The "social contract" that doesn't exist

[DiamondDave]

Truthsplatters... who left this twatsicle back in here??

And she's back posting the same old shit which does not substantiate her claim whatsoever...

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, you could not continue forever, Rott.

Your lies do. N. C. is a Red State, for example.

Fire him, friend: he is making people reject his far right philosophy.

Fakey, you really are one stupid *****.

James B hunt, dimocrap scumbag, was guvner of NC from 1993 to 2001.

Mike Easley, dimocrap duche, was gubner of NC from 2001 to 2009.

Beverly Perdue, dimocrap excuse for a female, was governator from 2009 to 2013.

In 2008, NC went for the lying ********** in chief, barack HUSSEIN obama.

Try not being such a lazy *****, Fakey. Do a little research

But.... You're a dimocrap. 'Work' is an unknown to you

Check all the elections from 2009 on in NC: red, red, red.

It may be the most Red state in the Union.

You are so easy to toy with.

 

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In the past, Republicans thought that the market ought to set wages, and that a combination of government devices—including the earned-income tax credit, housing subsidies, food stamps, Medicaid, and other social-welfare programs—could fill in the gaps to make that social contract work, while also trying to remove disincentives from work via welfare reform.

The Moral and Economic Case for Raising the Minimum Wage

Three points to make here:

• How is it possible that the left is incapable of comprehending that if the minimum wage for flipping a burger goes up 20%, the cost of the burger goes up 20%, which means the cost of shipping that burger to each store goes up 20%, which means the cost of electricity goes up 20%, which means the minimum wage worker is no further ahead than they were before the minimum wage went up 20%? I'm literally astounded by the left's ignorant belief that every action occurs in a vacuum. This is basic stuff that even small children understand.
  
  
• The solution to the problem is pretty damn simple. Stop subsidizing the failure of the individual. If they can't put food on their table, there are 6 mechanisms of safety nets to ensure food gets there that do not include government. If 6 safety nets are not enough, well, then you were destined to go hungry. Just accept it and move on (and we all know that will NEVER happen with 6 safety nets, but that won't stop the liberals on USMB from making outrageous scenario's where those safety nets aren't enough).
  
  
• Once again we see the left literally make stuff up out of thin air. What "social contract"?!? I've never seen one. And I sure as hell never signed one.

Yeah the Burgers in Oregon and Washington are $17 bucks for a whopper.

Wait, no they arent but Oregon and Washington has the highest min wage in the US? Hows that possible?

 

[bripat9643]

In the past, Republicans thought that the market ought to set wages, and that a combination of government devices—including the earned-income tax credit, housing subsidies, food stamps, Medicaid, and other social-welfare programs—could fill in the gaps to make that social contract work, while also trying to remove disincentives from work via welfare reform.

The Moral and Economic Case for Raising the Minimum Wage

Three points to make here:

• How is it possible that the left is incapable of comprehending that if the minimum wage for flipping a burger goes up 20%, the cost of the burger goes up 20%, which means the cost of shipping that burger to each store goes up 20%, which means the cost of electricity goes up 20%, which means the minimum wage worker is no further ahead than they were before the minimum wage went up 20%? I'm literally astounded by the left's ignorant belief that every action occurs in a vacuum. This is basic stuff that even small children understand.
  
  
• The solution to the problem is pretty damn simple. Stop subsidizing the failure of the individual. If they can't put food on their table, there are 6 mechanisms of safety nets to ensure food gets there that do not include government. If 6 safety nets are not enough, well, then you were destined to go hungry. Just accept it and move on (and we all know that will NEVER happen with 6 safety nets, but that won't stop the liberals on USMB from making outrageous scenario's where those safety nets aren't enough).
  
  
• Once again we see the left literally make stuff up out of thin air. What "social contract"?!? I've never seen one. And I sure as hell never signed one.

Yeah the Burgers in Oregon and Washington are $17 bucks for a whopper.

Wait, no they arent but Oregon and Washington has the highest min wage in the US? Hows that possible?

If the minimum wage increases to $15.00, the price of a burger will not go to $17.00. However, the price will probably double or triple. That means a lot fewer people will be buying fast food. People will pay $4.00 for a big mack, but not $8.00 or $12.00. Why would anyone buy fast food for lunch if it costs more than a restaurant meal? that means fast food companies will start laying off workers in droves. That's a great way to help people with no skills, isn't it?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I wouldn't buy a big mack even if it cost .29 cents; all fast food is tasteless except for the taste of salt, and in some cases days old grease.

