The Sun's amazing role in global climate

[Crick]

Scientists posting on Curry's site are peer reviewing.

Peer reviewing what? Is Curry self-publishing studies there?

 

[Crick]

Crick, if Democrats can't manage global climate, you are in a world of hurt.

Why?

 

[ding]

Peer reviewing what?

1. That solar variability has a significant impact on ocean heat transport.
2. That solar forcing is the most important natural factor determining the multidecadal response of the Atlantic meridional circulation.
3. That the ocean plays a critical role in transporting heat poleward within the tropics.
4. That wind-driven circulation in the ocean gyres is responsible for most of the heat transport, and a global conveyor has a limited contribution.
5. That the atmosphere, directly through its circulation and indirectly through the effect of wind stress on oceanic transport, is primarily responsible for most of the poleward heat transport.
6. That the multidecadal oscillation of sea surface temperature in the North Atlantic results from changes in poleward heat transport.
7. That the upper layer of the tropical ocean shows temperature changes in phase with the solar cycle caused by changes in the atmospheric circulation that affect the heat flux from the ocean to the atmosphere.

 

[ding]

The really bad news for AGW is that all of that explains what triggers a glacial period. The collapse of AMOC. Which is temperature related and why glacial periods of the past 400,000 years were triggered at similar temperatures.

 

[Crick]

Crick, if Democrats can't manage global climate, you are in a world of hurt.

Why?

 

[ding]

Why?

Probably because they are so dumb they don't know why both poles have ice on them.

 

[EMH]

If you want to understand Climate, please check with Judith Curry's excellent site @ JudithCurry.com

She is not a blabber mouth. She allows scientists to discuss topics on her site.

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Climate Etc. Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun’s Surprising Role​ curryja Nov 4 Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun's Surprising Role​ by Javier Vinos This post features a chapter from my new book Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun’s Surprising Role. The book provides a large body of evidence supporting that changes in the poleward transport of heat are one of the main ways in which the planet's climate changes naturally. It also shows that changes in solar activity affect this transport, restoring the Sun as a major cause of global warming. Since climate models do not properly represent heat transport and the IPCC reports completely neglect this process, this new hypothesis will not be easily dismissed. I am sure that over time it will lead to a better understanding of how the climate changes naturally, and hopefully less climate hysteria. Continue reading Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun’s Surprising Role

The Sun has a lot to do about Earth climate. The Sun has absolutely nothing to do with Earth climate CHANGE....

Cite one thing the SUN changes on Earth....

 

[Robert W]

The Sun has a lot to do about Earth climate. The Sun has absolutely nothing to do with Earth climate CHANGE....

Cite one thing the SUN changes on Earth....

What do you mean Earth Climate?

But to deal with your question, are you saying when we shift from Summer to Winter the sun plays no role at all?

 

[Crick]

What do you mean Earth Climate?

But to deal with your question, are you saying when we shift from Summer to Winter the sun plays no role at all?

Robert W talking to EMH. I think that might lead to some sort of cosmic quantum happenstance. And Robert, I'd still like to hear why you think I'm going to be in a world of hurt when the Democrats are unable to "manage" the global climate.

 

[EMH]

What do you mean Earth Climate?

But to deal with your question, are you saying when we shift from Summer to Winter the sun plays no role at all?

Summer to Winter actually involves the tilt of the Earth axis, not the Sun. The Sun is CONSTANT and hence has ZERO, NOTHING, to do with Earth Climate CHANGE, which is 99% about where Land is.... and land moves.

 

[Robert W]

Summer to Winter actually involves the tilt of the Earth axis, not the Sun. The Sun is CONSTANT and hence has ZERO, NOTHING, to do with Earth Climate CHANGE, which is 99% about where Land is.... and land moves.

That is correct. About the tilt. But absent the Sun, the Earth does not have the warming and chilling cycle. So the Sun drives climate. Sure the land moves slightly. As a pilot we also studied that. This was in connection to the location of the Magnetic poles.

Anyway, we are not in some mortal danger as the Democrats persist in saying. Carbon Dioxide also is not a pollutant as decided by scientists rather than some politicians decisions.

If this was not so controversial over predictions of planet death, with Democrats essentially claiming man runs climate, it would be amusing.

 

[Robert W]

Robert W talking to EMH. I think that might lead to some sort of cosmic quantum happenstance. And Robert, I'd still like to hear why you think I'm going to be in a world of hurt when the Democrats are unable to "manage" the global climate.

Their predictions amounts to a late planet earth due to the alleged blame of man. Yet why don't Democrats simply say man manages climate and can fix this?

 

[EMH]

So the Sun drives climate.

"dictates" the climate


Co2 does absolutely nothing.

Earth is not warming.


Earth climate is dictated by ice. 90% of Earth is is on Antarctica. 7% on Greenland.

If Earth had two polar oceans, it would have no ice...




