The Trump/Jesus Comparison

[Carl in Michigan]

And clearly I touched a nerve with you too...His and your reaction show that this verse hit a little close to home

I only skimmed your reply. I completely missed this part. Thanks for the laugh.

To be totally honest, I see you as a sister in Christ. You understand a lot many other "christians" don't. But you have this single thing that you can't seem to give up. You do love your conspiracies.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I read your post twice, I know that you stated Trump is imperfect. Like I said to CIM, that was never my claim and not the point at all. The point was about putting too much trust in mere mortals, giving them too much regard.

But since you brought it up, after you acknowledged that he had flaws and led a sinful life in his younger years, you then said that he has changed. Here are your words. (I added the bold)

"But in recent years and during his first term, there was ample evidence he had turned the corner. His selfless leadership exhibited that change. St Paul, we recall, was a dreadful sinner early in his life. He completely transformed and became among the greatest saints ever."​

So clearly you are putting your trust in someone that you think has changed, and you mentioned St. Paul. Paul is known for having a "road to Damascus" life-changing moment... are you claiming that Trump too is now a born again Christian? That was not at all what I was talking about before, but since you brought it up, I'm curious to know if you think Trump is a regenerated, born again believer.

I do have a question for you. No judgement, just wondering where you're at. Do you see God in this election? Do you see that despite everything the Dems have thrown at him to sabotage his campaign, he just keeps coming out on top? I do. I see God's Hand in the his election. I have theories WHY, but I have zero doubt Trump will be our next president. They couldn't even kill him because it isn't his time

 

[buttercup]

I only skimmed your reply. I completely missed this part. Thanks for the laugh.

To be totally honest, I see you as a sister in Christ. You understand a lot many other "christians" don't. But you have this single thing that you can't seem to give up. You do love your conspiracies.

You're bringing up a different topic entirely. And it's one that I would like to respond to, but I think it would be better for another time and thread.

Btw, you gave a thumbs down to my previous post (Post #200)... when I was mostly just asking him a question. What in that post did you think is false or worthy of a thumbs down?

 

[buttercup]

I do have a question for you. No judgement, just wondering where you're at. Do you see God in this election? Do you see that despite everything the Dems have thrown at him to sabotage his campaign, he just keeps coming out on top? I do. I see God's Hand in the his election. I have theories WHY, but I have zero doubt Trump will be our next president. They couldn't even kill him because it isn't his time

No, I don't see God's hand in this election, at least not in the same way you do. You know what I think about the Duopoly, I've stated my view on it many times on different threads. Frankly, I think politics these days is a lot like Pro Wrestling. So when Hulk Hogan was one of the speakers at the RNC, I thought that was very fitting.

I do agree with you on one thing though. I think Trump is going to be back in office.

 

[Mashmont]

I read your post twice, I know that you stated Trump is imperfect. Like I said to CIM, that was never my claim and not the point at all. The point was about putting too much trust in mere mortals, giving them too much regard.

But since you brought it up, after you acknowledged that he had flaws and led a sinful life in his younger years, you then said that he has changed. Here are your words. (I added the bold)

"But in recent years and during his first term, there was ample evidence he had turned the corner. His selfless leadership exhibited that change. St Paul, we recall, was a dreadful sinner early in his life. He completely transformed and became among the greatest saints ever."​

So clearly you are putting your trust in someone that you think has changed, and you mentioned St. Paul. Paul is known for having a "road to Damascus" life-changing moment... are you claiming that Trump too is now a born again Christian? That was not at all what I was talking about before, but since you brought it up, I'm curious to know if you think Trump is a regenerated, born again believer.

I don't know about the 'born again' part, but it's clear by his actions he has repented. No reports of him messing around in the last 18 years. And again, my post has nothing to do with 'placing my trust in Trump', which is something you made up. It has to do with the comparison I made between his travails and those of Jesus.

 

[buttercup]

And again, my post has nothing to do with 'placing my trust in Trump', which is something you made up. It has to do with the comparison I made between his travails and those of Jesus.

So you're not putting your trust in Trump? Your post sounded like you're giving him the highest vote of confidence. Besides, that Isaiah verse was about more than just trusting in man. It's about giving them too much regard, and come on... read your own post. lol! It is overflowing with praise and fanboy admiration..... I mean, I feel like I'm wasting my time arguing the obvious with you. The verse fits, and that's that.

I don't know about the 'born again' part, but it's clear by his actions he has repented. No reports of him messing around in the last 18 years.

As for your comment that he has repented... I don't know if he has or hasn't (I doubt he has, if I had to guess) but I do know this: the only thing that truly changes a person in a significant way is being born again. Nothing else can completely and permanently change a person's nature and their heart. Is Trump a born again Christian? I have not seen any evidence of that. And the last time I checked, I saw evidence of the opposite. He stated himself that he has never even asked God for forgiveness, which shows he doesn't even understand the basics of Christianity.

As for a 'strawman', you just put one out there.

That strawman comment was not directed as you.

 

[surada]

Or just plain stupid.

Comparing Jesus to Donald Trump is insane.

 

[surada]

So you're not putting your trust in Trump? Your post sounded like you're giving him the highest vote of confidence. Besides, that Isaiah verse was about more than just trusting in man. It's about giving them too much regard, and come on... read your own post. lol! It is overflowing with praise and fanboy admiration..... I mean, I feel like I'm wasting my time arguing the obvious with you. The verse fits, and that's that.




As for your comment that he has repented... I don't know if he has or hasn't (I doubt he has, if I had to guess) but I do know this: the only thing that truly changes a person in a significant way is being born again. Nothing else can completely and permanently change a person's nature and their heart. Is Trump a born again Christian? I have not seen any evidence of that. And the last time I checked, I saw evidence of the opposite. He stated himself that he has never even asked God for forgiveness, which shows he doesn't even understand the basics of Christianity.