Of course none of this relates to the Social Contract, a theory of governing which is reflected in the Preamble to our Constitution:

"We The People ...", come on folks, you know it now think about it, how unique it is, and as a vision statement for goals our elected and appointed officials have yet to meet.

 

[ClosedCaption]

In the past, Republicans thought that the market ought to set wages, and that a combination of government devices—including the earned-income tax credit, housing subsidies, food stamps, Medicaid, and other social-welfare programs—could fill in the gaps to make that social contract work, while also trying to remove disincentives from work via welfare reform.

The Moral and Economic Case for Raising the Minimum Wage

Three points to make here:

• How is it possible that the left is incapable of comprehending that if the minimum wage for flipping a burger goes up 20%, the cost of the burger goes up 20%, which means the cost of shipping that burger to each store goes up 20%, which means the cost of electricity goes up 20%, which means the minimum wage worker is no further ahead than they were before the minimum wage went up 20%? I'm literally astounded by the left's ignorant belief that every action occurs in a vacuum. This is basic stuff that even small children understand.
  
  
• The solution to the problem is pretty damn simple. Stop subsidizing the failure of the individual. If they can't put food on their table, there are 6 mechanisms of safety nets to ensure food gets there that do not include government. If 6 safety nets are not enough, well, then you were destined to go hungry. Just accept it and move on (and we all know that will NEVER happen with 6 safety nets, but that won't stop the liberals on USMB from making outrageous scenario's where those safety nets aren't enough).
  
  
• Once again we see the left literally make stuff up out of thin air. What "social contract"?!? I've never seen one. And I sure as hell never signed one.

Yeah the Burgers in Oregon and Washington are $17 bucks for a whopper.

Wait, no they arent but Oregon and Washington has the highest min wage in the US? Hows that possible?

If the minimum wage increases to $15.00, the price of a burger will not go to $17.00. However, the price will probably double or triple. That means a lot fewer people will be buying fast food. People will pay $4.00 for a big mack, but not $8.00 or $12.00. Why would anyone buy fast food for lunch if it costs more than a restaurant meal? that means fast food companies will start laying off workers in droves. That's a great way to help people with no skills, isn't it?

Except the Min wage now is the highest in the US and they havent seen those dreaded increases you keep screaming about. Why not? Magic?

 

[bripat9643]

I wouldn't buy a big mack even if it cost .29 cents; all fast food is tasteless except for the taste of salt, and in some cases days old grease.

Whether you like Big Macs isn't relevant to anything. Noe one cares what you like. The bottom line is that raising the minimum wage will cause unemployment among the people who can least afford it.

Of course none of this relates to the Social Contract, a theory of governing which is reflected in the Preamble to our Constitution:

"We The People ...", come on folks, you know it now think about it, how unique it is, and as a vision statement for goals our elected and appointed officials have yet to meet.

The preamble doesn't mention any so-called "social contract." Furthermore, the preamble is just propaganda. It has no relevance to anything tangible.

Even if the Founding Fathers believed in something called a "social contract," that wouldn't prove it actually exists.

Without proof, any claims about the "social contract" are just so much eye-wash.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah the Burgers in Oregon and Washington are $17 bucks for a whopper.

Wait, no they arent but Oregon and Washington has the highest min wage in the US? Hows that possible?

If the minimum wage increases to $15.00, the price of a burger will not go to $17.00. However, the price will probably double or triple. That means a lot fewer people will be buying fast food. People will pay $4.00 for a big mack, but not $8.00 or $12.00. Why would anyone buy fast food for lunch if it costs more than a restaurant meal? that means fast food companies will start laying off workers in droves. That's a great way to help people with no skills, isn't it?

Except the Min wage now is the highest in the US and they havent seen those dreaded increases you keep screaming about. Why not? Magic?

No one has ever said that increases in unemployment will be massive. However, they will be among people who can least afford it.

Furthermore, only idiots believe you can isolate the affects of one government policy from all the other government policies and factors affect some economic variable.

 

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If the minimum wage increases to $15.00, the price of a burger will not go to $17.00. However, the price will probably double or triple. That means a lot fewer people will be buying fast food. People will pay $4.00 for a big mack, but not $8.00 or $12.00. Why would anyone buy fast food for lunch if it costs more than a restaurant meal? that means fast food companies will start laying off workers in droves. That's a great way to help people with no skills, isn't it?

