The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat

[rightwinger]

And what year was that? Canada is pretty passive these days.

It was a hundred years ago, 1813

You are right, Canada is ripe for the taking. We could even use only our wimmin combat troops and kick their asses

So there is a use for women in combat. Who knew?
So 1813 was a hundred years ago? So you suck at logic and math?

Doh!

 

[Katzndogz]

Okay, let women go nto the battlefield as combatants. If and when they are captured will there be an outcry to their treatment? We know what Muslims think of Western women now.
How will Americans reacto to raped, mutilated, tortured and beheaded combatant women soldiers?
How will women behave when they cannot bath or remove and change their clothes for weeks at a time. Can they put up with open air slit latrines in field?

Hey, I'm all for having women in combat roles. Bring it on.

We will react the same way as when we have raped, mutilated, tortured and beheaded combatant men soldiers.......we will bring down the wrath of god on them

Why now all of a sudden? Wrath of God? From a lib?

That would be Wrath of obama who will take out his basketball and dribble them to death.

The terrorists in Libya never thought about the wrath of anyone. They knew they could kill Americans with not so much as a determined scowl. It was so pleasing to them, they did it again in Algeria!

 

[RandallFlagg]

He was out on the streets at least 4 times a week, getting shot at, fighting....and that wasn't what his job was!

It might not have been his primary job. But everyone's secondary MOS is always the same: Infantry.

Really?.....My Primary MOS was 11b infantry...My SECONDARY MOS was O5B Radio Communications Specialist.

I love it when people who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about, chime in.

I get where you're you're coming from here. I think the guy worded his post incorrectly. My PMOS was also 11B. But we were always told that "Every person in the army is an infantryman".

Now, between you and me, I can't imagine some guy from finance picking up a 60 and going to town, but what the hell, it makes for good theater......

Hell, even when I changed over to 97B and went to WO school, My PMOS was always 11B. And I was always proud of that. My CIB never left my uniform even though I rarely ever wore it again....

 

[Wicked Jester]

It might not have been his primary job. But everyone's secondary MOS is always the same: Infantry.

Really?.....My Primary MOS was 11b infantry...My SECONDARY MOS was O5B Radio Communications Specialist.

I love it when people who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about, chime in.

I get where you're you're coming from here. I think the guy worded his post incorrectly. My PMOS was also 11B. But we were always told that "Every person in the army is an infantryman".

Now, between you and me, I can't imagine some guy from finance picking up a 60 and going to town, but what the hell, it makes for good theater......

Hell, even when I changed over to 97B and went to WO school, My PMOS was always 11B. And I was always proud of that. My CIB never left my uniform even though I rarely ever wore it again....

I agree, after reading his post, it's obvious he worded it incorrectly.

As far women go, they are an integral part of our military....If they want to serve in front line combat roles, fine, but, they need to be held to the exact same physical standards as men....I mean, if they don't have the physical ability to Fireman's carry a wounded 200+ lb man 100+ yards while under fire, then forget it......And that's just one example of several.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Really?.....My Primary MOS was 11b infantry...My SECONDARY MOS was O5B Radio Communications Specialist.

I love it when people who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about, chime in.

I get where you're you're coming from here. I think the guy worded his post incorrectly. My PMOS was also 11B. But we were always told that "Every person in the army is an infantryman".

Now, between you and me, I can't imagine some guy from finance picking up a 60 and going to town, but what the hell, it makes for good theater......

Hell, even when I changed over to 97B and went to WO school, My PMOS was always 11B. And I was always proud of that. My CIB never left my uniform even though I rarely ever wore it again....

I agree, after reading his post, it's obvious he worded it incorrectly.

As far women go, they are an integral part of our military....If they want to serve in front line combat roles, fine, but, they need to be held to the exact same physical standards as men....I mean, if they don't have the physical ability to Fireman's carry a wounded 200+ lb man 100+ yards while under fire, then forget it......And that's just one example of several.

Brother, you'll get no argument from me. I see you carry the RANGER tab. God bless you. I wonder how many women could negotiate the Darby Queen?

