The Serious Stock Market Crash Thread

[Toro]

The stock market is acting just awful, as if it is portending something bad.

We are extremely oversold though, so a bounce may be near.

For all the liberals who were cheerleading the Dow hitting new highs a month ago, this is why you should not do that.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Stock Market is Climbing and Gold is Slipping... Just as I had Planned it.

Let's talk again this time next year.

Gold is Climbing and the Stock Market is Slipping... Just as I had Planned it.

Let's talk again in 5-6 months.

Oh and can someone tell me about "Computerized Trading"? I'm reading stories about how the clear majority of trades on the Stock Market are now done by "High Frequency Trading Computers". Anyone else heard about that?

 

[Trajan]

The stock market is acting just awful, as if it is portending something bad.

We are extremely oversold though, so a bounce may be near.

For all the liberals who were cheerleading the Dow hitting new highs a month ago, this is why you should not do that.

tell Chris, he must haves stared like 6 threads every time it blipped another 100 points...

 

[NYcarbineer]

The stock market is going to have an intermediate term rally in the near future,

and it will likely run through the heart of the campaign.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gold has trended downward about 20% since last fall... If you wait it out, this Correction will complete and you will sit on your gold for a Generation just like those who held out in 1983 did...

2013 is 1983... And it's already started.



peace...

In 30 years you'll either be dead or too old to care where gold is trading.

 

[thomaskent1991]

Stock market is relevant with the business market and business market is relevant to the stock market. If business market does not working good so that business shares and equity would not give the best price and hence it will crash the stock market.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

My concern...is the $quadtrillion derivative market.
The 4 largest banks in the world have $100 trillion "invested" in what has become a HIGHLY speculative market.
If/when the derivative market has a significant adjustment...there is not enough money in the world to pull the banks out of the abyss.
Right now mainstream sources downplay it, or not report on it at all...much like they did in 2007 when the same sources were warning about a mortgage crises.

If the NYSE casino loses a couple derivative bets - fugetaboudit.

 

[saveliberty]

Stock market is relevant with the business market and business market is relevant to the stock market. If business market does not working good so that business shares and equity would not give the best price and hence it will crash the stock market.

That is old school thinking. There is a major disconnect between business and the markets right now. I buy on dips and unload ASAP with small gains (2-5%). Limited market exposure is paramount.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Stock market is relevant with the business market and business market is relevant to the stock market. If business market does not working good so that business shares and equity would not give the best price and hence it will crash the stock market.

That is old school thinking. There is a major disconnect between business and the markets right now. I buy on dips and unload ASAP with small gains (2-5%). Limited market exposure is paramount.

Absolutely.
That is a pre-1980 way of looking at the markets.
Today the NYSE is Las Vegas with better odds.

 

[Trajan]

well time to resurrect this thread for a blurb;


Market Savior? Stocks Might Be 50% Lower Without Fed

A report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York suggests that the bulk of equity returns for more than a decade are due to actions by the US central bank.

Theoretically, the S&P 500 [.SPX 1334.76 -6.69 (-0.5%) ] would be more than 50 percent lower—at the 600 level—if the bullish price action preceding Fed announcements was excluded, the study showed.

Posted on the New York Fed’s web site Wednesday, the study sought out to explain why equities receive such a high premium over less risky assets such as bonds.

What they found was that the Federal Reserve [cnbc explains] has had an outsized impact on equities relative to other asset classes.

For example, the market has a tendency to rise in the 24-hour period before the release of the Fed’s statement on interest rates and the economy, presumably on expectations Chairman Ben Bernanke and his predecessor, Alan Greenspan, would discuss or implement a stimulus measure to lift asset prices.

The FOMC has released eight announcements a year at 2:15 ET since 1994. The study took the gains in the S&P 500 from 2 pm the day before the announcement to 2 pm the day of the statement and subtracted that market move from the S&P 500’s total return over that time span.

Without the gains in anticipation of a positive Fed action, the S&P 500 would stand at just 600 today, rather than above 1300.

more at-




News Headlines

 

[saveliberty]

Friday was a classic new market day. Absolutely no reason for the market to go up other than some major players taking neutral news to cover their shorts. Next week will be a blood bath.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

well time to resurrect this thread for a blurb;


Market Savior? Stocks Might Be 50% Lower Without Fed

A report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York suggests that the bulk of equity returns for more than a decade are due to actions by the US central bank.