Except the Min wage now is the highest in the US and they havent seen those dreaded increases you keep screaming about. Why not? Magic?

No one has ever said that increases in unemployment will be massive. However, they will be among people who can least afford it.

Furthermore, only idiots believe you can isolate the affects of one government policy from all the other government policies and factors affect some economic variable.

I was referring to price increases.

 

[Faun]

so you think cheating in elections is warrented because your too stupid to figure out how to leave a country you hate?

Democrats are the only ones who have ever been caught cheating, asshole.

Tell that joke to Jeb Bush who got caught trying to create a felons list which didn't include Hispanic felons. I'm sure he'll get a good laugh too.

 

[Listening]

I wouldn't buy a big mack even if it cost .29 cents; all fast food is tasteless except for the taste of salt, and in some cases days old grease.

Whether you like Big Macs isn't relevant to anything. Noe one cares what you like. The bottom line is that raising the minimum wage will cause unemployment among the people who can least afford it.

Of course none of this relates to the Social Contract, a theory of governing which is reflected in the Preamble to our Constitution:

"We The People ...", come on folks, you know it now think about it, how unique it is, and as a vision statement for goals our elected and appointed officials have yet to meet.

The preamble doesn't mention any so-called "social contract." Furthermore, the preamble is just propaganda. It has no relevance to anything tangible.

Even if the Founding Fathers believed in something called a "social contract," that wouldn't prove it actually exists.

Without proof, any claims about the "social contract" are just so much eye-wash.

Again, the "social contract" they envisioned was not what people call it today.

Jay said we bind together to preserve rights. That is it.

He didn't say we are responsible to feed each other.

 

[Faun]

If the minimum wage increases to $15.00, the price of a burger will not go to $17.00. However, the price will probably double or triple. That means a lot fewer people will be buying fast food. People will pay $4.00 for a big mack, but not $8.00 or $12.00. Why would anyone buy fast food for lunch if it costs more than a restaurant meal? that means fast food companies will start laying off workers in droves. That's a great way to help people with no skills, isn't it?

Except the Min wage now is the highest in the US and they havent seen those dreaded increases you keep screaming about. Why not? Magic?

No one has ever said that increases in unemployment will be massive. However, they will be among people who can least afford it.

Furthermore, only idiots believe you can isolate the affects of one government policy from all the other government policies and factors affect some economic variable.

As if you give a shit about those people. But fear not, they'll be just fine. Brain-dead Conservative predictions of doom and gloom if the minimum wage gets raised have never come through to fruition.

 

[bripat9643]

so you think cheating in elections is warrented because your too stupid to figure out how to leave a country you hate?

Democrats are the only ones who have ever been caught cheating, asshole.

Tell that joke to Jeb Bush who got caught trying to create a felons list which didn't include Hispanic felons. I'm sure he'll get a good laugh too.

How is that illegal?

 

[bripat9643]

Except the Min wage now is the highest in the US and they havent seen those dreaded increases you keep screaming about. Why not? Magic?

No one has ever said that increases in unemployment will be massive. However, they will be among people who can least afford it.

Furthermore, only idiots believe you can isolate the affects of one government policy from all the other government policies and factors affect some economic variable.

As if you give a shit about those people. But fear not, they'll be just fine. Brain-dead Conservative predictions of doom and gloom if the minimum wage gets raised have never come through to fruition.

Anyone who doesn't care about people at the bottom of the income ladder being unemployed doesn't give a shit about people. He only cares about his agenda.

 

[bripat9643]

I wouldn't buy a big mack even if it cost .29 cents; all fast food is tasteless except for the taste of salt, and in some cases days old grease.

Whether you like Big Macs isn't relevant to anything. Noe one cares what you like. The bottom line is that raising the minimum wage will cause unemployment among the people who can least afford it.

Of course none of this relates to the Social Contract, a theory of governing which is reflected in the Preamble to our Constitution:

"We The People ...", come on folks, you know it now think about it, how unique it is, and as a vision statement for goals our elected and appointed officials have yet to meet.

The preamble doesn't mention any so-called "social contract." Furthermore, the preamble is just propaganda. It has no relevance to anything tangible.

Even if the Founding Fathers believed in something called a "social contract," that wouldn't prove it actually exists.

Without proof, any claims about the "social contract" are just so much eye-wash.

Again, the "social contract" they envisioned was not what people call it today.

