The Thief in the Vatican

[irosie91]

Osteen works for the Vatican. He is an agent of Rome - pretending to a Protestant in order to give Catholicism a platform and some legitimacy. He is not a preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He's with Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince, Rick Warren, Billy Graham - squarely in the Roman Empire Anti-Christ camp. These men are enemies of God and are in the enemies camp.

He does not. The Pope is from the line of Peter, Jesus' right hand man. This is a very enlightened time for the US to have such a humble servant of God , such a Godly man, right here on our soil. He himself walks in the foot prints of Jesus.

"the pope is from the line of peter" <<<< is that a DNA thing?

 

[Penelope]

Osteen works for the Vatican. He is an agent of Rome - pretending to a Protestant in order to give Catholicism a platform and some legitimacy. He is not a preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He's with Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince, Rick Warren, Billy Graham - squarely in the Roman Empire Anti-Christ camp. These men are enemies of God and are in the enemies camp.

He does not. The Pope is from the line of Peter, Jesus' right hand man. This is a very enlightened time for the US to have such a humble servant of God , such a Godly man, right here on our soil. He himself walks in the foot prints of Jesus.

"the pope is from the line of peter" <<<< is that a DNA thing?

No of course not, jews are not a race.

 

[nuhuh]

Osteen works for the Vatican. He is an agent of Rome - pretending to a Protestant in order to give Catholicism a platform and some legitimacy. He is not a preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He's with Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince, Rick Warren, Billy Graham - squarely in the Roman Empire Anti-Christ camp. These men are enemies of God and are in the enemies camp.

He does not. The Pope is from the line of Peter, Jesus' right hand man. This is a very enlightened time for the US to have such a humble servant of God , such a Godly man, right here on our soil. He himself walks in the foot prints of Jesus.

"the pope is from the line of peter" <<<< is that a DNA thing?

The Papacy is not hereditary, the succession is voted upon at the death of the Pontiff. There have been 267 Popes since Peter died 29 June 67.

 

[the_human_being]

Let's talk about the ROCK.


Deu_32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

2Sa_22:47 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.
2Sa_22:32 For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?
2Sa_22:3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
2Sa_22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;



Psa_18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psa_28:1 A Psalm of David. Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit.

There are plenty more.

The Greek text is a translation of Jesus' words, which were actually spoken in Aramaic. Aramaic only had one word for rock, kephas (which is why Peter is often called Cephas in the Bible). The word Kephas in Aramaic means "huge rock." The Aramaic word for "little stone" is "evna," and Peter was not called "Evna" or "Envas" or anything like that. In Aramaic, Jesus said "You are Peter (Kephas) and upon this rock (kephas) I will build my Church." The metaphor worked well in Aramaic where nouns are neither feminine or masculine, but in Greek, the noun "rock" was feminine, and therefore unsuitable as a name for Peter. So the Aramaic word Kephas was translated to the masculine name Petros when it referred to Peter, and to the feminine noun petra when it referred to the rock. In ancient Koine Greek, petra and petros were total synonyms, unlike modern Attic Greek and unlike Ionic Greek which was about 400 year before Christ.

So you claim that Christ, who is the cornerstone of the church was a cornerstone laid upon the foundation of the rock "Peter"? You are further claiming that Peter is the head of the church and Christ is not the head of the church.




Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;



Eph_5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Christ - not Peter.

Don't bother quoting scripture fundie, it's all completely meaningless for you.

Too bad you offer absolutely nothing to the discussion.

 

[the_human_being]

Indeed? You mean the little pebble?
Here is Peter concerning the worship of himself:



Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

To worship any man is idolatry and blasphemy.

"Peter as the Rock will be the foundation of the future community, the church ... To deny the pre-eminent position of Peter among the disciples or in the early Christian community is a denial of the evidence."

- W. F. Albright, Anchor Bible Commentary

Christ was the ROCK - not Peter. Christ is the founder of the church. Christ is the chief cornerstone of the church and the HEAD of the church. Paul did more to establish churches and followers of Christ than Peter ever did. I will agree with you that Peter was the leader of the apostles.

The Greek word for rock is a matter of debate even reformers like Martin Luther said:

"Why are you searching heavenward in search of my keys? Do you not understand, Jesus said, 'I gave them to Peter. They are indeed the keys of heaven, but they are not found in heaven for I left them on earth. Peter's mouth is my mouth, his tongue is my key case, his keys are my keys. They are an office. They are a power, a command given by God through Christ to all of Christendom for the retaining and remitting of the sins of men.'

