Zone1 The secret Christians aren’t sharing with you

[Stryder50]

One timeline cannot exist because if we were to go backwards in time infinitely we would never arrive at today. It completely makes no sense.

If creation didn’t begin, there was no creation at all and without an end, there is no beginning.

Time must reset to a previous state, and my death achieves that.

So let me ask you. What is more likely better equipped to reset time? Complex life or the simple and repetitive nature of nonliving things?

Obviously you didn't read much if any on that link to Geminga Scenario. Your reply isn't in context to the substance of that thread.

In all ways your post is silly and inane.
Let's start with "time travel". There are a few threads on that already, let's offer this one;

Time travel to the past ?????​

Here is a copy-paste of a post I made there;
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First you have to get around the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy.

You can change matter into energy, or vice-versa, but you can not add to or subtract from the total amount of energy plus matter in the Universe.

If you go back in time, you have removed a quantity of matter and energy from this "now" universe and added such to that "past' universe.
Most who understand physics will advise that such is impossible.

An example to consider. You ate a big mac burger before your trip back in time. Six months ago the meat pattie was in a cow and the wheat flour for the bun was growing in the field. when you go back in time, does the hamburger remain in your stomach and the cow have a hole where the pattie would have been, the field a gap in the grain stalks OR are the burger ingredients still there in their place and time of origin and you have a vacant void=hole in your gut?

As if that weren't complication enough, if you want to go back in time, say six months ago, then the Earth was on the other side of the Sun from here, and now. So you will have to travel about 184 million miles, +/-.
But that's only part of the physical distance travel portion of the trip. The Sun has moved around the Galaxy center and the Galaxy has moved relative to the universe in those six months so you have some more 3D astrogation to compute and travel.

Want to go back 150 years in the past, then that physical distance part of the equation just grew by billions of miles, not millions.
And that would have to be a near instant speed for the distance, violates that light speed barrier.

It may be fun mental masturbation to think about time travel, but anyone who understands science involved should notice the impossibilities that need to be overcome.
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Just a basic start for you to chew on.

There are a few other complications, such as a physical time travel machine must also be a space ship, but maybe later ....
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As for the "creation" part of your post ....

Most theologies/religions posit that the Creator is eternal, has no beginning nor end, that being the definition of eternal.
BTW, with no need for reproduction as a "species", Creator/GOD/Gawd would be neither a he nor a she. Think: "IT".

Since one can not get something from nothing, than the Cosmos (all of Creation) would have to be from the substance of the Creator and would hence also be eternal - no beginning or ending. Think cyclic, going from Big Bang to Big Collapse, then back to another Big Bang, etc.

This also means that we are also eternal, since we are made from the substance of the Eternal Creator. The way this currently plays out is we have a non-material essence, called a soul (a form of "energy", but not of the 3D Universe form of energy(matter), which occupies a physical body (chemicals, energy, etc.) When that "body" "dies" our soul eventually joins with another body. Think in terms of flesh and blood suit of clothes. Change your clothes, change your body.

Basically YOU don't die, just change bodies and circumstances from one lifetime to another.

Supposedly our Soul Self evolves to a point of transition to another level of existence where we are no longer linked to physical bodies.

Again, a few more details and factors~complications I haven't time for, too many chores and errands to run.

Just throwing a monkey into the wrench for pondering sake.

BTW, your "time reset" doesn't make sense. Either better explanation or something different.

 

[godincarnate.me]

Obviously you didn't read much if any on that link to Geminga Scenario. Your reply isn't in context to the substance of that thread.

In all ways your post is silly and inane.
Let's start with "time travel". There are a few threads on that already, let's offer this one;

Time travel to the past ?????​

Here is a copy-paste of a post I made there;
....
First you have to get around the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy.

You can change matter into energy, or vice-versa, but you can not add to or subtract from the total amount of energy plus matter in the Universe.

If you go back in time, you have removed a quantity of matter and energy from this "now" universe and added such to that "past' universe.
Most who understand physics will advise that such is impossible.

An example to consider. You ate a big mac burger before your trip back in time. Six months ago the meat pattie was in a cow and the wheat flour for the bun was growing in the field. when you go back in time, does the hamburger remain in your stomach and the cow have a hole where the pattie would have been, the field a gap in the grain stalks OR are the burger ingredients still there in their place and time of origin and you have a vacant void=hole in your gut?

As if that weren't complication enough, if you want to go back in time, say six months ago, then the Earth was on the other side of the Sun from here, and now. So you will have to travel about 184 million miles, +/-.
But that's only part of the physical distance travel portion of the trip. The Sun has moved around the Galaxy center and the Galaxy has moved relative to the universe in those six months so you have some more 3D astrogation to compute and travel.

