The Regressives are going after masculinity bigly

In other news, MMA's legality and Popularity has increased exponentially since the early 2000s, and so has the number of people in the united states training in hand to hand combat.
And?

Not sure how that relates to this thread
Seems like theres a push and pull for everything. Microcosms in a Nation of 320million people do not imply some great epidemic.

When Mac loses the ability to raise his own boys how he sees fuckin fit, then I give him permission to whine like he does daily without rolling my eyes and going :itsok:

Plus, if we are talking about the regressives attacking maculinity, lets look at an old.man who sits on the internet every day whining about whats trendy.
Show me on the doll where Mac touched you...

Good grief

Geez. It would be easier to show you where he didn't touch me.
 
The following was taken from Mac's first linked article about "toxic masculinity," describing the traits of "toxic masculinity":
  • Loving sex, but not really liking women.
  • Violence is the way “men” solve problems.
  • Dominance over women.
  • Believing that they are entitled to success due to their gender.
  • Labeling men who don’t subscribe to this mindset as “Beta.”
I would have to ask whether Mac supports this sort of behavior. Is his article a complaint that men aren't being allowed to act this way? Just what exactly is he complaining that he is being told to do or to not do? Or that someone is doing to him? We live in a society with upwards of 320 million people in it, and we all have the right to expect decent and respectful conduct from everyone.
 
The following was taken from Mac's first linked article about "toxic masculinity," describing the traits of "toxic masculinity":
  • Loving sex, but not really liking women.
  • Violence is the way “men” solve problems.
  • Dominance over women.
  • Believing that they are entitled to success due to their gender.
  • Labeling men who don’t subscribe to this mindset as “Beta.”
I'm not seeing the problem here. :dunno:
 
And by the way, notice how they're deploying their "isolation" tactic, trying to isolate the Boy Scouts story only instead of addressing the big picture, which I did.

They do this to minimize the point. The Boy Scout story is just one of many, MANY examples of the point. I even brought up others in the OP.

These people just have to lie to cover for what they're doing.
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I don't even know what to say. I mean I AGREE with you,


but what more is there TO say?

The harm is trying to marginalize normal healthy behavior is obvious, and those supporting it won't even defend it, they move to attack, deflect, distract.



From your first link:



"To clarify, “masculinity” in this context refers not to men’s innate traits, but to the cultural construction of manhood. When we talk about the harmful effects of toxic masculinity, we are not criticizing men, but are calling out the unfair standards imposed upon them."



They claim they are not criticizing men.


Then.


"This form of masculinity has nothing to do with being a man, and everything to do with being an emotionless robot with alarming social opinions including:

  • Loving sex, but not really liking women.
  • Violence is the way “men” solve problems.
  • Dominance over women.
  • Believing that they are entitled to success due to their gender.
  • Labeling men who don’t subscribe to this mindset as “Beta.”"


What a load of crap.

In my adult life, I have never met a man who thinks that violence is the way to solve problems.


Nor thought that men were dominate over women.


not believed that they were entitled to success due to their gender,


nor labeled any men they disagreed with as "Beta" (other than some lib assholes on this site)
Much of this has just been conflict invented in the minds of you-know-who.

They haven't exactly made a secret of their hatred of masculinity, and now they're manifesting it culturally.
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You really should explain how a girl or two in a scout troop is emasculating to the boys. Female leaders have been in scouting for a long while. I'm approaching 50 and was in scouting through high school. There were women involved on many levels without complaint. If I had a daughter that was into it, I would support her 100% and be grateful that I could share something I found very fulfilling with her.

This is just coming off as just another grouchy, old guy, "hell in a handbasket" thread.
 
The following was taken from Mac's first linked article about "toxic masculinity," describing the traits of "toxic masculinity":
  • Loving sex, but not really liking women.
  • Violence is the way “men” solve problems.
  • Dominance over women.
  • Believing that they are entitled to success due to their gender.
  • Labeling men who don’t subscribe to this mindset as “Beta.”
I would have to ask whether Mac supports this sort of behavior. Is his article a complaint that men aren't being allowed to act this way? Just what exactly is he complaining that he is being told to do or to not do? Or that someone is doing to him? We live in a society with upwards of 320 million people in it, and we all have the right to expect decent and respectful conduct from everyone.
You bet. Treating people with respect, however, has nothing to do with gender or race or class or religion. If a man behaves in the way you describe, he's clearly in the wrong.

Now, a question for you: Speaking of "respectful conduct", look at the responses in this thread that avoid the point and go after me personally instead. How would you characterize them?
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They just REFUSE to take these issues head on.

Understandable. It gets tougher when I provide proof.



Yup, it looks like the lefties are pushing you out of the BIG Tent....:laugh:
 
And by the way, notice how they're deploying their "isolation" tactic, trying to isolate the Boy Scouts story only instead of addressing the big picture, which I did.

They do this to minimize the point. The Boy Scout story is just one of many, MANY examples of the point. I even brought up others in the OP.