- Martin Luther, 1530 AD, after he left the Church

Great, now tell me where that is found in the Bible.

The comment comes from Luther's 1530 treatise, The Keys found in LW 40: 320-376. The quote is on pages 365-366. Luther's underlying assumption is that the keys have indeed been given to Peter, but also to the entire church as well.

Then it means nothing. I am posting Scripture not something someone wrote.

 

[the_human_being]

The Bible doesn't even vaguely refer to any rapture of any kind, a complete fantasy based on nothing. But there it is any way.

Are you on your drugs again today. This is not the Rapture thread.

Yeah, but it is the primary tenet of your beliefs.

No it isn't. Idiot. The Rapture Doctrine is a false doctrine.

 

[nuhuh]

"Peter as the Rock will be the foundation of the future community, the church ... To deny the pre-eminent position of Peter among the disciples or in the early Christian community is a denial of the evidence."

- W. F. Albright, Anchor Bible Commentary

Christ was the ROCK - not Peter. Christ is the founder of the church. Christ is the chief cornerstone of the church and the HEAD of the church. Paul did more to establish churches and followers of Christ than Peter ever did. I will agree with you that Peter was the leader of the apostles.

The Greek word for rock is a matter of debate even reformers like Martin Luther said:

"Why are you searching heavenward in search of my keys? Do you not understand, Jesus said, 'I gave them to Peter. They are indeed the keys of heaven, but they are not found in heaven for I left them on earth. Peter's mouth is my mouth, his tongue is my key case, his keys are my keys. They are an office. They are a power, a command given by God through Christ to all of Christendom for the retaining and remitting of the sins of men.'

- Martin Luther, 1530 AD, after he left the Church

Great, now tell me where that is found in the Bible.

The comment comes from Luther's 1530 treatise, The Keys found in LW 40: 320-376. The quote is on pages 365-366. Luther's underlying assumption is that the keys have indeed been given to Peter, but also to the entire church as well.

Then it means nothing. I am posting Scripture not something someone wrote.

Unfortunately you are quoting rewritten scripture so you have to deal with that.

 

[the_human_being]

I am appalled and totally besides myself. I have never witnessed such a spectacle of pure idolatry in my entire life. One might actually suppose that Christ Himself had returned in the personage of the Catholic Pope. Christians should be ashamed of themselves for worshipping a mere man in such a fashion. He is a THIEF!!

The Catholic Pope has stolen God's name. He is called the "Holy Father". Disgraceful blasphemy! "Our Father which art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name." The word "hallowed" means "holy". It is the heavenly Father who's name is hallowed or holy - not the Catholic Pope's name.

The Catholic Pope declares himself to be the Vicar of Christ. Disgraceful blasphemy! When Christ departed following His death, burial, and resurrection, He sent the Comforter or Holy Spirit as His replacement

Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

There's not a mention anywhere of any man taking over as 'vicar" or as the replacement on earth for the Christ.

Evidently style matters more than substance for some people. By some people I mean you.

No real argument though, right?

Here's an argument. Literalist retards can't interpret Biblical metaphors because they don't know what metaphors are.

No metaphors have been posted that I have seen.

 

[the_human_being]

I am appalled and totally besides myself. I have never witnessed such a spectacle of pure idolatry in my entire life. One might actually suppose that Christ Himself had returned in the personage of the Catholic Pope. Christians should be ashamed of themselves for worshipping a mere man in such a fashion. He is a THIEF!!

The Catholic Pope has stolen God's name. He is called the "Holy Father". Disgraceful blasphemy! "Our Father which art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name." The word "hallowed" means "holy". It is the heavenly Father who's name is hallowed or holy - not the Catholic Pope's name.

The Catholic Pope declares himself to be the Vicar of Christ. Disgraceful blasphemy! When Christ departed following His death, burial, and resurrection, He sent the Comforter or Holy Spirit as His replacement

Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

There's not a mention anywhere of any man taking over as 'vicar" or as the replacement on earth for the Christ.

This is as ridiculous as it is ignorant.

Indeed? What part of it do you find untrue?

None of it is true.

You also exhibit a comprehensive ignorance of the Pope's mission, the meaning of the papacy, and Catholic doctrine and dogma in general.

Consequently your post is appropriately subject to ridicule.

I notice yoou are another one who posts no Scriptures that refute my Scriptures though.

