The Trump/Jesus Comparison

[Mashmont]

No, you certainly did do it.

You had a post, quoting a previous post of yours. But when I called you on it, you deleted them both. Like I said, chickenshit.

LOL. No, I didn't. I think you're drinking. Are you an angry drunk?

 

[WinterBorn]

LOL. No, I didn't. I think you're drinking. Are you an angry drunk?

Are you saying you didn't delete the post?

 

[WinterBorn]

LOL. No, I didn't. I think you're drinking. Are you an angry drunk?

I don't drink.

 

[WinterBorn]

LOL. No, I didn't. I think you're drinking. Are you an angry drunk?

Lying is a sin, Mashmont.

 

[Mashmont]

Lying is a sin, Mashmont.

Try to sleep it off, now. Bye.

 

[WinterBorn]

Try to sleep it off, now. Bye.

I'll sleep when I am ready. But you run along now.

Remember, try not to lie like you did in this thread.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I don't drink.

It's not healthy to totally abstain from alcholic beverages

they've found that people who drink in moderation live longer

 

[forkintheroad7]

Jesus was crucified by the Roman/Jewish establishment. Trump is being crucified by the Marxist establishment. Both crucified for speaking truth to power.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The atheism thing in the Constitution isn't working out. That's what's leading to the downfall of this nation. Time to amend it.

How are atheists leading to a downfall when our first four Presidents were definitely not born again? They were not Catholic or Protestant and Jefferson was fiercely anti-Catholic.

President Ulysses S Grant was a strong advocate for the separation of church and state. The Democratic Party is the only political party in our time that advocates for a sturdy and stiff wall being maintained to keep church and stay separated.

The extent to which Ulysses S. Grant publicly identified as a "born-again Christian" is a subject of historical debate. Some evidence suggests he was influenced by Christianity, especially Methodism (his wife's denomination), but a clear public declaration of a "born-again" experience is difficult to ascertain
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• Private Faith: Grant was known for being a private individual regarding his religious beliefs and rarely discussed his personal faith in public or recorded comments.
• Methodist Affiliation: His wife, Julia Dent Grant, was a devout Methodist, and Grant attended Methodist churches with her throughout their marriage, including becoming a trustee at Washington's Metropolitan Methodist Church during his presidency. He also befriended Methodist preachers like John Heyl Vincent.

• Public Statements: Grant's public statements often reflected traditional American civil religion, acknowledging Providence and emphasizing the importance of institutions like Sunday schools. However, he strongly advocated for the separation of church and state, stating that the government should "leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions".
• Historical Interpretation: Historians offer various interpretations of Grant's faith. Some argue he was a Christian, while others, including his own son, believed he was agnostic. Some sources suggest he may have found solace in faith toward the end of his life, even being rebaptized on his deathbed at the insistence of friends. One account even suggests a deathbed conversion to Presbyterianism, though this lacks widespread historical acceptance.

Therefore, while there's evidence suggesting Grant had connections to Christianity, particularly Methodism, there's no widespread agreement or strong evidence that he publicly declared.


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[whutTHEYsay]

I suspect God is very pleased with His servant Donald for sharply reducing abortions.

Desantis maybe. Trump ? Hell No!

Catholic News Agency
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Sep 18, 2023 — Pro-life leaders condemned President Donald Trump for calling a six-week abortionban a “terrible mistake” during a Saturday NBC interview


It takes six weeks for a woman to find out she’s pregnant. A six week abortion ban is the only ban that will prevent abortions.

r1776r AIbortion

 

[luiza]

The Trump actually occasionally keeps a promise.

But we are still waiting after 2000 years for the Essene monk to come up "trumps" with a single one .

 

[Mashmont]

Desantis maybe. Trump ? Hell No!

Catholic News Agency
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com › news › donald-t...




Sep 18, 2023 — Pro-life leaders condemned President Donald Trump for calling a six-week abortionban a “terrible mistake” during a Saturday NBC interview


It takes six weeks for a woman to find out she’s pregnant. A six week abortion ban is the only ban that will prevent abortions.

r1776r AIbortion

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Those were the days, all right. Things seemed to work better then

 

[Leo123]

How are atheists leading to a downfall when our first four Presidents were definitely not born again? They were not Catholic or Protestant and Jefferson was fiercely anti-Catholic.

President Ulysses S Grant was a strong advocate for the separation of church and state. The Democratic Party is the only political party in our time that advocates for a sturdy and stiff wall being maintained to keep church and stay separated.

The extent to which Ulysses S. Grant publicly identified as a "born-again Christian" is a subject of historical debate. Some evidence suggests he was influenced by Christianity, especially Methodism (his wife's denomination), but a clear public declaration of a "born-again" experience is difficult to ascertain
.

• Private Faith: Grant was known for being a private individual regarding his religious beliefs and rarely discussed his personal faith in public or recorded comments.
• Methodist Affiliation: His wife, Julia Dent Grant, was a devout Methodist, and Grant attended Methodist churches with her throughout their marriage, including becoming a trustee at Washington's Metropolitan Methodist Church during his presidency. He also befriended Methodist preachers like John Heyl Vincent.