Jay said we bind together to preserve rights. That is it.

He didn't say we are responsible to feed each other.

Whatever it is, calling it a "contract" is deception since that implies we all agreed to it.

 

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Whether you like Big Macs isn't relevant to anything. Noe one cares what you like. The bottom line is that raising the minimum wage will cause unemployment among the people who can least afford it.



The preamble doesn't mention any so-called "social contract." Furthermore, the preamble is just propaganda. It has no relevance to anything tangible.

Even if the Founding Fathers believed in something called a "social contract," that wouldn't prove it actually exists.

Without proof, any claims about the "social contract" are just so much eye-wash.

Again, the "social contract" they envisioned was not what people call it today.

Jay said we bind together to preserve rights. That is it.

He didn't say we are responsible to feed each other.

Whatever it is, calling it a "contract" is deception since that implies we all agreed to it.

Then call it whatever you want and stop crying about it.

Geez...Repubs cry about reality all day. Social Contract wahh! Political Correctness Waaa!

Get off you ass and Change it then. But when you find out you cant control reality you'll go back to crying

 

[Listening]

Whether you like Big Macs isn't relevant to anything. Noe one cares what you like. The bottom line is that raising the minimum wage will cause unemployment among the people who can least afford it.



The preamble doesn't mention any so-called "social contract." Furthermore, the preamble is just propaganda. It has no relevance to anything tangible.

Even if the Founding Fathers believed in something called a "social contract," that wouldn't prove it actually exists.

Without proof, any claims about the "social contract" are just so much eye-wash.

Again, the "social contract" they envisioned was not what people call it today.

Jay said we bind together to preserve rights. That is it.

He didn't say we are responsible to feed each other.

Whatever it is, calling it a "contract" is deception since that implies we all agreed to it.

At the time, they did.

We agreed to be governed. That was it.

A "compact" might be the better term.

 

[Redfish]

Again, the "social contract" they envisioned was not what people call it today.

Jay said we bind together to preserve rights. That is it.

He didn't say we are responsible to feed each other.

Whatever it is, calling it a "contract" is deception since that implies we all agreed to it.

Then call it whatever you want and stop crying about it.

Geez...Repubs cry about reality all day. Social Contract wahh! Political Correctness Waaa!

Get off you ass and Change it then. But when you find out you cant control reality you'll go back to crying

conservative----------you are sick and down on your luck, I will help you get well and back on your feet. After that, you are on your own.

liberal-----you are sick and down on your luck, the government OWES you help for the rest of your life. You are a victim, you are incapable to caring for yourself.

 

[bendog]

The OP is a little out of whack. A 20% rise in min wage would not cause burgers to go up the corresponding amount, nor would it increase the cost of electricity. And that difference in how much the burger flipper (I flipped burgers and don't see why haters such as the OP have to denegrate honest work) makes and how much the burger costs is the heart of rational for the min wage.

And, while economic theorists have posited both for and against the concept of the min wage, from a conservative view of business, the min wage isn't really harmful so long as it is set low enough that the various "safety net" things like EITC and Schips allow wages to remain low enough that it's not too difficult to start up a new biz.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I wouldn't buy a big mack even if it cost .29 cents; all fast food is tasteless except for the taste of salt, and in some cases days old grease.

Whether you like Big Macs isn't relevant to anything. Noe one cares what you like. The bottom line is that raising the minimum wage will cause unemployment among the people who can least afford it.

Of course none of this relates to the Social Contract, a theory of governing which is reflected in the Preamble to our Constitution:

"We The People ...", come on folks, you know it now think about it, how unique it is, and as a vision statement for goals our elected and appointed officials have yet to meet.

The preamble doesn't mention any so-called "social contract." Furthermore, the preamble is just propaganda. It has no relevance to anything tangible.

Even if the Founding Fathers believed in something called a "social contract," that wouldn't prove it actually exists.

Without proof, any claims about the "social contract" are just so much eye-wash.

Again, the "social contract" they envisioned was not what people call it today.

REALLY? So we can infer the "Arms" mentioned in the Second Amendment and the "Arms" available to citizens today are not what James Madison and George Mason envisioned.

Jay said we bind together to preserve rights. That is it.

He didn't say we are responsible to feed each other.

Are you suggesting John Jay wrote the Preamble? Evidence and wherein he said what you attribute to him, please. I learned Gouverneur Morris, a founding father and signer of both the Article of Confederation and the Constitution wrote the Preamble.