 

[the_human_being]

I am appalled and totally besides myself. I have never witnessed such a spectacle of pure idolatry in my entire life. One might actually suppose that Christ Himself had returned in the personage of the Catholic Pope. Christians should be ashamed of themselves for worshipping a mere man in such a fashion. He is a THIEF!!

The Catholic Pope has stolen God's name. He is called the "Holy Father". Disgraceful blasphemy! "Our Father which art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name." The word "hallowed" means "holy". It is the heavenly Father who's name is hallowed or holy - not the Catholic Pope's name.

The Catholic Pope declares himself to be the Vicar of Christ. Disgraceful blasphemy! When Christ departed following His death, burial, and resurrection, He sent the Comforter or Holy Spirit as His replacement

Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

There's not a mention anywhere of any man taking over as 'vicar" or as the replacement on earth for the Christ.

This is as ridiculous as it is ignorant.

Indeed? What part of it do you find untrue?

None of it is true.

You also exhibit a comprehensive ignorance of the Pope's mission, the meaning of the papacy, and Catholic doctrine and dogma in general.

Consequently your post is appropriately subject to ridicule.

All of it is true. Just do a search on vicar for instance.

Maybe you're just waiting to ascend to planet Kolob.

Perhaps I'd find someone there who had more substance than you do.

 

[guno]

I think peter played with his peter and that's how the Christians got their religion

 

[the_human_being]

Christ was the ROCK - not Peter. Christ is the founder of the church. Christ is the chief cornerstone of the church and the HEAD of the church. Paul did more to establish churches and followers of Christ than Peter ever did. I will agree with you that Peter was the leader of the apostles.

The Greek word for rock is a matter of debate even reformers like Martin Luther said:

"Why are you searching heavenward in search of my keys? Do you not understand, Jesus said, 'I gave them to Peter. They are indeed the keys of heaven, but they are not found in heaven for I left them on earth. Peter's mouth is my mouth, his tongue is my key case, his keys are my keys. They are an office. They are a power, a command given by God through Christ to all of Christendom for the retaining and remitting of the sins of men.'

- Martin Luther, 1530 AD, after he left the Church

Great, now tell me where that is found in the Bible.

The comment comes from Luther's 1530 treatise, The Keys found in LW 40: 320-376. The quote is on pages 365-366. Luther's underlying assumption is that the keys have indeed been given to Peter, but also to the entire church as well.

Then it means nothing. I am posting Scripture not something someone wrote.

Unfortunately you are quoting rewritten scripture so you have to deal with that.

At least it is Scripture. What are your arguments based upon?

 

[the_human_being]

I am appalled and totally besides myself. I have never witnessed such a spectacle of pure idolatry in my entire life. One might actually suppose that Christ Himself had returned in the personage of the Catholic Pope. Christians should be ashamed of themselves for worshipping a mere man in such a fashion. He is a THIEF!!

The Catholic Pope has stolen God's name. He is called the "Holy Father". Disgraceful blasphemy! "Our Father which art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name." The word "hallowed" means "holy". It is the heavenly Father who's name is hallowed or holy - not the Catholic Pope's name.

The Catholic Pope declares himself to be the Vicar of Christ. Disgraceful blasphemy! When Christ departed following His death, burial, and resurrection, He sent the Comforter or Holy Spirit as His replacement

Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

There's not a mention anywhere of any man taking over as 'vicar" or as the replacement on earth for the Christ.

Evidently style matters more than substance for some people. By some people I mean you.

No real argument though, right?

Here's an argument. Literalist retards can't interpret Biblical metaphors because they don't know what metaphors are.

That's just an attack without any substance to back anything at all under discussion up.

And I'm saying your interpretation of scripture is wrong. I'm saying that you don't actually know any scripture, let alone be able to interpret it.

Then show me the Scriptures I have quoted incorrectly and provide the correct interpretation. Fair enough?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The Greek word for rock is a matter of debate even reformers like Martin Luther said:

"Why are you searching heavenward in search of my keys? Do you not understand, Jesus said, 'I gave them to Peter. They are indeed the keys of heaven, but they are not found in heaven for I left them on earth. Peter's mouth is my mouth, his tongue is my key case, his keys are my keys. They are an office. They are a power, a command given by God through Christ to all of Christendom for the retaining and remitting of the sins of men.'

- Martin Luther, 1530 AD, after he left the Church

Great, now tell me where that is found in the Bible.

