Today democrats put the violent mentally ill on the street and allow them to refuse treatment

 

[martybegan]

There is no flaw.

The problem is, you guys want to blame gun violence or the lack thereof on ANYTHING but the guns.

And you think getting rid of guns gets rid of people who are assholes.

 

[80zephyr]

This weapon was designed for a battlefield and has no business on America's streets.

Full stop.

The very first semi automatics in America were designed and sold for civilian use.

Full stop.

 

[Auld Phart]

There is no flaw.

The problem is, you guys want to blame gun violence or the lack thereof on ANYTHING but the guns.

Except in Baldwins case, guns don't fire themselves.

the person holding it , usually, is the cause of death,

 

[80zephyr]

How is it hype.

If Adam Lanza had gone into Sandy Hook with a baseball bat, he wouldn't have been able to kill 26 people.

He'd have probably been overpowered before he killed 1.

Countries that don't have guns are attacked with bombs or vehicles. Evil finds a way.

 

[hadit]

There is no flaw.

The problem is, you guys want to blame gun violence or the lack thereof on ANYTHING but the guns.

It is within living memory that kids could take courses in firearm usage, including live ammo, in school. Very few mass shootings.
It is within living memory that you could order a firearm and ammo from a catalog and have them delivered to your door. Very few mass shootings.
It is within living memory that you could keep a firearm on a rack in the back window of your truck and drive through town with no hassles. Very few mass shootings.

It's not the guns.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Its amazing how you guys can let JoeB131 openly lie to you for -9- pages.

The board has an ignore function.

 

[hadit]

Its amazing how you guys can let JoeB131 openly lie to you for -9- pages.

The board has an ignore function.

It's just fun to expose how vacuous the arguments really are.

 

[Captain Caveman]

This weapon was designed for a battlefield and has no business on America's streets.

Full stop.

You will NEVER penetrate the retarded mind of a gun nut.

 

[JoeB131]

And you think getting rid of guns gets rid of people who are assholes.

No, we are always going to have assholes.

They just won't be able to shoot a school full of kids.

 

[2aguy]

You will NEVER penetrate the retarded mind of a gun nut.

Captain....you really have more important concerns in your country as 3rd world muslims are continuing to rape English girls at an industrial scale. Considering your King may be a secret muslim now, you really need to pay more attention to your formerly Christian country.

 

[80zephyr]

No, we are always going to have assholes.

They just won't be able to shoot a school full of kids.

The Columbine shooters actually set up bombs to go off. They didn't go off because they were not put together right. If they didn't have access to guns, they most likely would have perfected the bombs and caused more deaths.

Fun fact. The deadliest school massacre in US history was done with bombs.

 

[JoeB131]

The Columbine shooters actually set up bombs to go off. They didn't go off because they were not put together right. If they didn't have access to guns, they most likely would have perfected the bombs and caused more deaths.

Fun fact. The deadliest school massacre in US history was done with bombs.

Yeah, 100 years ago. Get current.

 

[80zephyr]

Yeah, 100 years ago. Get current.

It could be worse today.