The Solar Swindle

[g5000]

See, this is what happens when you allow Congress to fuck with the tax code through tax expenditures. You can't whine about the other guy getting tax expenditures when your guy is getting even more of them.

Ban all tax expenditures. Period.

 

[g5000]

Nuclear power should not have been an option as it creates a by product with a half life of 5000 years, can you imagine the cost of keep up that up for 5000 years?

This is a bogus argument which assumes we will be stumped for the next 5,000 years about what to do with nuclear waste.

 

[Kosh]

Nuclear power should not have been an option as it creates a by product with a half life of 5000 years, can you imagine the cost of keep up that up for 5000 years?

This is a bogus argument which assumes we will be stumped for the next 5,000 years about what to do with nuclear waste.

Ok show the plans and the cost projections for the next 5000 years to up keep this waste.

 

[Mustang]

Not at all, we should be using solar, but it should be fiscally viable on its own.

BTW, solar only works when the sun is out----------let us know how you make on the first night flight on a solar airplane.

Both active and passive solar power are not meant to completely replace any and all other forms of power. They augment them so we're not required to rely 100% on those other power sources. But they end up paying for themselves over a relatively short period of time, and people can actually sell excess power back to the electric company for credit on their bill. That's not a bad deal when you think about it. Imagine coming back from a vacation and finding out your solar panels were making you money while you were away, or that your solar panels are doing the same thing for you during the day when nobody is home. Your furnace is never going to do that for you, is it?

All that is true and great. Someday I hope it will be a reality. Let private capital work on it, let the profit motive drive innovation and we will get there. Get the incompetent govt out of it.

Your interstate road system wasn't built with private capital. Neither were plenty of other public works projects which benefit both you, your neighbors, and businesses all across this country, both directly and indirectly.

 

[Kosh]

Both active and passive solar power are not meant to completely replace any and all other forms of power. They augment them so we're not required to rely 100% on those other power sources. But they end up paying for themselves over a relatively short period of time, and people can actually sell excess power back to the electric company for credit on their bill. That's not a bad deal when you think about it. Imagine coming back from a vacation and finding out your solar panels were making you money while you were away, or that your solar panels are doing the same thing for you during the day when nobody is home. Your furnace is never going to do that for you, is it?

All that is true and great. Someday I hope it will be a reality. Let private capital work on it, let the profit motive drive innovation and we will get there. Get the incompetent govt out of it.

Your interstate road system wasn't built with private capital. Neither were plenty of other public works projects which benefit both you, your neighbors, and businesses all across this country, both directly and indirectly.

I guess that you will ignore that the bulk of the US infrastructure was built during WWII and the great military industrial complex funded much of what you use today. Yet the far left wants to do away with it.

Then again much of medical knowledge of that time and advancements came after seizing the Nazi medical experiments on segments of it's population.

The hypocrisy of the far left knows no bounds.

 

[bripat9643]

Both active and passive solar power are not meant to completely replace any and all other forms of power. They augment them so we're not required to rely 100% on those other power sources. But they end up paying for themselves over a relatively short period of time, and people can actually sell excess power back to the electric company for credit on their bill. That's not a bad deal when you think about it. Imagine coming back from a vacation and finding out your solar panels were making you money while you were away, or that your solar panels are doing the same thing for you during the day when nobody is home. Your furnace is never going to do that for you, is it?

All that is true and great. Someday I hope it will be a reality. Let private capital work on it, let the profit motive drive innovation and we will get there. Get the incompetent govt out of it.

Your interstate road system wasn't built with private capital. Neither were plenty of other public works projects which benefit both you, your neighbors, and businesses all across this country, both directly and indirectly.

The interstate highway system is a huge boondoggle that put a perfectly serviceable private railroad system out of business. It did not benefit the taxpayers.

Most "public works projects" could easily be financed privately if they are economically desirable. The empirical evidence discredits your belief that only government can do such things

 

[g5000]

Nuclear power should not have been an option as it creates a by product with a half life of 5000 years, can you imagine the cost of keep up that up for 5000 years?

This is a bogus argument which assumes we will be stumped for the next 5,000 years about what to do with nuclear waste.

Ok show the plans and the cost projections for the next 5000 years to up keep this waste.

You have a reading comprehension problem, I see.

 

[Kosh]

This is a bogus argument which assumes we will be stumped for the next 5,000 years about what to do with nuclear waste.

Ok show the plans and the cost projections for the next 5000 years to up keep this waste.

You have a reading comprehension problem, I see.

Can you post this information or not?

 

[Mustang]

All that is true and great. Someday I hope it will be a reality. Let private capital work on it, let the profit motive drive innovation and we will get there. Get the incompetent govt out of it.

Your interstate road system wasn't built with private capital. Neither were plenty of other public works projects which benefit both you, your neighbors, and businesses all across this country, both directly and indirectly.

The interstate highway system is a huge boondoggle that put a perfectly serviceable private railroad system out of business. It did not benefit the taxpayers.

