The Post-Trump GOP

[Mac1958]

The trump loving GOP should never be placed in a position to govern again.. The Biden DOJ needs to prosecute them all for Sedition.

The problem is that we need two (at least) strong, rational, serious parties to keep the other in check. We just don't have that right now.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The Trump brand is very popular. We could see Don Trump Junior or Ivanka Trump running in 2024.

Not being a Trump is more popular. As witnessed by the popular vote plus the electoral college.

The base of the Biden winning coalition is the multicultural pluralistic center joined at the hip with never Trumpers. The base of Trumpism is white right wing Christian religious extremism supported financially by Corporate and wealthy interests.

Trumpism has no successful political future knowing that Trump and his followers become fully irrelevant in a month.

 

[bendog]

I've never been sure what Trumpism is supposed to be. His followers are inconsistent. His entire message is inconsistent and incoherent. He never forced the parties to agreement and he never passed a real middle class tax reform. He blew up the deficits even before covid.

China's econ grew and their influence increased. His trade war was a failure before he started it. Our exports grew faster before his admin and our imports have still increased. Our gnp at best grew as is had with both W and Obama and our influence declined.

Low skilled jobs are not coming back if they can be outsourced. Warehouse jobs don't pay liveable wages and neither does Wal-Mart.

The gop is still the party benefiting the 1%. (I'm not jumping for joy over the dems and AOC either)

Ending perpetual war is a positive.

 

[Thunderbird]

Hey JoeB131, give it up. LOL

We both know you are lying. You said the Nazis were not condemned for pushing abortion. You lied.

Kind of fun watching you squirm, but you can’t twist away from the facts. Abortion was one way the Nazis attacked their enemies.

Regarding the Nazis and guns here’s a Hitler quote: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.”

You posted: “If someone is aborting a fetus that is in the later stages of development, it's because something went horribly wrong in the pregnancy and terminating it is the merciful thing to do.”

Another lie! Check this out: Why Are Late-Term Abortions Performed?

I think you have to ask yourself why you need to lie so much. Why do you lie in service to an industry that tortures near infants to death?

 

[JoeB131]

Hey JoeB131, give it up. LOL

We both know you are lying. You said the Nazis were not condemned for pushing abortion. You lied.

Kind of fun watching you squirm, but you can’t twist away from the facts. Abortion was one way the Nazis attacked their enemies.

Except they did no such thing... Why would they need to? They were already planning to exterminate whole populations, no need to do an abortion when a bullet gets the job done better.

Regarding the Nazis and guns here’s a Hitler quote: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.”

Two issues with this quote. The first one is that it comes from "Hitler's Table Talk", a book that has been largely discredited by most historians. The main source for validating them was Howard Trevor Roper, a guy who also later claimed the forged Hitler Diaries were the real thing.

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The second is, even if you take it at face value, Hitler isn't talking about his own people, he's talking about conquered and defeated nations.

FACT CHECK: Adolf Hitler - To Conquer a Nation

Did Adolf Hitler once say that 'To conquer a nation, you must first disarm its citizens'?

www.snopes.com

The reality, of course, that every country the Axis invaded, they recruited local forces to fight with them. That's why all the war criminals the Zionists have dragged out of retirement homes to put on trial in recent decades have been non-Germans.

You posted: “If someone is aborting a fetus that is in the later stages of development, it's because something went horribly wrong in the pregnancy and terminating it is the merciful thing to do.”

Another lie! Check this out:

Crazy bible thumping websites.

so riddle me this, idiot. I want you to try simple logic here, if you can.

If a woman REALLY doesn't want to have a baby, do you think she's really going to wait until she's six months into morning sickness, to do that procedure when it's a lot more complex and a lot more expensive?

Of course she isn't.

If she's having an abortion in month six, it's probably after she has picked out a baby name and painted a room, only to find out something has gone horribly wrong with the pregnancy- The fetus is deformed or there's a threat to her health.

And you religious fuckers really need to mind your own fucking business.

 

[Thunderbird]

Hey JoeB131, give it up. LOL

We both know you are lying. You said the Nazis were not condemned for pushing abortion. You lied.