That strawman comment was not directed as you.

Trump has consistently mocked Christians.

 

[Mashmont]

So you're not putting your trust in Trump? Your post sounded like you're giving him the highest vote of confidence. Besides, that Isaiah verse was about more than just trusting in man. It's about giving them too much regard, and come on... read your own post. lol! It is overflowing with praise and fanboy admiration..... I mean, I feel like I'm wasting my time arguing the obvious with you. The verse fits, and that's that.




As for your comment that he has repented... I don't know if he has or hasn't (I doubt he has, if I had to guess) but I do know this: the only thing that truly changes a person in a significant way is being born again. Nothing else can completely and permanently change a person's nature and their heart. Is Trump a born again Christian? I have not seen any evidence of that. And the last time I checked, I saw evidence of the opposite. He stated himself that he has never even asked God for forgiveness, which shows he doesn't even understand the basics of Christianity.







That strawman comment was not directed as you.

You're playing games, honey. First you say I'm trusting Trump over God. When I say I'm not, then you say "You mean you don't trust Trump?" You're trolling.

 

[surada]

Trump was a good president and hopefully will be again.

He was persecuted and Jesus Christ was persecuted.

But that's about the only connection I can make. To be honest I have no indication that Trump himself is even a regenerated Christian. He is certainly favorable for Christians, but himself? I don't know.

Only for evangelicals. They are only 15% of US Christians.

 

[buttercup]

You're playing games, honey. First you say I'm trusting Trump over God.

I never said that you trust him more than God, that's a lie. Don't ever put words in my mouth. Use the quote feature.

When I say I'm not, then you say "You mean you don't trust Trump?" You're trolling.

No, again that's not the actual context. I repeatedly stated that the point was about putting too much trust in mere mortals, giving them too much regard. Then you said "my post has nothing to do with 'placing my trust in Trump', which is something you made up."

Your words I bolded are why I ASKED you "So you're not putting your trust in Trump?" I wasn't trolling, I was responding to your own words, and trying to show you that the Isaiah verse was fitting. You ARE giving too much regard to mere mortals, period. That's my take on your original post. But you're not the only one. Most here on this site do the same thing.

 

[Mashmont]

I never said that you trust him more than God, that's a lie. Don't ever put words in my mouth. Use the quote feature.



No, again that's not the actual context. I repeatedly stated that the point was about putting too much trust in mere mortals, giving them too much regard. Then you said "my post has nothing to do with 'placing my trust in Trump', which is something you made up."

Your words I bolded are why I ASKED you "So you're not putting your trust in Trump?" I wasn't trolling, I was responding to your own words, and trying to show you that the Isaiah verse was fitting. You ARE giving too much regard to mere mortals, period. That's my take on your original post. But you're not the only one. Most here on this site do the same thing.

Mindsets like ^ this are why I changed my sig to Isaiah 2:22. (And since I'll change it again later, I'll post it here)
"Stop trusting in man, whose breath is in his nostrils; for of what account is he?" - Isaiah 2:22

Please stop the trolling. My OP is the whole reason you posted what you did. I don't have time for this.

 

[buttercup]

Mindsets like ^ this are why I changed my sig to Isaiah 2:22. (And since I'll change it again later, I'll post it here)
"Stop trusting in man, whose breath is in his nostrils; for of what account is he?" - Isaiah 2:22

Please stop the trolling. My OP is the whole reason you posted what you did. I don't have time for this.

Yes, the verse is true. And I believe it's fitting here. End of story.

I'm not trolling, but I am tired of going in circles with you and having words put in my mouth, so.... adios.

 

[Mashmont]

Yes, the verse is true. And I believe it's fitting here. End of story.

I'm not trolling, but I am tired of going in circles with you and having words put in my mouth, so.... adios.

You're the one who instigated this entire discord for no purpose other than to incite. Christians should not be doing that.

 

[buttercup]

You're the one who instigated this entire discord for no purpose other than to incite. Christians should not be doing that.

I posted a verse. If that verse caused discord, it's only because you didn't like the idea that it applied to you and you got indignant and defensive.

But my intention was not to cause discord, I genuinely and sincerely feel that you (and many others here) give too much regard to a mere man, and as Christians, we should challenge and correct and speak the truth to one another.... as the bible says, iron sharpens iron.

Again, I don't want to continue with this. But you're the one who keeps posting to me so you're keeping this exchange going.

 

[surada]

I posted a verse. If that verse caused discord, it's only because you didn't like the idea that it applied to you and you got indignant and defensive.

But my intention was not to cause discord, I genuinely and sincerely feel that you (and many others here) give too much regard to a mere man, and as Christians, we should challenge and correct and speak the truth to one another.... as the bible says, iron sharpens iron.

Again, I don't want to continue with this. But you're the one who keeps posting to me so you're keeping this exchange going.

I thought you found lying Jesus-like in Trump.

 

[Clyde 154]

I haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Why do democrats and or fascists play the "dumb as dirt card" as if they have acute amnesia when they paint themselves into the proverbial corner with their own words?

 

[Mashmont]

If the quote fits, why wouldn't I use it?

The theme of the Isaiah passage that the quote is from is to trust in the Lord and not mortal man. Glad you agree. You're making progress.

 

[WinterBorn]

The theme of the Isaiah passage that the quote is from is to trust in the Lord and not mortal man. Glad you agree. You're making progress.

I selectively cherry-picked a verse. Are only Christians allowed to do that?

 

[Mashmont]

I selectively cherry-picked a verse. Are only Christians allowed to do that?

I'm just glad you think it's better to trust in the Lord rather than humans. Maybe you're not as much an atheist as you thought.