The Roosevelt-Truman War...Today

[alang1216]

It was the Russians that defeated Nazi Germany. They build the most powerful army in the world, an army we would have had a very hard time stopping. How many would have died in that conflict. History would have been very different but the world might not look so different than it does today.

No Red China

No Korean War

No Vietnam War

That would have been the result of following Patton's views, instead of the pro-Stalin instructions followed by Franklin Roosevelt.

So Patton would have done what? Marched on Russia and then China for a bit of neo-con regime change? That worked so well for Napoleon and Hitler. Would we have nuked Russia and China? They are BIG countries and we didn't have many nukes.

Is China still communist? Seems a blend of communist, socialist, and capitalist.

Ironically we fought the Korean War to a draw and it is still a mess over there. We lost the Vietnam War and we are quite friendly with them; we trade and they don't threaten their neighbors.

Not reading that. Are you implying that Patton was assassinated?

Turns out that Coulter was correct again:


"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."


What did government school do to make Liberals so fearful of education???

Send me the book, I'd be happy to read it. Don't give me a mandate to spend my money, I thought you were a conservative?

Again, are you and Billy implying that Patton was assassinated?

 

[Agit8r]

1.If you are mired in the moment, perhaps a government school grad who really never learned our history, you may believe that the current war between the establishment Democrat Party and the Stalin-Mao element, is the only time that sort of battle has taken place.???

Far more significant was the same battle that took place between the Franklin Roosevelt foreign policy faction, and the Harry Truman view that saved America.




2. Time-wise, Roosevelt and Truman never faced off over policy, and Truman didn’t come to his doctrine until after FDR was dead, largely because Roosevelt didn’t share the information with Truman that his vice-president learned after FDR’s death.

This should tell you all you need to know about the relationship: Stalin knew we had the atomic bomb before Truman did.

FDR died April 12, 1945

“President Harry Truman learns the full details of the Manhattan Project, in which scientists are attempting to create the first atomic bomb, on [April 24th] in 1945.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project


3. Stalin was privy to everything in the Roosevelt administration, because FDR welcomed “Uncle Joe’s” spies.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. "
Arthur Herman, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator," p. 60


No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss.

Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"
(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.



FDR’s pro-Soviet agenda is hardly different from that of Sanders, et al today.

Truman’s saving of America….coming up.

Wrong as always:

' All of you, I am sure, have heard many cries about the Government interference with business and about "creeping socialism." I should like to remind the gentlemen who make these complaints that if events had been allowed to continue as they were going prior to March 4, 1933, most of them would have no business left for the Government or anyone else to interfere with — and almost surely we would have socialism in this country, real socialism, not the kind they define. '
-- Harry Truman; from remarks in Butte, MT (May 12, 1950)

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.If you are mired in the moment, perhaps a government school grad who really never learned our history, you may believe that the current war between the establishment Democrat Party and the Stalin-Mao element, is the only time that sort of battle has taken place.???

Far more significant was the same battle that took place between the Franklin Roosevelt foreign policy faction, and the Harry Truman view that saved America.




2. Time-wise, Roosevelt and Truman never faced off over policy, and Truman didn’t come to his doctrine until after FDR was dead, largely because Roosevelt didn’t share the information with Truman that his vice-president learned after FDR’s death.

This should tell you all you need to know about the relationship: Stalin knew we had the atomic bomb before Truman did.

FDR died April 12, 1945

“President Harry Truman learns the full details of the Manhattan Project, in which scientists are attempting to create the first atomic bomb, on [April 24th] in 1945.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project


3. Stalin was privy to everything in the Roosevelt administration, because FDR welcomed “Uncle Joe’s” spies.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. "
Arthur Herman, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator," p. 60


No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss.

Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"
(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.



FDR’s pro-Soviet agenda is hardly different from that of Sanders, et al today.

Truman’s saving of America….coming up.

