The Reagan wit.

[Wow]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOgYbr234Q&feature=related]YouTube - President Reagan's Humor[/ame]

 

[RamonPreston]

President Reagan's memory loss might be humerous if President Bush didn't have the same problem. He has forgotten that it was the American voters and taxpayers who put him in office to serve THEM, not the oil companies and drug companies. Too bad we can't impeach him for raping the American consumers who have to pay high prescription drug prices and gasoline and heating oil prices because of his policies.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

It was really funny when he couldn't remember he sold missiles to Iran so he could fund civilian-slaughtering terrorists in Nicaragua.

What a guy, a real joker.

 

[Tristan]

It was really funny when he couldn't remember he sold missiles to Iran so he could fund civilian-slaughtering terrorists in Nicaragua.

What a guy, a real joker.

I thought Liberals were pro-civilian-slaughtering terrorists (hezbollah, al qaeda, hamas, et al)

Also, fwiw, we didn't sell missiles to "Iran". We sold them to anti-Ayatollah Khomeini moderates. And the money didn't go to terrorist in Nicaragua, it went to Contra's fighting the terror of communism there. Also the "scandal" devolved into an arms for hostages deal sans authorization of President. (remember Col. North?)

win-win-win. (scandalous!!!!) LOL

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It was really funny when he couldn't remember he sold missiles to Iran so he could fund civilian-slaughtering terrorists in Nicaragua.

What a guy, a real joker.

The US Government sold nothing to Iran. The weapons and material were legally sold to an arms dealer and THOSE arms dealers sold the weapons to Iran. Weren't you just arguing for precedent and correct interpretation of events in another thread?

 

[editec]

The US Government sold nothing to Iran. The weapons and material were legally sold to an arms dealer and THOSE arms dealers sold the weapons to Iran. Weren't you just arguing for precedent and correct interpretation of events in another thread?

Wrong.

Selling arms knowing that they would eventually end up in the hands of terrorists was not legal.

Did they know where those arms were headed?

Yes, they did.

You don't have your facts straight.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wrong.

Selling arms knowing that they would eventually end up in the hands of terrorists was not legal.

Did they know where those arms were headed?

Yes, they did.

You don't have your facts straight.

Wrong again. The Government never sold a single thing to terrorists or Iran. By the way aren't you one of the people that argue that Iran is NOT a terrorist organization?

Once again for the slow, the weapons were sold to authorized weapons dealers. Those weapons dealers sold them to Iran. Once the weapons were sold legally the money from reselling them is not Government money. An argument could be made that if the Government KNEW the weapons were going to an unauthorized source they should not have sold them. But Reagan was never linked to that at all, just Col North and Admiral Pointdexter and I believe 3 civilians.

Congress tried to argue that the proceeds from the second sale was Government funds but that is not what they got North on, they got him on accepting a Security system for his house and on bad record keeping for travel checks.

 

[editec]

You are misinformed, Gunny.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You are misinformed, Gunny.

I watched all the testimony when North was before Congress. He made them look petty and stupid.

 

[editec]

That is why you were misinformed, gunny.

North was a liar.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That is why you were misinformed, gunny.

North was a liar.

Nope. North made them look stupid because he refused to be interviewed before hand, the entire public Congressional hearings were a joke, they interviewed everyone months before and then carefully picked which questions to ask them on Air. North wouldn't play so they did not know what his answers would be, the only thing he talked to them before hand about was whether Reagan knew or not.

 

[editec]

Guess we just have to agree to disagree unless you're interested in actually reading up on that subject.

Try reading a book written by Senators William S. Cohen (R) and Senator George Mitchell (D), about the Iran-Contra affair in [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Men-Zeal-William-Cohen/dp/0140110895"]Men of Zeal.[/ame]

I think you might find their account of the Iran/Contra affair quite illuminating.

 

[Shogun]

The US Government sold nothing to Iran. The weapons and material were legally sold to an arms dealer and THOSE arms dealers sold the weapons to Iran. Weren't you just arguing for precedent and correct interpretation of events in another thread?

dude.. gimme a break. is that the kind of shit you'd accept if the items sold were nukes instead of guns?

 

[jillian]

Wrong again. The Government never sold a single thing to terrorists or Iran. By the way aren't you one of the people that argue that Iran is NOT a terrorist organization?

Once again for the slow, the weapons were sold to authorized weapons dealers. Those weapons dealers sold them to Iran. Once the weapons were sold legally the money from reselling them is not Government money. An argument could be made that if the Government KNEW the weapons were going to an unauthorized source they should not have sold them. But Reagan was never linked to that at all, just Col North and Admiral Pointdexter and I believe 3 civilians.

Congress tried to argue that the proceeds from the second sale was Government funds but that is not what they got North on, they got him on accepting a Security system for his house and on bad record keeping for travel checks.

please tell me you don't believe that....

It began as an operation to increase U.S.-Iranian relations, wherein Israel would ship weapons to a moderate, politically influential group of Iranians opposed to the Ayatollah Khomeini; the U.S. would reimburse Israel with those weapons and receive payment from Israel. The moderate Iranians agreed to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by Hezbollah. The plan eventually deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages, without the direct authorization of President Ronald Reagan.[1][2] Large modifications to the plan were conjured by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985. In North's plan, a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[3] While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[4] there has not been any evidence uncovered showing that he authorized this plan.[1][2][5]

Iran-Contra affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RetiredGySgt]

please tell me you don't believe that....



Iran-Contra affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Once again the actual sale was not a direct one, the weapons were sold to arms dealers that then sold them to Iran. Might want to actually check your facts. Ohh and check my thread on North and you will find he was not convicted of any diversion of funds or sale of weapons.

 

[AllieBaba]

The truth is wasted on those who hate the US.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

And the money didn't go to terrorist in Nicaragua, it went to Contra's fighting the terror of communism there.

The Contras were a terrorist organization founded on the remnants of the National Guard, the brutal state police of the murderous regime of Anastacio Somoza and his heirs (Somoza's SS, if you will). They were universally condemned by human rights groups for their repertoir of terrorist tactics (rape, torture, murders, political assassinations, etc.), to topple a freely elected government (by the standards of basically all international observers, including Americans).

I'll leave you guys to debate whether it was the US itself or a proxy on orders to sell guns to Iran. It's really of no concern. They could've sold candy to get the funds; it doesn't change the fact that they were arming a horrible and brutal bunch of terrorists.

 

[jillian]

Once again the actual sale was not a direct one, the weapons were sold to arms dealers that then sold them to Iran. Might want to actually check your facts. Ohh and check my thread on North and you will find he was not convicted of any diversion of funds or sale of weapons.

okie dokie honey... and of course he wasn't pardoned either, right?

tell me, do you always defend the indefensible when it's on your side of the fence?

oh wait... never mind. silly question

 

[AllieBaba]

It's amusing to see to what lengths and how far people will look to discredit others.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

okie dokie honey... and of course he wasn't pardoned either, right?

tell me, do you always defend the indefensible when it's on your side of the fence?

oh wait... never mind. silly question

I provided facts, you don't like them? To damn bad.