Land moves. 125 million years ago South America and Antarctica were stuck to Africa and there was no Atlantic Ocean

 

[Robert W]

"dictates" the climate


Co2 does absolutely nothing.

Earth is not warming.


Earth climate is dictated by ice. 90% of Earth is is on Antarctica. 7% on Greenland.

If Earth had two polar oceans, it would have no ice...




Land moves. 125 million years ago South America and Antarctica were stuck to Africa and there was no Atlantic Ocean

We know where the heat comes from. And most discount the heat contained in the planet, but that too has an impact. Man does next to nothing. Even the amount of CO2 very microscopic. It is so small the measurement is parts in the millions. Were it severe, it would be like parts in a hundred perhaps. Ice is an important factor as you say.

 

[Crick]

We know where the heat comes from.

Well, most of us know where it comes from.

And most discount the heat contained in the planet

Scientists don't.

but that too has an impact.

Yes, but that has not been increasing since the Industrial Revolution.

Man does next to nothing.

Then what is causing the warming Robert?

Even the amount of CO2 very microscopic. It is so small the measurement is parts in the millions.

Before the Industrial Revolution it was 280 ppm and had not exceeded 300 ppm in a million years. Now it is roughly 420 ppm, a 50% increase. It hasn't been this high in over TEN million years. And, of course, it is still rising.

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Were it severe, it would be like parts in a hundred perhaps.

What is the basis for that claim? You keep throwing around numbers but you never seem to validate them in any way.

Ice is an important factor as you say.

Yes. It's CO-O-O-O-LD.

 

[EMH]

We know where the heat comes from. And most discount the heat contained in the planet, but that too has an impact. Man does next to nothing. Even the amount of CO2 very microscopic. It is so small the measurement is parts in the millions. Were it severe, it would be like parts in a hundred perhaps. Ice is an important factor as you say.

We have two and only two measures of atmospheric temps = satellites and balloons.

Both showed NO WARMING in the atmosphere despite rising Co2 before being FUDGED in 2005.

Co2 does NOTHING. We could increase atmospheric Co2 10 fold and IT WOULD STILL DO NOTHING.

 

[Crick]

We have two and only two measures of atmospheric temps = satellites and balloons.

Did we forget the thousands of thermometers in thousands of weather stations around the planet?

Both showed NO WARMING in the atmosphere despite rising Co2 before being FUDGED in 2005.

The people who created the data you rely on have themselves admitted that it was wrong. They have never even hinted that they were forced to make that admission by anything other than the facts. They are both famous AGW deniers with senior academic positions getting very close to retiring. They have no more promotions in their future. They have absolutely no reason to lie about any of it. They are both pariah to the science community and its not as if they're going to ruin their reputations. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD LIE ABOUT THOSE DATA?

Co2 does NOTHING. We could increase atmospheric Co2 10 fold and IT WOULD STILL DO NOTHING.

Why not?

 

[EMH]

Did we forget the thousands of thermometers in thousands of weather stations around the planet?

Confusing surface ground with atmosphere?

LOL!!!

people who created the data

A truly Freudian slip by a Co2 Fraud die hard. PEOPLE DO NOT CREATE DATA. THAT IS FUDGE. DATA COMES FROM INSTRUMENTS....

Highly correlated satellite and balloon data showed NO WARMING in the atmosphere despite rising Co2, before your side FUDGED BOTH in 2005 with absolutely laughable bullshit....

 

[Crick]

Confusing surface ground with atmosphere?

LOL!!!

You don't know how thermometers work?!?!

A truly Freudian slip by a Co2 Fraud die hard. PEOPLE DO NOT CREATE DATA. THAT IS FUDGE. DATA COMES FROM INSTRUMENTS....

Highly correlated satellite and balloon data showed NO WARMING in the atmosphere despite rising Co2, before your side FUDGED BOTH in 2005 with absolutely laughable bullshit....

You, no shit, not kidding, dead serious, need to find yourself some sort of mental health professional dude.

 

[Dagosa]

If you want to understand Climate, please check with Judith Curry's excellent site @ JudithCurry.com

She is not a blabber mouth. She allows scientists to discuss topics on her site.

Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun’s Surprising Role

Discover how the Sun plays a surprising role in solving the climate puzzle. Learn more on Judith Curry's blog about climate science insights.

judithcurry.com

Climate Etc. Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun’s Surprising Role​ curryja Nov 4 Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun's Surprising Role​ by Javier Vinos This post features a chapter from my new book Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun’s Surprising Role. The book provides a large body of evidence supporting that changes in the poleward transport of heat are one of the main ways in which the planet's climate changes naturally. It also shows that changes in solar activity affect this transport, restoring the Sun as a major cause of global warming. Since climate models do not properly represent heat transport and the IPCC reports completely neglect this process, this new hypothesis will not be easily dismissed. I am sure that over time it will lead to a better understanding of how the climate changes naturally, and hopefully less climate hysteria. Continue reading Solving the Climate Puzzle: The Sun’s Surprising Role

Mighty brave of her to allow anything.