The comment comes from Luther's 1530 treatise, The Keys found in LW 40: 320-376. The quote is on pages 365-366. Luther's underlying assumption is that the keys have indeed been given to Peter, but also to the entire church as well.

Then it means nothing. I am posting Scripture not something someone wrote.

Unfortunately you are quoting rewritten scripture so you have to deal with that.

At least it is Scripture. What are your arguments based upon?

Let me answer that one for him because I doubt he'd admit it. His arguments (concerning interpretation of Scriptures on this thread) are based on lies and deception. Do yourself a favor and do not get drawn into his nonsense.

 

[nuhuh]

Evidently style matters more than substance for some people. By some people I mean you.

No real argument though, right?

Here's an argument. Literalist retards can't interpret Biblical metaphors because they don't know what metaphors are.

That's just an attack without any substance to back anything at all under discussion up.

And I'm saying your interpretation of scripture is wrong. I'm saying that you don't actually know any scripture, let alone be able to interpret it.

Then show me the Scriptures I have quoted incorrectly and provide the correct interpretation. Fair enough?

Fair enough but not today. I'm about to go out and wouldn't be able to finish what I started.

 

[nuhuh]

Great, now tell me where that is found in the Bible.

The comment comes from Luther's 1530 treatise, The Keys found in LW 40: 320-376. The quote is on pages 365-366. Luther's underlying assumption is that the keys have indeed been given to Peter, but also to the entire church as well.

Then it means nothing. I am posting Scripture not something someone wrote.

Unfortunately you are quoting rewritten scripture so you have to deal with that.

At least it is Scripture. What are your arguments based upon?

Let me answer that one for him because I doubt he'd admit it. His arguments (concerning interpretation of Scriptures on this thread) are based on lies and deception. Do yourself a favor and do not get drawn into his nonsense.

LOL, you're not very good at the mastery of the ignore feature.

 

[the_human_being]

No real argument though, right?

Here's an argument. Literalist retards can't interpret Biblical metaphors because they don't know what metaphors are.

That's just an attack without any substance to back anything at all under discussion up.

And I'm saying your interpretation of scripture is wrong. I'm saying that you don't actually know any scripture, let alone be able to interpret it.

Then show me the Scriptures I have quoted incorrectly and provide the correct interpretation. Fair enough?

Fair enough but not today. I'm about to go out and wouldn't be able to finish what I started.

Of course you do. LOL!!

 

[the_human_being]

Great, now tell me where that is found in the Bible.

The comment comes from Luther's 1530 treatise, The Keys found in LW 40: 320-376. The quote is on pages 365-366. Luther's underlying assumption is that the keys have indeed been given to Peter, but also to the entire church as well.

Then it means nothing. I am posting Scripture not something someone wrote.

Unfortunately you are quoting rewritten scripture so you have to deal with that.

At least it is Scripture. What are your arguments based upon?

Let me answer that one for him because I doubt he'd admit it. His arguments (concerning interpretation of Scriptures on this thread) are based on lies and deception. Do yourself a favor and do not get drawn into his nonsense.

There are a few on here who are just being disruptive and probably have studied the Bible very little if at all. They are easy to spot.

 

[Liminal]

Evidently style matters more than substance for some people. By some people I mean you.

No real argument though, right?

Here's an argument. Literalist retards can't interpret Biblical metaphors because they don't know what metaphors are.

That's just an attack without any substance to back anything at all under discussion up.

And I'm saying your interpretation of scripture is wrong. I'm saying that you don't actually know any scripture, let alone be able to interpret it.

Then show me the Scriptures I have quoted incorrectly and provide the correct interpretation. Fair enough?

No, I prefer to go straight after the foundation of the premise for your beliefs.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The comment comes from Luther's 1530 treatise, The Keys found in LW 40: 320-376. The quote is on pages 365-366. Luther's underlying assumption is that the keys have indeed been given to Peter, but also to the entire church as well.

Then it means nothing. I am posting Scripture not something someone wrote.

Unfortunately you are quoting rewritten scripture so you have to deal with that.

At least it is Scripture. What are your arguments based upon?

Let me answer that one for him because I doubt he'd admit it. His arguments (concerning interpretation of Scriptures on this thread) are based on lies and deception. Do yourself a favor and do not get drawn into his nonsense.

There are a few on here who are just being disruptive and probably have studied the Bible very little if at all. They are easy to spot.

And there is at least one who has studied diligently in methods to deceive, lie and twist the scriptures - so this board gets it from more than one angle (from the enemies of God).