I wonder how women could hump to the front with a full combat load and then actually "fight"? I saw an interview with a young lady (E5, I believe) who was attached to a Infantry unit for a short time and according to her, there will only be a few that can hack it. she said it was a "nightmare", as anyone who has beaten the bushes is well aware.

I have seen interview after interview of women who have served as chopper pilots, Warthog pilots and the like who think its about time. I just don't have the heart to tell them that flying into battle and pushing buttons isn't the same thing as humping an 80 pound ruck 10 miles then looking the enemy in the eye and ending his life.

Now, make no mistake about it. I personally worked with a couple of female 97B who could end your life as quickly as any male agent I ever knew. However,that s comparing apples to oranges and completely different situations.

Thanks for your service Ranger!

 

[Capnyc]

Served in the 82nd and had women in our company. They are going to do just fine.

 

[Oldguy]

I wouldn't make too much fun of them. They were the first to offer troops for the Gulf War and the first to come onboard with us in Afghanistan.

Also, it might be well to note that we've invaded them 4 or 5 times...and got our ass handed to us in every instance.

And what year was that? Canada is pretty passive these days.

It was a hundred years ago, 1813

You are right, Canada is ripe for the taking. We could even use only our wimmin combat troops and kick their asses

Yeah? Why don't you go ahead and try it? The Canuk's are some fightin' MF's. In 1944, their total population was less that the state of New York, yet they had enough men willing to serve that they had their own, private beach at Normandy.

Don't dis Canada. They're the best friends we ever had.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Women in combat will do well as they always have when in combat zones.

 

[rightwinger]

And what year was that? Canada is pretty passive these days.

It was a hundred years ago, 1813

You are right, Canada is ripe for the taking. We could even use only our wimmin combat troops and kick their asses

Yeah? Why don't you go ahead and try it? The Canuk's are some fightin' MF's. In 1944, their total population was less that the state of New York, yet they had enough men willing to serve that they had their own, private beach at Normandy.

Don't dis Canada. They're the best friends we ever had.

Canada is long overdue for an invasion

They have been coming down here drinking our beer and stealing our wimmin

Bout time they were put in their place

 

[mudwhistle]

Ryan Smith @ The WSJ:


America has been creeping closer and closer to allowing women in combat, so Wednesday’s news that the decision has now been made is not a surprise. It appears that female soldiers will be allowed on the battlefield but not in the infantry. Yet it is a distinction without much difference: Infantry units serve side-by-side in combat with artillery, engineers, drivers, medics and others who will likely now include women. The Pentagon would do well to consider realities of life in combat as it pushes to mix men and women on the battlefield.

Many articles have been written regarding the relative strength of women and the possible effects on morale of introducing women into all-male units. Less attention has been paid to another aspect: the absolutely dreadful conditions under which grunts live during war.

Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view.

I served in the 2003 invasion of Iraq as a Marine infantry squad leader. We rode into war crammed in the back of amphibious assault vehicles. They are designed to hold roughly 15 Marines snugly; due to maintenance issues, by the end of the invasion we had as many as 25 men stuffed into the back. Marines were forced to sit, in full gear, on each other’s laps and in contorted positions for hours on end. That was the least of our problems.

The invasion was a blitzkrieg. The goal was to move as fast to Baghdad as possible. The column would not stop for a lance corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, or even a company commander to go to the restroom. Sometimes we spent over 48 hours on the move without exiting the vehicles. We were forced to urinate in empty water bottles inches from our comrades.

Many Marines developed dysentery from the complete lack of sanitary conditions. When an uncontrollable urge hit a Marine, he would be forced to stand, as best he could, hold an MRE bag up to his rear, and defecate inches from his seated comrade’s face.

During the invasion, we wore chemical protective suits because of the fear of chemical or biological weapon attack. These are equivalent to a ski jumpsuit and hold in the heat. We also had to wear black rubber boots over our desert boots. On the occasions the column did stop, we would quickly peel off our rubber boots, desert boots and socks to let our feet air out.Due to the heat and sweat, layers of our skin would peel off our feet. However, we rarely had time to remove our suits or perform even the most basic hygiene. We quickly developed sores on our bodies.