Most "public works projects" could easily be financed privately if they are economically desirable. The empirical evidence discredits your belief that only government can do such things

LOL! What are you TALKING about? What private road system? To my knowledge, the roads have always been built, maintained, operated, and policed by gov't of one form or another with the exception of roads built on private land which the owner has every right to prevent the general public from using by blocking their access. That generally includes ranches and farms, etc.

 

[Old Rocks]

All that is true and great. Someday I hope it will be a reality. Let private capital work on it, let the profit motive drive innovation and we will get there. Get the incompetent govt out of it.

Your interstate road system wasn't built with private capital. Neither were plenty of other public works projects which benefit both you, your neighbors, and businesses all across this country, both directly and indirectly.

The interstate highway system is a huge boondoggle that put a perfectly serviceable private railroad system out of business. It did not benefit the taxpayers.

Most "public works projects" could easily be financed privately if they are economically desirable. The empirical evidence discredits your belief that only government can do such things

Our dumb fuck once again demonstrates the depths of his ignorance. How do you think the original cross continental railroad was built? Not with private money. And there were massive gifts of land to the railroads to get them to build.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If you have a house or property where you can install a south facing group of panels, you can not only provide for all your own power in your home, you can also provide the fuel for your EV. Now that is a real step toward economic independence. Of course, that is something our 'Conservatives' do not want to see at all. They much prefer to give their money away to the 1%.

The problem being the thirty to forty grand needed to set it up.

 

[Old Rocks]

If you have a house or property where you can install a south facing group of panels, you can not only provide for all your own power in your home, you can also provide the fuel for your EV. Now that is a real step toward economic independence. Of course, that is something our 'Conservatives' do not want to see at all. They much prefer to give their money away to the 1%.

The problem being the thirty to forty grand needed to set it up.

Only if you are a helpless dip that cannot work with your hands. Otherwise, less than 10K for a 5 kw system, less than 18K for a 10 kw system. And going down monthly.

 

[Old Rocks]

Nuclear power should not have been an option as it creates a by product with a half life of 5000 years, can you imagine the cost of keep up that up for 5000 years?

This is a bogus argument which assumes we will be stumped for the next 5,000 years about what to do with nuclear waste.

Actually there is work ongoing on gen 5 nukes that would actually 'burn' this waste, with waste products with 5 year or less half lives. Were we storing our waste in dry casks storage, we would not only have a much safer nuclear industry, but have a great deal of fuel for the future easily accessable.

 

[Moonglow]

The AGW cult has been claiming for decades the Solar Energy is almost as economical as conventional sources of power. Don't believe a word of it. One thing you always have to remember about libturds is that they have no qualms about lying if they think it will advance their agenda:

American Thinker- Print Article

Solar electricity is growing, promoted, and most importantly, heavily subsidized. The promoters of solar electricity claim that it is close to being competitive with conventional sources of electricity. That is a fantasy.

Solar electricity is expensive and impractical. If it weren't for government subsidies, some explicit and some disguised, the solar industry would collapse. The many claims of competitiveness are always based on ignoring subsidies provided to politically correct renewable power, ignoring the costs associated with unreliability, and ignoring the cost of backup fossil fuel plants.

An example of a hidden subsidy is the California Renewable Portfolio Standard that mandates utilities to obtain 33% of their energy from so-called renewable sources by 2020. This mandate forces utilities to contract for expensive sources of energy, such as solar. The cost is passed on to the utility customers with the connivance of the government. Although the motivation behind the California scheme is to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, politically incorrect sources of CO2-free electricity, such as nuclear and large-scale hydroelectric, can't be counted as renewable.

People whose knowledge of electricity production ends at their wall outlet are dictating national energy policy. Magical thinking by hopelessly ignorant political activists permeates the alternative energy universe.

How much does electricity from conventional sources cost? If I look at my ComEd (Chicago) bill, the charge for electricity is about 5 cents per kilowatt-hour (KWH). Additional charges for delivering the electricity and various taxes increase the total to about 10 cents per KWH. This is electricity mainly from coal, nuclear, and natural gas. Electricity is available at the plant gate in much of the U.S. for about 5 cents per KWH.​

Tell those in space stations that solar is a scam. I bet you get an ear full.

 

[Moonglow]

If you have a house or property where you can install a south facing group of panels, you can not only provide for all your own power in your home, you can also provide the fuel for your EV. Now that is a real step toward economic independence. Of course, that is something our 'Conservatives' do not want to see at all. They much prefer to give their money away to the 1%.

The problem being the thirty to forty grand needed to set it up.

Only if you are a helpless dip that cannot work with your hands. Otherwise, less than 10K for a 5 kw system, less than 18K for a 10 kw system. And going down monthly.

Yep

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If you have a house or property where you can install a south facing group of panels, you can not only provide for all your own power in your home, you can also provide the fuel for your EV. Now that is a real step toward economic independence. Of course, that is something our 'Conservatives' do not want to see at all. They much prefer to give their money away to the 1%.

The problem being the thirty to forty grand needed to set it up.

Only if you are a helpless dip that cannot work with your hands. Otherwise, less than 10K for a 5 kw system, less than 18K for a 10 kw system. And going down monthly.