Wrong as always:

' All of you, I am sure, have heard many cries about the Government interference with business and about "creeping socialism." I should like to remind the gentlemen who make these complaints that if events had been allowed to continue as they were going prior to March 4, 1933, most of them would have no business left for the Government or anyone else to interfere with — and almost surely we would have socialism in this country, real socialism, not the kind they define. '
-- Harry Truman; from remarks in Butte, MT (May 12, 1950)

And now for the facts:


4. Franklin Roosevelt has a totally undeserved reputation as President.

Here is the record those who control the schools hide:

1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations


3. He extended the Depression by years.


4. He disposed of the Constitution


5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal


6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.


7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.


8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War


9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.


10. He was a racist and a bigot how wanted only those ‘with the right sort of blood.’ Sounds like a Nazis, huh?




Pay special attention to item #3.

Roosevelt, a wanna- be dictator, needed to keep citizens in fear, the fear represented in the quote you provided.


Roosevelt engineered a nice long depression so he could eviscerate the Constitution.



Roosevelt groupies might contend that it that Franklin Roosevelt wasn't a poor manager, after all, wasn't the Depression a worldwide phenomenon???


Let's see.

The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexes the United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.
World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in "New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr




So...not only did the "great" Emperor Franklin the First manage to extend and magnify the depression, but he couldn't compete with the leaders of most European nations.


"Great" seems to have developed a new definition.





Pretty good reminder that I'm never wrong, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

No Red China

No Korean War

No Vietnam War

That would have been the result of following Patton's views, instead of the pro-Stalin instructions followed by Franklin Roosevelt.

So Patton would have done what? Marched on Russia and then China for a bit of neo-con regime change? That worked so well for Napoleon and Hitler. Would we have nuked Russia and China? They are BIG countries and we didn't have many nukes.

Is China still communist? Seems a blend of communist, socialist, and capitalist.

Ironically we fought the Korean War to a draw and it is still a mess over there. We lost the Vietnam War and we are quite friendly with them; we trade and they don't threaten their neighbors.

Not reading that. Are you implying that Patton was assassinated?

Turns out that Coulter was correct again:


"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."


What did government school do to make Liberals so fearful of education???

Send me the book, I'd be happy to read it. Don't give me a mandate to spend my money, I thought you were a conservative?

Again, are you and Billy implying that Patton was assassinated?

I’ve seen people like you before…but then I had to pay admission.


"Send me the book..."
Get off your knees and stop begging.

Provide for yourself.


I'm certain a nice adult will help you get a library card.

 

[Agit8r]

1.If you are mired in the moment, perhaps a government school grad who really never learned our history, you may believe that the current war between the establishment Democrat Party and the Stalin-Mao element, is the only time that sort of battle has taken place.???

Far more significant was the same battle that took place between the Franklin Roosevelt foreign policy faction, and the Harry Truman view that saved America.




2. Time-wise, Roosevelt and Truman never faced off over policy, and Truman didn’t come to his doctrine until after FDR was dead, largely because Roosevelt didn’t share the information with Truman that his vice-president learned after FDR’s death.

This should tell you all you need to know about the relationship: Stalin knew we had the atomic bomb before Truman did.

FDR died April 12, 1945

“President Harry Truman learns the full details of the Manhattan Project, in which scientists are attempting to create the first atomic bomb, on [April 24th] in 1945.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project


3. Stalin was privy to everything in the Roosevelt administration, because FDR welcomed “Uncle Joe’s” spies.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. "
Arthur Herman, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator," p. 60


No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss.

Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"
(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.



FDR’s pro-Soviet agenda is hardly different from that of Sanders, et al today.

Truman’s saving of America….coming up.

Wrong as always:

' All of you, I am sure, have heard many cries about the Government interference with business and about "creeping socialism." I should like to remind the gentlemen who make these complaints that if events had been allowed to continue as they were going prior to March 4, 1933, most of them would have no business left for the Government or anyone else to interfere with — and almost surely we would have socialism in this country, real socialism, not the kind they define. '
-- Harry Truman; from remarks in Butte, MT (May 12, 1950)

And now for the facts:


4. Franklin Roosevelt has a totally undeserved reputation as President.

Here is the record those who control the schools hide:

1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations


3. He extended the Depression by years.


4. He disposed of the Constitution


5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal


6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.