When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers.

Yes, a woman is as capable as a man of pulling a trigger. But the goal of our nation's military is to fight and win wars. Before taking the drastic step of allowing women to serve in combat units, has the government considered whether introducing women into the above-described situation would have made my unit more or less combat effective?




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Ryan Smith: The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat - WSJ.com

The military is well known for turning any activity into a cluster-fuck.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, absolutely incompetent. Tell Hitler that.

 

[mudwhistle]

A nation that does not protect its women is a nation lost, in my opinion. Its not just that women do not have the ability it a natural law kind of thing.

But it is just an indication of the further deterioration of our country.

I really think Penetta has no idea about combat and thinks it is just some kind of game. I hope he rest well when one our women gets captured and raped.

I don't see any difference between beatings and rapes for ether sex. These rags are a bunch homos who rapes ambassador Stevens. I don't think that sick act is any less sick than raping one of "your" women.

 

[mudwhistle]

A nation that does not protect its women is a nation lost, in my opinion. Its not just that women do not have the ability it a natural law kind of thing.

But it is just an indication of the further deterioration of our country.

I really think Penetta has no idea about combat and thinks it is just some kind of game. I hope he rest well when one our women gets captured and raped.

You mean raped repeatedly, sodomized and tortured I think.

Hate to tell you. But a woman in our armed forces is more likely to get raped by one of her fellow soldiers than from the enemy

I doubt that.

However, imagine if women outnumbered men 20 to 1. I seriously doubt there would be many rapes.

 

[Katzndogz]

Women think that combat is a Hollywood movie. It will all be okay. After all didn't Demi Moore become a Seal? If she could do it, so could they.

 

[bodecea]

A nation that does not protect its women is a nation lost, in my opinion. Its not just that women do not have the ability it a natural law kind of thing.

But it is just an indication of the further deterioration of our country.

I really think Penetta has no idea about combat and thinks it is just some kind of game. I hope he rest well when one our women gets captured and raped.

I don't see any difference between beatings and rapes for ether sex. These rags are a bunch homos who rapes ambassador Stevens. I don't think that sick act is any less sick than raping one of "your" women.

Look at the lies continuing.

 

[Katzndogz]

A nation that does not protect its women is a nation lost, in my opinion. Its not just that women do not have the ability it a natural law kind of thing.

But it is just an indication of the further deterioration of our country.

I really think Penetta has no idea about combat and thinks it is just some kind of game. I hope he rest well when one our women gets captured and raped.

I don't see any difference between beatings and rapes for ether sex. These rags are a bunch homos who rapes ambassador Stevens. I don't think that sick act is any less sick than raping one of "your" women.

If Ambassador Stevens was raped like Gaddafi was raped, it wasn't by a bunch of homos. They used a baton.

 

[freedombecki]

Women don't need your fucking protection. They're more than capable.

Are you prepared for lawsuits when women realize their sterility came from contamination in battlefield and war conditions and were not warned by their COs that they might never be able to bear children as a consequence of their service? That could cost them a marriage, too, Cowman, if they didn't mention their sterility risk to their prospective spouse. Some men expect their woman to give them children to comfort them in their old age. Everybody has different requirements, and some people are traditionalists who have no interest in venturing out to the experimental lengths that liberals in Congress are foisting on all Americans. Others are okay with anything.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Women already serve in combat zones, so this really isn't anything new to the thousands of women who have served in these areas, honestly.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Another reality is that most women will not be able to lug 100+ lbs of gear on a ten mile hike. PERIOD.

Prediction: At some point there will be a quota system requiring xx% of all combat troops be women which means standards will be lowered.... just like many fire departments have done.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Women think that combat is a Hollywood movie. It will all be okay. After all didn't Demi Moore become a Seal? If she could do it, so could they.

The women who have seen combat over the last ten years, including those who have been wounded and killed, know better.