What ..? Like Pajama boy and most liberal pansies?

 

[Old Rocks]

The problem being the thirty to forty grand needed to set it up.

Only if you are a helpless dip that cannot work with your hands. Otherwise, less than 10K for a 5 kw system, less than 18K for a 10 kw system. And going down monthly.

What ..? Like Pajama boy and most liberal pansies?

Oh yeh. Care to follow this 70 year old lib around? Bet your lazy couldn't do it. Two twelve hour days Saturday and Sunday. Tomorrow and New Years Day, ten hour days. Millwright in a steel mill.

You are the one posting big numbers as if there is no alternative. You fellows post this shit and then expect the rest of us just to believe your numbers. And when we look up those numbers, find they are bogus, you post shit like the 'pajama boy' referance. Mentally, you must be a retarded 13 year old.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Only if you are a helpless dip that cannot work with your hands. Otherwise, less than 10K for a 5 kw system, less than 18K for a 10 kw system. And going down monthly.

What ..? Like Pajama boy and most liberal pansies?

Oh yeh. Care to follow this 70 year old lib around? Bet your lazy couldn't do it. Two twelve hour days Saturday and Sunday. Tomorrow and New Years Day, ten hour days. Millwright in a steel mill.

You are the one posting big numbers as if there is no alternative. You fellows post this shit and then expect the rest of us just to believe your numbers. And when we look up those numbers, find they are bogus, you post shit like the 'pajama boy' referance. Mentally, you must be a retarded 13 year old.

Boy! It must really suck to be you,working at 70? I was done at 46.
Stupid liberal.....
As far as following a union member around? I dont see how walking to the break room every half hour would be considered exhausting. But at seventy I guess it might be.

 

[bripat9643]

Your interstate road system wasn't built with private capital. Neither were plenty of other public works projects which benefit both you, your neighbors, and businesses all across this country, both directly and indirectly.

The interstate highway system is a huge boondoggle that put a perfectly serviceable private railroad system out of business. It did not benefit the taxpayers.

Most "public works projects" could easily be financed privately if they are economically desirable. The empirical evidence discredits your belief that only government can do such things

LOL! What are you TALKING about? What private road system? To my knowledge, the roads have always been built, maintained, operated, and policed by gov't of one form or another with the exception of roads built on private land which the owner has every right to prevent the general public from using by blocking their access. That generally includes ranches and farms, etc.

I said "private RAILROAD system," moron. A number of private toll roads were built before the automakers conned state and local governments into building them.

 

[elektra]

I see the far left posters are at it again:

Solar power is not a viable alternative to oil, natural gas, coal. The average recuperation of the solar panels on a house is close to 30 years. Not to mention that there are environmental groups that are opposed to large solar farms.

Wind power is not a viable alternative to oil, natural gas, coal. The average recuperation is 25 years pending on how big and how many turbines are set up. These are only good in windy areas and once again there are environmentalists are against this.

Wave power is not a viable alternative to oil, natural gas, coal. The costs vary and the recuperation costs vary pending the size and area it they are set up in. And once again there environmental groups opposed to this.

Hydro-electric power is another avenue that is not a viable alternative to oil, natural gas, coal. The recuperation costs are around 50+ years pending the size of the damn. And once again there environmental groups opposed to this.

I see the one far left poster in particular mention the Tesla battery, well those batteries are very harmful to the environment. These cares are limited on the miles it can be driven between charges. And once again there are environmentalists are against this.

Nuclear power should not have been an option as it creates a by product with a half life of 5000 years, can you imagine the cost of keep up that up for 5000 years? Not to mention if something bad ever happens the devastation it causes. Many environmentalists are against this, but not as much as all the other forms of energy combined.

Gasoline could be manufactured better to be more efficient and cleaner burning, except that the far left is against lifting the draconian laws put in place to allow tis to happen. So they go to the car manufactures and tell them to adapt the cars to the inefficient way the US makes fuel. Even back in the eighties the Oil companies told congress that they could make the product more efficient and burn cleaner, the far left house run by Tip O'Neil said NO! This later came up once again when the AGW farce was being heard before congress when the Hack James Hansen was presenting his religious belief as science. And once again there environmental groups opposed to this.

Natural gas is a clean and efficient way to power and heat buildings. The methods for gather natural gas have always be in question by the more radical environmental groups, but so far all the money they have spent trying to demonize this industry have shown it is about a belief and not any facts. And once again there environmental groups opposed to this.

Many of the so called alternative energy sources can help supplement energy, but is no where close to replacement. There will be little advancement in these areas. especially in solar and wind as many cash strapped governments have shut down their alternative energy projects in favor of their over bloated social programs.

Commercial Nuclear power waste

First and foremost it can be recycled, used again, like in France. Zero problems. Its called Breeder reactors.

Second we have tens of thousands of tons of Commercial Nuclear waste stored above ground in the USA with zero problems. Over 55 years of Spent Nuclear fuel.

Third, spent nuclear fuel is transferred across the USA all the time, every year, for decades. Zero problems.