7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.


8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War


9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.


10. He was a racist and a bigot how wanted only those ‘with the right sort of blood.’ Sounds like a Nazis, huh?




Pay special attention to item #3.

Roosevelt, a wanna- be dictator, needed to keep citizens in fear, the fear represented in the quote you provided.


Roosevelt engineered a nice long depression so he could eviscerate the Constitution.



Roosevelt groupies might contend that it that Franklin Roosevelt wasn't a poor manager, after all, wasn't the Depression a worldwide phenomenon???


Let's see.

The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexes the United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.
World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in "New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr




So...not only did the "great" Emperor Franklin the First manage to extend and magnify the depression, but he couldn't compete with the leaders of most European nations.


"Great" seems to have developed a new definition.





Pretty good reminder that I'm never wrong, huh?

lol. sure there are some bad residual effects of the new deal (NASCAR being a televised sport for instance), but an objective observer can see that he did more good than harm.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.If you are mired in the moment, perhaps a government school grad who really never learned our history, you may believe that the current war between the establishment Democrat Party and the Stalin-Mao element, is the only time that sort of battle has taken place.???

Far more significant was the same battle that took place between the Franklin Roosevelt foreign policy faction, and the Harry Truman view that saved America.




2. Time-wise, Roosevelt and Truman never faced off over policy, and Truman didn’t come to his doctrine until after FDR was dead, largely because Roosevelt didn’t share the information with Truman that his vice-president learned after FDR’s death.

This should tell you all you need to know about the relationship: Stalin knew we had the atomic bomb before Truman did.

FDR died April 12, 1945

“President Harry Truman learns the full details of the Manhattan Project, in which scientists are attempting to create the first atomic bomb, on [April 24th] in 1945.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project


3. Stalin was privy to everything in the Roosevelt administration, because FDR welcomed “Uncle Joe’s” spies.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. "
Arthur Herman, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator," p. 60


No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss.

Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"
(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.



FDR’s pro-Soviet agenda is hardly different from that of Sanders, et al today.

Truman’s saving of America….coming up.

Wrong as always:

' All of you, I am sure, have heard many cries about the Government interference with business and about "creeping socialism." I should like to remind the gentlemen who make these complaints that if events had been allowed to continue as they were going prior to March 4, 1933, most of them would have no business left for the Government or anyone else to interfere with — and almost surely we would have socialism in this country, real socialism, not the kind they define. '
-- Harry Truman; from remarks in Butte, MT (May 12, 1950)

And now for the facts:


4. Franklin Roosevelt has a totally undeserved reputation as President.

Here is the record those who control the schools hide:

1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations


3. He extended the Depression by years.


4. He disposed of the Constitution


5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal


6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.


7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.


8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War


9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.


10. He was a racist and a bigot how wanted only those ‘with the right sort of blood.’ Sounds like a Nazis, huh?




Pay special attention to item #3.

Roosevelt, a wanna- be dictator, needed to keep citizens in fear, the fear represented in the quote you provided.


Roosevelt engineered a nice long depression so he could eviscerate the Constitution.



Roosevelt groupies might contend that it that Franklin Roosevelt wasn't a poor manager, after all, wasn't the Depression a worldwide phenomenon???


Let's see.

The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexes the United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.
World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in "New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr




So...not only did the "great" Emperor Franklin the First manage to extend and magnify the depression, but he couldn't compete with the leaders of most European nations.


"Great" seems to have developed a new definition.





Pretty good reminder that I'm never wrong, huh?

lol. sure there are some bad residual effects of the new deal (NASCAR being a televised sport for instance), but an objective observer can see that he did more good than harm.

Good to see you back again.
Good thing you returned for remediation.


No, the New Deal was meant for a Fascist nation, not a free one.


FDR co-opted Mussolini's economic program, and called it the New Deal.

1. "Perhaps the most radical aspect of the New Deal was the National Industrial Recovery Act, passed in June 1933, which created a massive new bureaucracy called the National Recovery Administration. Under the NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels.

Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement, while the NRA was financed by new taxes on the very industries it controlled. Some economists have estimated that the NRA boosted the cost of doing business by an average of 40 percent — not something a depressed economy needed for recovery."
http://www.theadagiogroup.com/Great_Myths_of_the_Great_Depression.pdf
Great Myths of the Great Depression, Lawrence W Reed





2. The man Roosevelt picked to direct the NRA effort was General Hugh Johnson, a profane, red-faced bully and professed admirer of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. ...There were ultimately more than 500 NRA codes, “ranging from the production of lightning rods to the manufacture of corsets and brassieres, covering more than 2 million employers and 22 million workers.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 30.

There were codes for the production of hair tonic, dog leashes, and even musical comedies. A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents.




3. Roosevelt's economic guru, Rex Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins, U.S. Secretary of Laborfrom 1933 to 1945, the longest serving in that position, and thefirst womanappointed to theU.S. Cabinet, the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."

The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system.

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48



4. There were codes for the production of hair tonic, dog leashes, and even musical comedies. A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents.




5. Is it possible to believe that political operatives could be so addicted to power, that they would destroy the heritage of the nation? That they would erase the sense of responsibility, the 'can do' ethic of an exceptional people, and make them dependent, make them helpless without the drug of government 'entitlements'?

And not out of the best of intentions. Purposely. With forethought.

That was Franklin Roosevelt.

 

[rightwinger]

1.If you are mired in the moment, perhaps a government school grad who really never learned our history, you may believe that the current war between the establishment Democrat Party and the Stalin-Mao element, is the only time that sort of battle has taken place.???

Far more significant was the same battle that took place between the Franklin Roosevelt foreign policy faction, and the Harry Truman view that saved America.




2. Time-wise, Roosevelt and Truman never faced off over policy, and Truman didn’t come to his doctrine until after FDR was dead, largely because Roosevelt didn’t share the information with Truman that his vice-president learned after FDR’s death.

This should tell you all you need to know about the relationship: Stalin knew we had the atomic bomb before Truman did.

FDR died April 12, 1945

“President Harry Truman learns the full details of the Manhattan Project, in which scientists are attempting to create the first atomic bomb, on [April 24th] in 1945.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/truman-is-briefed-on-manhattan-project


3. Stalin was privy to everything in the Roosevelt administration, because FDR welcomed “Uncle Joe’s” spies.

The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. "
Arthur Herman, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator," p. 60


No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss.

Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"
(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.



FDR’s pro-Soviet agenda is hardly different from that of Sanders, et al today.

Truman’s saving of America….coming up.

Maybe Truman should have engaged a spy network to find out about the US developing a bomb.
FDR never TOLD Stalin about the Manhattan Project

We did not have a working bomb until a month before we dropped one on Hiroshima
Stalin may have known we were working on a bomb. He didn’t know we had one

 

[AZrailwhale]

Simple enough to explain.

1. FDR was a failure at business, and hated the successful capitalists.
2. He wanted to be like the other despots of the time....Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.


Although by every metric, Stalin was worse than Hitler, Roosevelt had a tough time deciding his fav.

He gave Chamberlain an 'atta boy' when Chamberlain gave Hitler the go-ahead.

" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

To be fair to Chamberlain, he really didn't have a choice. Neither the UK or France were prepared for war at the time of the Munich Conference. France was still far from prepared when Germany invaded Poland and started the war, The UK was better off, but still far from ready. Even Germany wasn't prepared, Hitler firmly believed that the English and French would back down again. His plan was to go to war in 1945. Or at least that was when his navy was supposed to be ready for war.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It was the Russians that defeated Nazi Germany. They build the most powerful army in the world, an army we would have had a very hard time stopping. How many would have died in that conflict. History would have been very different but the world might not look so different than it does today.