Kind of fun watching you squirm, but you can’t twist away from the facts. Abortion was one way the Nazis attacked their enemies.

Except they did no such thing... Why would they need to? They were already planning to exterminate whole populations, no need to do an abortion when a bullet gets the job done better.

Regarding the Nazis and guns here’s a Hitler quote: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.”

Two issues with this quote. The first one is that it comes from "Hitler's Table Talk", a book that has been largely discredited by most historians. The main source for validating them was Howard Trevor Roper, a guy who also later claimed the forged Hitler Diaries were the real thing.

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

The second is, even if you take it at face value, Hitler isn't talking about his own people, he's talking about conquered and defeated nations.

FACT CHECK: Adolf Hitler - To Conquer a Nation

Did Adolf Hitler once say that 'To conquer a nation, you must first disarm its citizens'?

www.snopes.com

The reality, of course, that every country the Axis invaded, they recruited local forces to fight with them. That's why all the war criminals the Zionists have dragged out of retirement homes to put on trial in recent decades have been non-Germans.

You posted: “If someone is aborting a fetus that is in the later stages of development, it's because something went horribly wrong in the pregnancy and terminating it is the merciful thing to do.”

Another lie! Check this out:

Crazy bible thumping websites.

so riddle me this, idiot. I want you to try simple logic here, if you can.

If a woman REALLY doesn't want to have a baby, do you think she's really going to wait until she's six months into morning sickness, to do that procedure when it's a lot more complex and a lot more expensive?

Of course she isn't.

If she's having an abortion in month six, it's probably after she has picked out a baby name and painted a room, only to find out something has gone horribly wrong with the pregnancy- The fetus is deformed or there's a threat to her health.

And you religious fuckers really need to mind your own fucking business.

You say Hitler's Table Talk has been largely discredited by most historians. Where’s your evidence for this statement? Do you speak for the history profession now? Could it be you are talking out of your ass again? LOL

Your first website discusses the debate about the English translation. The second website validates the quote I provided.

Did you even look at the website I linked to? Of course not reading hurts your brain.

Maybe you atheists should stop pushing for the murder of children. Maybe you should stop lying to women about abortion.

 

[JoeB131]

You say Hitler's Table Talk has been largely discredited by most historians. Where’s your evidence for this statement? Do you speak for the history profession now? Could it be you are talking out of your ass again? LOL

I gave you a link. The problem with Hitler's Table Talk is that it was "verified" by the same clown who told us the forged Hitler Diaries were real in the 1980's.

Did you even look at the website I linked to? Of course not reading hurts your brain.

Don't waste my time on Christian Idiot websites, life is too short.

Maybe you atheists should stop pushing for the murder of children. Maybe you should stop lying to women about abortion.

Again, guy, you live under a lot of delusions about abortion.

The first is that any woman who gets one doesn't know exactly what she is doing.

The second is that abortion laws make any difference.

Now, if you guys were serious about wanting less abortions, there's a whole bunch of liberal policies you could support. Things they already do in Western Europe, such as paid family leave, universal health care, social service support.... But that's too "Socialistic" for you guys, so you won't do it.

Abortion is another way the Rich get you stupid rubes to vote against your own economic interests. It's why even though Republicans have put 11 justices on SCOTUS since 1973, Roe V. Wade is still the law of the land.

 

[Thunderbird]

You say Hitler's Table Talk has been largely discredited by most historians. Where’s your evidence for this statement? Do you speak for the history profession now? Could it be you are talking out of your ass again? LOL

I gave you a link. The problem with Hitler's Table Talk is that it was "verified" by the same clown who told us the forged Hitler Diaries were real in the 1980's.

Did you even look at the website I linked to? Of course not reading hurts your brain.

Don't waste my time on Christian Idiot websites, life is too short.

Maybe you atheists should stop pushing for the murder of children. Maybe you should stop lying to women about abortion.

Again, guy, you live under a lot of delusions about abortion.

The first is that any woman who gets one doesn't know exactly what she is doing.

The second is that abortion laws make any difference.

Now, if you guys were serious about wanting less abortions, there's a whole bunch of liberal policies you could support. Things they already do in Western Europe, such as paid family leave, universal health care, social service support.... But that's too "Socialistic" for you guys, so you won't do it.