• Public Statements: Grant's public statements often reflected traditional American civil religion, acknowledging Providence and emphasizing the importance of institutions like Sunday schools. However, he strongly advocated for the separation of church and state, stating that the government should "leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions".
• Historical Interpretation: Historians offer various interpretations of Grant's faith. Some argue he was a Christian, while others, including his own son, believed he was agnostic. Some sources suggest he may have found solace in faith toward the end of his life, even being rebaptized on his deathbed at the insistence of friends. One account even suggests a deathbed conversion to Presbyterianism, though this lacks widespread historical acceptance.

Therefore, while there's evidence suggesting Grant had connections to Christianity, particularly Methodism, there's no widespread agreement or strong evidence that he publicly declared.


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The founders had Judeo-Christian morals and values.

 

[BULLDOG]

The founders had Judeo-Christian morals and values.

Perhaps, but trump doesn't

 

[Zebra]

Jesus was crucified by the Roman/Jewish establishment. Trump is being crucified by the Marxist establishment. Both crucified for speaking truth to power.

I would not compare the two

 

[Mashmont]

I would not compare the two

They are indeed comparable in several ways.

 

[Mr Natural]

They are indeed comparable in several ways.

So what you’re saying is that Jesus was a grifter, scam artist, carnival barker, con man?

 

[Leo123]

So what you’re saying is that Jesus was a grifter, scam artist, carnival barker, con man?

You have 0 proof of that.

 

[Mashmont]

So what you’re saying is that Jesus was a grifter, scam artist, carnival barker, con man?

Neither of them are those things. Reread my OP in which I laid out the similarities between Jesus, and His chosen servant Donald Trump.

 

[norwegen]

Donald Trump was the greatest, most selfless, most honest, most accomplished president in U.S. history. He accomplished more great things—unbelievable things—in his four years than any president in history. He has selflessly donated his enormous talents for the good of the country, when it would have been much easier to settle into retirement at Mar-a-Lago on his yacht. So I’ve wondered, given all that, why the extreme vitriol against against this great man. Why the constant investigations, the impeachments, the lawsuits? And then I am reminded of how Jesus was treated.

Jesus Christ is the most perfect person who has ever existed, and he suffered the most ignominious murders of anyone in history. The most extreme in both directions. And so if it happens to Him, why would I be surprised that a lesser man, great as he was, like Donald Trump was treated very badly? That’s the road for people trying to do the right thing always. It’s never easy. You have a share of people who hate you.

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/7#48007013-1 “Enter through the narrow gate;https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/7#48007013-2https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/7#48007013-2 for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many.j How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few. – Matthew 7: 13-14.

Like most of my threads, I know this one will be misrepresented and lied about. People will declare blasphemy, claiming I said Trump was as virtuous as Jesus. Not saying that at all. Trump was a man of many flaws, leading a sinful life in his younger years. But in recent years and during his first term, there was ample evidence he had turned the corner. His selfless leadership exhibited that change. St Paul, we recall, was a dreadful sinner early in his life. He completely transformed and became among the greatest saints ever.

Jesus was perfect, but the atheists of His day murdered Him. The thousands of great selfless priests and sisters under the atheist Nazi and Communist regimes were led to slaughter like lambs and murdered by the thousands. Today, Christians are being murdered by the non-Christians all over the world. Just the same as when I start a thread on the said life of George Carlin, then I’m labeled as the worst person on earth for daring to challenge the destruction of a drugged life, when you think I’d be agreed with. It’s the very same pattern. Good people trying to do the right thing will be attacked or worse by the atheists. That’s the way it always has been and the way it will be. So I needn’t be surprised at the unprecedently vile treatment President Trump has received at the hands of the current atheists. It’s expected.

Let’s contrast this with the ‘wide easy road’ enjoyed by the wicked Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and Bill Clinton. Vile evil people who have and are committing much sin, graft and deceit. They are praised by the atheist left as heroes. As great people. Immune from criticism. They enjoy the “wide easy road” here on earth. We know what the bible says about that.

So my Christian friends, rest easy. Godless people crucify the virtuous. This is our lot in life. We will have the strength to handle it. Good people can handle it. Donald Trump can handle it.

In the gospels, Jesus frequently enlists hyperbole, including for unrepentent disciples when he says they may face a furnace of fire or debtors’ prison or a portion with the Pharisees and unbelievers or a beating. Of course Jesus doesn’t threaten annihilation or eternal conscious torment, but that they would be cast out (Lk 13:28) or thrown into outer darkness (Mt 22:13).

Jesus came to cast fire on the earth (Lk 12:49). He caused division. He shook up the Jewish establishment and confronted their corruption and subversion of God’s will. We might call it “draining the swamp.”

The administration of Trump 47 (his second coming ) is refined. It doesn’t consist of the servants of his first administration who aligned more with the establishment, the Democrats, and other subversive types of the Beltway. These RINOs were beaten and thrown into the furnace and the prison, so to speak, with the left, who are weeping and gnashing their teeth.