Want to go back 150 years in the past, then that physical distance part of the equation just grew by billions of miles, not millions.
And that would have to be a near instant speed for the distance, violates that light speed barrier.

It may be fun mental masturbation to think about time travel, but anyone who understands science involved should notice the impossibilities that need to be overcome.
...
Just a basic start for you to chew on.

There are a few other complications, such as a physical time travel machine must also be a space ship, but maybe later ....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for the "creation" part of your post ....

Most theologies/religions posit that the Creator is eternal, has no beginning nor end, that being the definition of eternal.
BTW, with no need for reproduction as a "species", Creator/GOD/Gawd would be neither a he nor a she. Think: "IT".

Since one can not get something from nothing, than the Cosmos (all of Creation) would have to be from the substance of the Creator and would hence also be eternal - no beginning or ending. Think cyclic, going from Big Bang to Big Collapse, then back to another Big Bang, etc.

This also means that we are also eternal, since we are made from the substance of the Eternal Creator. The way this currently plays out is we have a non-material essence, called a soul (a form of "energy", but not of the 3D Universe form of energy(matter), which occupies a physical body (chemicals, energy, etc.) When that "body" "dies" our soul eventually joins with another body. Think in terms of flesh and blood suit of clothes. Change your clothes, change your body.

Basically YOU don't die, just change bodies and circumstances from one lifetime to another.

Supposedly our Soul Self evolves to a point of transition to another level of existence where we are no longer linked to physical bodies.

Again, a few more details and factors~complications I haven't time for, too many chores and errands to run.

Just throwing a monkey into the wrench for pondering sake.

BTW, your "time reset" doesn't make sense. Either better explanation or something different.

Time travel? No. Time travel suggests that you would remember where you came from.

Time reset to 1980? Yes. Time reset suggests you won’t remember anything. After all, the whole infinite spatial universe is resetting.

It’s a complete disappearance of all that is when I die and reappearance of all that is when I am five years old. The phrase “time reset” is a simple way to say it.

Time has to be an identical repeat because if not that would imply one timeline. Can time go infinitely backwards? Absolutely not. But u do u.

 

[godincarnate.me]

Stryder50

As I said in the previous post: Time has to be an identically repeating cycle because if it weren’t, that would imply one timeline. Can time go infinitely backwards? Absolutely not.

So let me ask you. What is more likely better equipped to be the catalyst for this to occur? Complex life or the simple and repetitive nature of nonliving things?

 

[Crepitus]

Prior to 1913 American Christians no matter their prejudices were wary of wars. That changed that year. The Federal Reserve Act, the 16th and 17th amendments were passed. Within a couple of years, we were in a foreign war. A higher percentage of Americans were conscientious objectors. The federal reserve than created the roaring twenties and then took the carpet away and put us into the worst depression in human history. We still had immigration from Europe even during the 1930's where fascism/communism was rearing its ugly head. We were ready from the tough living to forget those conscientious objections as Christians after a dozen years of depression and at least 10% of the nation died from it to get into WW 2.

And this has what to do with my post?

Why are you always so wildly off topic?

 

[Stryder50]

Stryder50

As I said in the previous post: Time has to be an identically repeating cycle because if it weren’t, that would imply one timeline. Can time go infinitely backwards? Absolutely not.

So let me ask you. What is more likely better equipped to be the catalyst for this to occur? Complex life or the simple and repetitive nature of nonliving things?

CLUE

I don't accept your premise as true/accurate.
Therefore your question is not valid.
Your proposed answers are also not valid.

Enjoy your delusions, but don't make bank on them.

 

[Meriweather]

There is more than one way. IN fact there are many and you define that yourself how you live and what your life means.

We weren't discussing how many ways there may be, were we. I was responding to your description of Christianity with the Christian perspective.

 

[Hafar1014]

We weren't discussing how many ways there may be, were we. I was responding to your description of Christianity with the Christian perspective

 

[Hafar1014]

There are other perspectives its large workd with different beliefs and there is no true belief. They all are

 

[Meriweather]

There are other perspectives its large workd with different beliefs and there is no true belief. They all are

I see it a bit differently. My analogy is that we are all looking at an infinite picture and none of us have a view of the entire mural. We present the portion we see. Therefore when you insist Jesus did not exist, while that may be true of the portion of infinity you are graced with, it is not the portion of infinity that I am blessed with--and I am accurately presenting that portion with Jesus.