Abortion is another way the Rich get you stupid rubes to vote against your own economic interests. It's why even though Republicans have put 11 justices on SCOTUS since 1973, Roe V. Wade is still the law of the land.

You said Table Talk was discredited by most historians. The one criticizing Trevor Roper is that crazy Richard Carrier who is known for his fringe theories. So again you have failed to support your claim.

Historian Richard Jonhstone has differed with Carrier regarding Table Talk. See: Amazon.com

You have no idea what health care policies I do or do not support. You keep trying to change the topic when you get caught in one of your lies.

Are European health care systems so perfect?

More facts for you to hide from: Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year

Some Republicans are racists who want to get rid of people of color, maybe that’s why Roe v. Wade survives.

The Alt-Right Carries on Margaret Sanger’s Legacy of Eugenics | National Review

Margaret Sanger, favored birth as a tool for rooting out society’s ‘undesirables.’ Richard Spencer and the racist alt-right support abortion for the same reason.

www.nationalreview.com

If you think Democrat politicians don’t serve corporations and billionaires you must be very stupid.

Kamala Harris is the choice Joe Biden needed to win over Silicon Valley

 

[JoeB131]

You said Table Talk was discredited by most historians. The one criticizing Trevor Roper is that crazy Richard Carrier who is known for his fringe theories. So again you have failed to support your claim.

It was discredited by most historians.... just like the Hitler diaries, that Trever-Roper said was also 100% legit.

Are European health care systems so perfect?

More facts for you to hide from

British Average Life Span- 81.77 years.
US Average life span - 79.11

Yes, the British are doing it better.

Some Republicans are racists who want to get rid of people of color, maybe that’s why Roe v. Wade survives.

Naw, man, Roe v. Wade survives because Abortion laws are unworkable. Of the 7 who voted for it in 1973, Five were Republicans.

You see, in 1973, you had abortion laws on the books that no one was enforcing. That's why no one at the time thought it was that controversial. Even the minority said the states should overturn them, not the Court.

Then the CHristian Right needed an issue to fool stupid people. But enough Republican justices realize what a clusterfuck it would be to overturn it. Look for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to have a Come To Jesus moment on Roe.

Also, Margeret Sanger was opposed to legal abortion.

Birth-control advocate Sanger opposed abortion

Margaret Sanger visited Elizabeth City in November 1919 to give lectures on birth control. This was the very first lecture series about birth control given in the South.

www.dailyadvance.com

For good reasons. In the 1920's, abortion was still a pretty dangerous proposition, antibiotics weren't a thing.

No one deluded themselves into thinking fetuses were people.

If you think Democrat politicians don’t serve corporations and billionaires you must be very stupid.

Not to the degree Republicans do, and Silicon Valley isn't intent on dismantling the middle class like the GOP has been doing for the last 40 years.

 

[Flopper]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

One of the major issues for the GOP and Dems is going be the deficit. This year, it's looking like 3 to 4 trillion more debt. Making matters even worse, Covid has damn near bankrupted many states and the blood letting is not over yet. The GOP fixation on Trump will not last long. They fear him now but that will not last. He lost the popular vote by 2.8 million in 2016 and lost the popular vote and the election in 2020 by 7 million votes. That is not indicative of future political success.

 

[Thunderbird]

You said Table Talk was discredited by most historians. The one criticizing Trevor Roper is that crazy Richard Carrier who is known for his fringe theories. So again you have failed to support your claim.

It was discredited by most historians.... just like the Hitler diaries, that Trever-Roper said was also 100% legit.

Are European health care systems so perfect?

More facts for you to hide from

British Average Life Span- 81.77 years.
US Average life span - 79.11

Yes, the British are doing it better.

Some Republicans are racists who want to get rid of people of color, maybe that’s why Roe v. Wade survives.

Naw, man, Roe v. Wade survives because Abortion laws are unworkable. Of the 7 who voted for it in 1973, Five were Republicans.

You see, in 1973, you had abortion laws on the books that no one was enforcing. That's why no one at the time thought it was that controversial. Even the minority said the states should overturn them, not the Court.