These people just have to lie to cover for what they're doing.
.



I don't even know what to say. I mean I AGREE with you,


but what more is there TO say?

The harm is trying to marginalize normal healthy behavior is obvious, and those supporting it won't even defend it, they move to attack, deflect, distract.



From your first link:



"To clarify, “masculinity” in this context refers not to men’s innate traits, but to the cultural construction of manhood. When we talk about the harmful effects of toxic masculinity, we are not criticizing men, but are calling out the unfair standards imposed upon them."



They claim they are not criticizing men.


Then.


"This form of masculinity has nothing to do with being a man, and everything to do with being an emotionless robot with alarming social opinions including:

  • Loving sex, but not really liking women.
  • Violence is the way “men” solve problems.
  • Dominance over women.
  • Believing that they are entitled to success due to their gender.
  • Labeling men who don’t subscribe to this mindset as “Beta.”"


What a load of crap.

In my adult life, I have never met a man who thinks that violence is the way to solve problems.


Nor thought that men were dominate over women.


not believed that they were entitled to success due to their gender,


nor labeled any men they disagreed with as "Beta" (other than some lib assholes on this site)
Much of this has just been conflict invented in the minds of you-know-who.

They haven't exactly made a secret of their hatred of masculinity, and now they're manifesting it culturally.
.

You really should explain how a girl or two in a scout troop is emasculating to the boys. Female leaders have been in scouting for a long while. I'm approaching 50 and was in scouting through high school. There were women involved on many levels without complaint. If I had a daughter that was into it, I would support her 100% and be grateful that I could share something I found very fulfilling with her.

This is just coming off as just another grouchy, old guy, "hell in a handbasket" thread.
Another great example of the "isolation" tactic I describe in post 24.

And you make it about me, as I describe in post 5.

Excellent post. Thanks.
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They just REFUSE to take these issues head on. Understandable. It gets tougher when I provide proof.
Yup, it looks like the lefties are pushing you out of the BIG Tent....:laugh:
Yeah, I've been persona non grata in that tent since I started skewering their religion.

:laugh:
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And by the way, notice how they're deploying their "isolation" tactic, trying to isolate the Boy Scouts story only instead of addressing the big picture, which I did.

They do this to minimize the point. The Boy Scout story is just one of many, MANY examples of the point. I even brought up others in the OP.

These people just have to lie to cover for what they're doing.
.



I don't even know what to say. I mean I AGREE with you,


but what more is there TO say?

The harm is trying to marginalize normal healthy behavior is obvious, and those supporting it won't even defend it, they move to attack, deflect, distract.



From your first link:



"To clarify, “masculinity” in this context refers not to men’s innate traits, but to the cultural construction of manhood. When we talk about the harmful effects of toxic masculinity, we are not criticizing men, but are calling out the unfair standards imposed upon them."



They claim they are not criticizing men.


Then.


"This form of masculinity has nothing to do with being a man, and everything to do with being an emotionless robot with alarming social opinions including:

  • Loving sex, but not really liking women.
  • Violence is the way “men” solve problems.
  • Dominance over women.
  • Believing that they are entitled to success due to their gender.
  • Labeling men who don’t subscribe to this mindset as “Beta.”"


What a load of crap.

In my adult life, I have never met a man who thinks that violence is the way to solve problems.


Nor thought that men were dominate over women.


not believed that they were entitled to success due to their gender,


nor labeled any men they disagreed with as "Beta" (other than some lib assholes on this site)
Much of this has just been conflict invented in the minds of you-know-who.

They haven't exactly made a secret of their hatred of masculinity, and now they're manifesting it culturally.
.

You really should explain how a girl or two in a scout troop is emasculating to the boys. Female leaders have been in scouting for a long while. I'm approaching 50 and was in scouting through high school. There were women involved on many levels without complaint. If I had a daughter that was into it, I would support her 100% and be grateful that I could share something I found very fulfilling with her.

This is just coming off as just another grouchy, old guy, "hell in a handbasket" thread.
Another great example of the "isolation" tactic I describe in post 24.

And you make it about me, as I describe in post 5.

Excellent post. Thanks.
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I didn't make it about you. I asked you to explain your thinking. I used my personal experience to establish my thinking. It's called a conversation.
 
They just REFUSE to take these issues head on. Understandable. It gets tougher when I provide proof.
Yup, it looks like the lefties are pushing you out of the BIG Tent....:laugh:
Yeah, I've been persona non grata in that tent since I started skewering their religion.

:laugh:
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.. and look at you .. all happy and stuff... :beer:
It really is amazing to me. First, I never have to name names. I just make an observation and they jump right in to illustrate it for me. They're perfectly willing to self-identify. And even after I point out their behaviors, they just keep doing them - like trying to make everything about me, their "isolation" tactic, on and on. It's like they're robots who only know how to attack and behave in a certain way.
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The Boy Scouts used to be a safe place for boys, but the left wingers ruined that.
 
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