 

[Hafar1014]

I see it a bit differently. My analogy is that we are all looking at an infinite picture and none of us have a view of the entire mural. We present the portion we see. Therefore when you insist Jesus did not exist, while that may be true of the portion of infinity you are graced with, it is not the portion of infinity that I am blessed with--and I am accurately presenting that portion with Jesus.

Jesus exists as a myth an idol. In reality since there is no original sin he cant exist. He cant be god and the son of god. Religions have to make sense. Today dogma doesnt define a religion. Moral values do. Christian moral values work just fine

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus exists as a myth an idol. In reality since there is no original sin he cant exist. He cant be god and the son of god.

I understand that's the portion of infinity you see. I see something different, have tested it, and find it to be true.

 

[hobelim]

When a Christian tells you they believe a man rose from the grave 2000 years ago, is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), what are they really saying? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head.

Don' let what Christians say about Jewish writings divert you from understanding the stories, even the NT, from a Jewish perspective. They spent thousands of years using known literary devices, metaphors, analogies, homonyms, hyperbole, to teach children when most other nations were illiterate knuckle dragging barbarians.

For instance creating a new heaven and a new earth is not about some cosmic catastrophe. Its about social upheaval and change, creating new firmament, common ground, upon which all people of every nation can live together in peace.

The firmament (basis) of heaven is Mosaic law. The new heaven is created by revealing the hidden meaning and purpose of my God in giving the Law that had been lost to time ever since the death of Moses, briefly brought to light by Jesus, and then buried under a mountain of blasphemy by Rome in 325ce, a revelation making all things new, everything from who is righteous and who is a sinner, even right and wrong, good and evil, life and death.

In the new heaven and the new earth a despicable lying pigman like trump is a lowlife at the bottom not the top.

"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."

Can you dig it?

 

[godincarnate.me]

Don' let what Christians say about Jewish writings divert you from understanding the stories, even the NT, from a Jewish perspective. They spent thousands of years using known literary devices, metaphors, analogies, homonyms, hyperbole, to teach children when most other nations were illiterate knuckle dragging barbarians.

For instance creating a new heaven and a new earth is not about some cosmic catastrophe. Its about social upheaval and change, creating new firmament, common ground, upon which all people of every nation can live together in peace.

The firmament (basis) of heaven is Mosaic law. The new heaven is created by revealing the hidden meaning and purpose of my God in giving the Law that had been lost to time ever since the death of Moses, briefly brought to light by Jesus, and then buried under a mountain of blasphemy by Rome in 325ce, a revelation making all things new, everything from who is righteous and who is a sinner, even right and wrong, good and evil, life and death.

"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."

Christians have a different view than Jews

 

[hobelim]

Christians have a different view than Jews

I know. The truth is that Christians who believe that a trinity diddled a virgin to become a perfect human sacrifice to himself, derp, to pay the price for their sins, "The Death", a curse, are as wrong as Jewish people who "believe" that God gives a crap about diet fashion or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds.

 

[godincarnate.me]

I know. The truth is that Christians who believe that a trinity diddled a virgin to become a perfect human sacrifice to himself, derp, to pay the price for their sins, "The Death", a curse, are as wrong as Jewish people who "believe" that God gives a crap about diet fashion or the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds.

So your last comment meant nothing

 

[toobfreak]

Concerning Christ, I'm certain that many followers secretly believe that “Jesus” resides on Earth and that, upon His death, all existence will end and begin again with his "rebirth." Notice Jesus in quotes. The Christian conviction that He is alive in "heaven" now, poised to resurrect the dead and usher in a new Heaven and Earth speaks volumes, in my estimation. In the present day, a man exhibiting a messianic tendency is deemed mentally unsound; yet, for reasons "unknown," Christians do not apply this judgment to Jesus. I surmise that Christianity’s magnitude renders it impervious to scrutiny, and individuals shy away from the prospect of being perceived as irrational for asserting that “Jesus” walks the Earth. Thus, there lies a collective refuge in attributing such divinity to the figure described in the sacred text provided by God.

Dude, you really babble too much. That and the fact that you lack any link to your supposed OP topic, so before a mod comes along and kills your thread, you better link us to something which supports your claims as facts.

 

[hobelim]

So your last comment meant nothing

How so?

People have been comparing other people to animals, insects, crustations, etc. to either praise or insult each other ever since people could talk. The revelation that the animals in kosher law are human archetypes and their flesh represents their teaching renders the entire talmud , what Jesus called "the traditions of men", obsolete.

Not the Law itself.