Then the CHristian Right needed an issue to fool stupid people. But enough Republican justices realize what a clusterfuck it would be to overturn it. Look for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to have a Come To Jesus moment on Roe.

Also, Margeret Sanger was opposed to legal abortion.

Birth-control advocate Sanger opposed abortion

Margaret Sanger visited Elizabeth City in November 1919 to give lectures on birth control. This was the very first lecture series about birth control given in the South.

www.dailyadvance.com

For good reasons. In the 1920's, abortion was still a pretty dangerous proposition, antibiotics weren't a thing.

No one deluded themselves into thinking fetuses were people.

If you think Democrat politicians don’t serve corporations and billionaires you must be very stupid.

Not to the degree Republicans do, and Silicon Valley isn't intent on dismantling the middle class like the GOP has been doing for the last 40 years.

Americans are more likely to be obese. Americans also smoke more. This could account for the difference in life spans.

Consider: 7 Things You Need To Know About Britain's Failing Nationalized Health System

I know you feel women love their job in accounts receivable or medical billing so much they have an uncontrollable desire to kill their child if he or she interferes with said job.

I also know you ignore facts that fail to buttress your prejudices but here are some studies anyway: How the Legal Status of Abortion Impacts Abortion Rates | Charlotte Lozier Institute

Too bad your mind is nailed shut. You might learn something.

Of course abortion was very controversial in 1973.

Killing unborn babies was too horrible even for Sanger, at least at some points in her career.

You poor innocent little fawn, you don’t realize the Democrats are controlled by plutocrats. These plutocrats buy up the politicians in order to control the government and the people.

Some examples:

How Joe Biden helped build a financial system that’s great for Delaware banks and terrible for the rest of us

"Biden’s banking votes have stuck with him because their effects have stuck with us."

www.motherjones.com

Dem Senator's Husband Tied To Questionable Dealings With U.S. Postal Service

Dem Senator's Husband Tied To Questionable Dealings With U.S. Postal Service

m.huffpost.com

Calls Made For Assembly Speaker Silver To Resign After Corruption Charges

WESTCHESTER COUNTY, N.Y. -- New York State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver turned himself in to authorities at 8 a.m. on Thursday morning and is facing potential charges of corruption, according to nystateofpolitics.com. The Manhattan-ba…

dailyvoice.com

17 Democrats Who Weren’t Held Accountable for Scandals by Their Constituents

pjmedia.com

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Setting the Bar for Corruption

And about Silicon Valley:

Google’s monopoly is killing small business

Is Google a harmful monopoly? To get your answer, you didn’t have to go any further than MozCon.

thehill.com

There’s many more examples.

 

[JoeB131]

Americans are more likely to be obese. Americans also smoke more. This could account for the difference in life spans.

Or here's an easier thing. Before ACA, one out of four Americans had either no insurance or inadequate insurance. People don't see doctors, they don't get good health care.

Or are you one these nitwits who thinks our system is great because the rich can get treatments the rest of us can't afford?

I know you feel women love their job in accounts receivable or medical billing so much they have an uncontrollable desire to kill their child if he or she interferes with said job.

Again, women don't think of a fetus they don't want as a child, and no matter how much you scream JESUS at them or show them pictures of whatever you fished out of a medical waste container, they aren't going to care.

If Globby the Fetus is going to mess up your life plan, into the medical waste container he goes...

I also know you ignore facts that fail to buttress your prejudices but here are some studies anyway

Too bad your mind is nailed shut. You might learn something.

Of course abortion was very controversial in 1973.

Actually, it really wasn't. The laws weren't being enforced by 1973. They were still on the books, and largely ignored. You wanted little Globby out of your life, you went to your OB/GYN, little Globby got sucked into a sink, and they wrote something else down on the chart.

Here's the thing, buddy. Check out the birth rates. If you look at the figures of live births from the 1970's, there is no big drop after 1973.

Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year

The following table shows the number of live births and the birth rate in the United States between 1910 and...

www.infoplease.com

I ignore everything from Bible Thumping Morons on this subject. Reality Check, I got subjected to the Fetus Porn as early as Grammar School when the Old Lesbians in Habits showed us these graphic pictures before we hit puberty. And when the girls in our school got knocked up in HS, they went to the clinic and got rid of Globby.