After the Battle of Berlin, the Soviet Red Army was overextended and very short of supplies. The Soviets never operated under the kind of air attack the WAllies could produce. The Soviet soldiers had no interest in conquering other countries for Stalin, they were motivated by defending the motherland. If the Soviets went to war with the WAllies, all the lend-lease would stop, there would be no more massive food deliveries, no parts for the fleets of aircraft and "Studebaker" trucks that were essential for the Red Army's survival. The Red Army would make initial gains and then starve on the vine just like the German Army did on the Western Front. Oh and the "Russians" didn't defeat the Germans, the Soviets did and the Russians were a very small part of that army. The Soviet Red Army was a sledgehammer, the WAllies army was a sponge that could absorb blows and rebound.

 

[whitehall]

If the annihilation of two Japanese cities with super weapons was the proper strategy to save American lives why couldn't we have saved American lives and waited a year or so to nuke Berlin? Granted Harry Truman was a dumb rube but even in his dying days with diminished mental capacity, FDR knew what we developed and how close we were to the ultimate weapon. What if we avoided risking Ike's estimate of a million G.I.'s in the invasion of Europe and waited a year until the Bomb was developed and dropped it on Berlin? Bumping up the concept by more than a half a century we need to consider that if the wholesale killing of civilians was a good strategy late in WW2 why are our planes sitting on the ground while Americans are getting killed and maimed in Afghanistan?

 

[AZrailwhale]

If the annihilation of two Japanese cities with super weapons was the proper strategy to save American lives why couldn't we have saved American lives and waited six months or so to nuke Berlin? If the wholesale killing of civilian was a good strategy late in WW2 why are our planes sitting on the ground while Americans are getting killed and maimed in Afghanistan?

Because deliberately targeting civilians is NOW illegal. As far as Afghanistan, exactly which civilians do you bomb? The Soviets tried that tactic and it backfired on them. Afghanistan is already largely in ruins thanks to the Soviets, so how does bombing ruins save American lives? Nuking Berlin in 1942 or 1943 to end the war would have been a good idea. But the technology didn’t exist. Bombing the Wolf’s Lair when Hitler was there is a even better idea, but the bomb didn’t exist and even a Grand Slam didn’t have the punch to insure his death in his bunker there.

 

[Unkotare]

..... Nuking Berlin in 1942 or 1943 to end the war would have been a good idea. But the technology didn’t exist. ......

fdr/truman wouldn't have used the atom bomb on Germany anyway.

 

[AZrailwhale]

fdr/truman wouldn't have used the atom bomb on Germany anyway.

Yes he would. That was always the plan. The Germans just surrendered before Fat Man was ready.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes he would. That was always the plan. The Germans just surrendered before Fat Man was ready.

Bullshit. fdr/truman would never incinerate hundreds of thousands of people who looked so much like them.

 

[Mushroom]

Stalin knew we had the atomic bomb before Truman did.

Well, yeah.

He had spies deep inside both the US and UK atomic weapons programs. Truman at that time was still just the newest of Three Vice Presidents that FDR had while he was in office.

That should be rather obvious. Stalin knew even before the Germans surrendered. Truman did not learn of it until he became President. But it was one of the very first things he was told about once he assumed the office.

 

[Mushroom]

Bullshit. fdr/truman would never incinerate hundreds of thousands of people who looked so much like them.

The firebombings in Dresden, Hamburg, and other German cities proves that is a lie.

It only killed less people because of the population densities of the cities attacked. If Dresden had been as densely populated as Tokyo, the deaths would have been in the hundreds of thousands.

 

[Unkotare]

The firebombings in Dresden, Hamburg, and other German cities proves that is a lie.
......

Their abuse of American citizens proves it true.

 

[Unkotare]

Article clipped from Chicago Tribune

Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.

www.newspapers.com

 

[alang1216]

After the Battle of Berlin, the Soviet Red Army was overextended and very short of supplies. The Soviets never operated under the kind of air attack the WAllies could produce.

The Germans operated under constant bombing for years and their production of many items increased during that time.

The Soviet soldiers had no interest in conquering other countries for Stalin, they were motivated by defending the motherland.

True but Patton wanted to attack that homeland. It would have been US soldiers that had no motivation for more fighting.