Theoretically, the S&P 500 [.SPX 1334.76 -6.69 (-0.5%) ] would be more than 50 percent lower—at the 600 level—if the bullish price action preceding Fed announcements was excluded, the study showed.

Posted on the New York Fed’s web site Wednesday, the study sought out to explain why equities receive such a high premium over less risky assets such as bonds.

What they found was that the Federal Reserve [cnbc explains] has had an outsized impact on equities relative to other asset classes.

For example, the market has a tendency to rise in the 24-hour period before the release of the Fed’s statement on interest rates and the economy, presumably on expectations Chairman Ben Bernanke and his predecessor, Alan Greenspan, would discuss or implement a stimulus measure to lift asset prices.

The FOMC has released eight announcements a year at 2:15 ET since 1994. The study took the gains in the S&P 500 from 2 pm the day before the announcement to 2 pm the day of the statement and subtracted that market move from the S&P 500’s total return over that time span.

Without the gains in anticipation of a positive Fed action, the S&P 500 would stand at just 600 today, rather than above 1300.

more at-




News Headlines

Yeah - but we didn't need an article to tell us this did we?
The government wants the bubble markets to exist just as much as those that profit from it.

 

[Douger]

Hang in there and wait for the war. I'll stick with growing food to supply the cannon fodder.

 

[Toro]

Hang in there and wait for the war. I'll stick with growing food to supply the cannon fodder.

Remember to stock up on gold and canned goods too. It's not a bunker without those.

 

[Trajan]

damn straight

 

[KissMy]

Hang in there and wait for the war. I'll stick with growing food to supply the cannon fodder.

Remember to stock up on gold and canned goods too. It's not a bunker without those.

Stocking up on food is a great idea this year after the bad weather around the world severely damaged the crops this year. Corn, Wheat, Soybeans & Rice have skyrocketed in recent months. Retail food prices are going to follow.

 

[KissMy]

well time to resurrect this thread for a blurb;

Market Savior? Stocks Might Be 50% Lower Without Fed

A report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York suggests that the bulk of equity returns for more than a decade are due to actions by the US central bank.

Theoretically, the S&P 500 [.SPX 1334.76 -6.69 (-0.5%) ] would be more than 50 percent lower—at the 600 level—if the bullish price action preceding Fed announcements was excluded, the study showed.

Posted on the New York Fed’s web site Wednesday, the study sought out to explain why equities receive such a high premium over less risky assets such as bonds.

What they found was that the Federal Reserve [cnbc explains] has had an outsized impact on equities relative to other asset classes.

For example, the market has a tendency to rise in the 24-hour period before the release of the Fed’s statement on interest rates and the economy, presumably on expectations Chairman Ben Bernanke and his predecessor, Alan Greenspan, would discuss or implement a stimulus measure to lift asset prices.

The FOMC has released eight announcements a year at 2:15 ET since 1994. The study took the gains in the S&P 500 from 2 pm the day before the announcement to 2 pm the day of the statement and subtracted that market move from the S&P 500’s total return over that time span.

Without the gains in anticipation of a positive Fed action, the S&P 500 would stand at just 600 today, rather than above 1300.

more at- News Headlines

Never forget that Executive Order 12631 created the President's Working Group on Financial Markets. This allows direct stock market manipulation by all the president's men.

 

[william the wie]

I don't think Obama and Bernancke figured in that the EU would unravel. a crash is likely.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I don't think Obama and Bernancke figured in that the EU would unravel. a crash is likely.

Not to split hairs...but a crash is not "likely" - it is guaranteed. It is grossly over-sold and over invested. It is a matter of time.
It's like watching a drunk guy flirting with a married woman whose 300lb. husband returning from the bathroom is known for a quick temper. You know what is next.
Same with the stock market. I made a thread awhile back showing how ALL of the worlds markets have lost a LOT of value since 2010...most have lost double-digit percentage losses....except America - a 5% gain.
You might as well grab the popcorn, it will happen.

 

[Trajan]

Intel missed their estimates by a smidgen, BUT the news is they dropped their 2012 estimate from 8-9% to 3-5%.....


I have friends there, they have ramped down the Chandler expansion and total capital $$ outlays for the year at 12-13Bn..they are going to pull back.