Killing unborn babies was too horrible even for Sanger, at least at some points in her career.

Actually, Sanger and everyone else didn't think of Globby as a person. Sanger was against abortions because in the 1920's, they were downright dangerous... But then again, so was Childbirth.

You poor innocent little fawn, you don’t realize the Democrats are controlled by plutocrats. These plutocrats buy up the politicians in order to control the government and the people.

Not to the degree Republicans are...

 

[Thunderbird]

Americans are more likely to be obese. Americans also smoke more. This could account for the difference in life spans.

Or here's an easier thing. Before ACA, one out of four Americans had either no insurance or inadequate insurance. People don't see doctors, they don't get good health care.

Or are you one these nitwits who thinks our system is great because the rich can get treatments the rest of us can't afford?

I know you feel women love their job in accounts receivable or medical billing so much they have an uncontrollable desire to kill their child if he or she interferes with said job.

Again, women don't think of a fetus they don't want as a child, and no matter how much you scream JESUS at them or show them pictures of whatever you fished out of a medical waste container, they aren't going to care.

If Globby the Fetus is going to mess up your life plan, into the medical waste container he goes...

I also know you ignore facts that fail to buttress your prejudices but here are some studies anyway

Too bad your mind is nailed shut. You might learn something.

Of course abortion was very controversial in 1973.

Actually, it really wasn't. The laws weren't being enforced by 1973. They were still on the books, and largely ignored. You wanted little Globby out of your life, you went to your OB/GYN, little Globby got sucked into a sink, and they wrote something else down on the chart.

Here's the thing, buddy. Check out the birth rates. If you look at the figures of live births from the 1970's, there is no big drop after 1973.

Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year

The following table shows the number of live births and the birth rate in the United States between 1910 and...

www.infoplease.com

I ignore everything from Bible Thumping Morons on this subject. Reality Check, I got subjected to the Fetus Porn as early as Grammar School when the Old Lesbians in Habits showed us these graphic pictures before we hit puberty. And when the girls in our school got knocked up in HS, they went to the clinic and got rid of Globby.

Killing unborn babies was too horrible even for Sanger, at least at some points in her career.

Actually, Sanger and everyone else didn't think of Globby as a person. Sanger was against abortions because in the 1920's, they were downright dangerous... But then again, so was Childbirth.

You poor innocent little fawn, you don’t realize the Democrats are controlled by plutocrats. These plutocrats buy up the politicians in order to control the government and the people.

Not to the degree Republicans are...

Lots of problems with ACA: Why Obamacare Will Continue to Be a Failure

Your bloodlust for killing unborn babies is sick. Have you seen a psychiatrist?

Quote from JoeB131: “If Globby the Fetus is going to mess up your life plan, into the medical waste container he goes...”

I’ve debated many people regarding abortion, but I’ve never met anyone so eager to kill small vulnerable humans.

And check out this chart:

You feel most women are dying to get abortions. Why do you suppose places like Idaho have far fewer abortions than places like California?

Too bad you are an ignorant dupe who doesn't realize you are being used by Democrat politicians and lobbyists. How they must laugh at dopes like you!

Whatever you do don’t follow this link: Democrats Warm To Corporate Welfare

 

[JoeB131]

Lots of problems with ACA:

Sure there are. We should have gone to single payer, but Big Insurance was against that.

The ironic thing about the ACA is that it was what Repukes wanted for years, UNTIL THE BLACK GUY DID IT.

Then they spent the last 8 years sabotaging their own idea.

Your bloodlust for killing unborn babies is sick. Have you seen a psychiatrist?

Quote from JoeB131: “If Globby the Fetus is going to mess up your life plan, into the medical waste container he goes...”

I’ve debated many people regarding abortion, but I’ve never met anyone so eager to kill small vulnerable humans.

fetuses aren't people... and yeah, if the woman wants a baby, it's a beautiful thing. If she doesn't, it's medical waste.