If the Soviets went to war with the WAllies, all the lend-lease would stop, there would be no more massive food deliveries, no parts for the fleets of aircraft and "Studebaker" trucks that were essential for the Red Army's survival. The Red Army would make initial gains and then starve on the vine just like the German Army did on the Western Front. Oh and the "Russians" didn't defeat the Germans, the Soviets did and the Russians were a very small part of that army. The Soviet Red Army was a sledgehammer, the WAllies army was a sponge that could absorb blows and rebound.

By the end of the war the Soviets had the resources of all of Eastern Europe at their disposal. If we had attacked them right after the war as Patton wanted, they would not have just folded up and went home. We would have had to take Moscow and overthrow Stalin. That didn't work well for Napoleon or Hitler.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well, yeah.

He had spies deep inside both the US and UK atomic weapons programs. Truman at that time was still just the newest of Three Vice Presidents that FDR had while he was in office.

That should be rather obvious. Stalin knew even before the Germans surrendered. Truman did not learn of it until he became President. But it was one of the very first things he was told about once he assumed the office.

"Truman....was still just the newest of Three Vice Presidents that FDR had while he was in office."


Not the reason.

FDR was in thrall to Stalin.....that's the reason.

Same reason today's Democrat Party is closer to Lee Harvey Oswald than the views of John F Kennedy.






1. US Army Maj. George Racey Jordan was a Lend-Lease 'expediter' who couldn't understand the volume or priority nature of the shipments to the USSR....including 'secret cargo' hidden under 'diplomatic immunity.'

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces." From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

2. A simple businessman, in his 40's, who had flown with Eddie Rickenbacker in WWI, Jordan loved his country more than the Establishment, and became what ex-Socialist Max Eastman called the 'moral aristocracy.' West, "American Betrayal," p.119.

3. In his capacity, he worked closely with Soviet chief, Col. Anatole Kotikov. With them at their apartment, he noticed Kotikov's wife-secretary pull her huband's "Experimental Chemicals" dossier from "a hiding place under the mattress, while her husband was pulling on his handsome boots of black leather." Jordan, "From Major Jordan's Diaries, " p.47

a. In the file was a list of everything necessary to produce a 'brand-new and experimental atomic pile, courtesy of Lend-Lease." West, Op. Cit.

b.

c. "... he was instructed by the White House and State Department to deliver parts for the atomic bomb to the Soviets – at the same time the nation was worried about Russia stealing A-bomb secrets. At first, Congress did not believe him, but his diary filled with dates, shipping manifestos, and names of pilots who flew the missions,..." Major George Jordan

4. In Jordan's book is a near-complete list of Soviet Lend-Lease material

a. According to Jordan, shipments to the USSR via Lend-Lease continued until 1949. Victory in Europe Day—known as V-E Day or VE Day—was the public holiday celebrated on 8 May 1945 (in Commonwealth countries, 7 May 1945) to mark the date when the World War II Allies formally accepted the unconditional surrender of the armed forces of Nazi Germany

5. ATOMIC MATERIALS

Beryllium Metals 9,681 lbs. -- $ 10,874.
Cadmium alloys 72,535 lbs. -- $70,029.
Cadmium metals 834,989 lbs. - $71,466.
Cobalt ore & concentrate 33,600 lbs. -- $49,782.
Cobalt metal & cobalt-bearing scrap 806,941 lbs. -- $1,190,774.
Uranium metal 2.2 lbs. -
Aluminum Tubes 13,766,472 lbs. -- $13,041,152.
Graphite, natural, flake, lump or chip 7,384,282 lbs. -- $812,437.
Beryllium salts & compounds 228 lbs. -- $775.
Cadmium oxide 2,100 lbs. -- $3,080.
Cadmium salts & compounds, n.e.s. * 2 lbs. -- $19.
Cadmium sulfate 2,170 lbs. -- $1,374.
Cadmium sulfide 16,823 lbs. -- $17,380.
Cobalt nitrate 51 lbs. -- $48.
Cobalt oxide 17,800 lbs. -- $34,832.
Cobalt salts & compounds n.e.s. 11,475 lbs. -- $7,112.
Cobaltic & cobaltous sulfate 22 lbs. -- $25.
Deuterium oxide (heavy water) -- $1,100 grs. -
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