And check out this chart:

That chart is kind of bullshit, because it only lists RECORDED abortions... clearly, when abortions were illegal, they were still being performed, just not reported. The more telling stat is the birth numbers. They didn't drop drastically in 1973. Or 1974, By 1975, they were starting to creep back up again.

NOW- for your chart to make sense, either abortions weren't being reported, or women were specifically getting knocked up so they could abort their fetuses... which do you think was more likely?

You feel most women are dying to get abortions. Why do you suppose places like Idaho have far fewer abortions than places like California?

Ah, Idaho, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. Mostly because women in Idaho only have 3 abortion clinics, while neighboring WA and OR have 56 between them. So if you are a woman in Idaho who wants to get rid of little Globby, you just drive over to a neighboring state.

Guttmacher Data Center

data.guttmacher.org

Too bad you are an ignorant dupe who doesn't realize you are being used by Democrat politicians and lobbyists. How they must laugh at dopes like you!

Hey, funny thing. Up until 2008, when the religious crazies took over the party, I voted straight Republican in every election from 1980 to 2008.

Then this funny thing happened. The Religious nuts, gun nuts and libertarian Crazies took over the GOP.

What does the GOP stand for now? It has renounced Nixon, Ford, both Bushes, McCain and Romney. they only guy they still hold in high regard is Reagan, and that's because they forget half the stuff Reagan actually did. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they pretend they really didn't like Trump, either.

The telling moment for me was in the aftermath of the 2008 election, and the GOP rolled out it's "All-Stars". You had Mitt Romney who thinks he's wearing Magic Underwear, Sarah Palin, who goes to a church that invites Witch-Hunters to speak, Piyush "Bobby" Jindahl, who really thinks he performed an exorcism in college, and Mike Huckabee, who doesn't think Evolution was a thing and believes the rapture is going to happen.

Yup, it's 2008, we have computers and space shuttle and Bronze Age superstitions.

 

[Thunderbird]

Lots of problems with ACA:

Sure there are. We should have gone to single payer, but Big Insurance was against that.

The ironic thing about the ACA is that it was what Repukes wanted for years, UNTIL THE BLACK GUY DID IT.

Then they spent the last 8 years sabotaging their own idea.

Your bloodlust for killing unborn babies is sick. Have you seen a psychiatrist?

Quote from JoeB131: “If Globby the Fetus is going to mess up your life plan, into the medical waste container he goes...”

I’ve debated many people regarding abortion, but I’ve never met anyone so eager to kill small vulnerable humans.

fetuses aren't people... and yeah, if the woman wants a baby, it's a beautiful thing. If she doesn't, it's medical waste.

And check out this chart:

That chart is kind of bullshit, because it only lists RECORDED abortions... clearly, when abortions were illegal, they were still being performed, just not reported. The more telling stat is the birth numbers. They didn't drop drastically in 1973. Or 1974, By 1975, they were starting to creep back up again.

NOW- for your chart to make sense, either abortions weren't being reported, or women were specifically getting knocked up so they could abort their fetuses... which do you think was more likely?

You feel most women are dying to get abortions. Why do you suppose places like Idaho have far fewer abortions than places like California?

Ah, Idaho, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. Mostly because women in Idaho only have 3 abortion clinics, while neighboring WA and OR have 56 between them. So if you are a woman in Idaho who wants to get rid of little Globby, you just drive over to a neighboring state.

Guttmacher Data Center

data.guttmacher.org

Too bad you are an ignorant dupe who doesn't realize you are being used by Democrat politicians and lobbyists. How they must laugh at dopes like you!

Hey, funny thing. Up until 2008, when the religious crazies took over the party, I voted straight Republican in every election from 1980 to 2008.

Then this funny thing happened. The Religious nuts, gun nuts and libertarian Crazies took over the GOP.

What does the GOP stand for now? It has renounced Nixon, Ford, both Bushes, McCain and Romney. they only guy they still hold in high regard is Reagan, and that's because they forget half the stuff Reagan actually did. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they pretend they really didn't like Trump, either.

The telling moment for me was in the aftermath of the 2008 election, and the GOP rolled out it's "All-Stars". You had Mitt Romney who thinks he's wearing Magic Underwear, Sarah Palin, who goes to a church that invites Witch-Hunters to speak, Piyush "Bobby" Jindahl, who really thinks he performed an exorcism in college, and Mike Huckabee, who doesn't think Evolution was a thing and believes the rapture is going to happen.

Yup, it's 2008, we have computers and space shuttle and Bronze Age superstitions.

Obama was bought by the big insurance companies.

Obama Received $20 Million from Healthcare Industry in 2008 Campaign

Almost three times the amount given to McCain

www.commondreams.org

Why do some people think single payer is a panacea?

Why single payer health care is a terrible option

Despite its decades of documented failure in Western Europe, single-payer health care has newfound among support Democrats -- and it could come at great cost to the American people, writes Scott W. Atlas

www.cnn.com

You really think babies = medical waste?!

Premature baby similar to those JoeB131 considers “medical waste”:

You really ought to acknowledge that certain societies possess cultures or legal systems that are pro-natalist. These societies avoid the demographic death spiral you are so worried about. Women are not an undifferentiated mass of killers all focused on eliminating their children.

Your history of the Republican Party is preposterous. Back in the 1980s Republicans championed Second Amendment rights, embraced libertarians, supported Christian conservatives. Do you remember Jerry Falwell Sr. and Pat Robertson?

Who was more liberal regarding homosexual rights, Gerald Ford or Trump?

Log Cabin Republicans chair: LGBT Americans belong in Donald Trump's Republican Party

While Democrats take the lesbian and gay community for granted, Donald Trump's Republican Party is delivering real results.

www.usatoday.com

 

[JoeB131]

Ahhh, our Daily Does of Crazy from Thunderbird.

Obama was bought by the big insurance companies.

Wow, guy that was pretty dishonest, when you diverted from "insurance companies" to health care industry. Health care is 1/7th of our economy, of course, they are contributing to everyone...

Here's the thing. Obama actually wanted things the Insurance companies were dead set against, such as a Medicare Buy In and a Public Option, which were in the HOUSE version of the Bill.

The guy who was on the payrollof the Insurance Industry was Joe Lieberjew, (D- Zionist Entity) who thinks that only Israelis deserve health coverage, not Americans.

Why do some people think single payer is a panacea?

Mostly because it gets rid of overhead and isn't driven by profit. Also because other countries that have it are doing better in almost every metric than we are.

You really think babies = medical waste?!

Premature baby similar to those JoeB131 considers “medical waste”:

No, dummy, that baby was actually born and wanted by it's parents. Fetuses aren't babies, they aren't people and if the woman it's inside doesn't want it, it's medical waste.

You really ought to acknowledge that certain societies possess cultures or legal systems that are pro-natalist. These societies avoid the demographic death spiral you are so worried about. Women are not an undifferentiated mass of killers all focused on eliminating their children.

Again, sounds like you never knew a woman who had an abortion.... I could make some truly vulgar comments, but I'm above that sort of thing.

I, on the other hand, have, including that young Asian lady who had two abortions because she didn't want her parents to know she wasn't still a virgin at 22. No. Seriously. End of the day, it's her body and her choice.

Your history of the Republican Party is preposterous. Back in the 1980s Republicans championed Second Amendment rights, embraced libertarians, supported Christian conservatives. Do you remember Jerry Falwell Sr. and Pat Robertson?

Okay, now I know you are young. I was there in the 1980's, we treated the Libertarians as a joke. David Koch lost badly and then used his money to start infiltrating the GOP.

Sadly, I do remember Falwell, Robertson and every other fucking religious hypocrite of the 1980's. And when they weren't paying off church secretaries, they were getting caught paying hookers. Phonies, all. Reagan was smart enough to keep them at arms length.

Second Amendment rights? Thing was, Reagan was all for common sense gun control after a crazy person bought a gun at a pawn shop, put a hole in his chest and lobotomized his press secretary. After Ruby Ridge, the National Rampage Association called agents of ATF "Jack Booted Thugs", and Bush Sr. quit the organization. That's when Republicans had INTEGRITY.

Who was more liberal regarding homosexual rights, Gerald Ford or Trump?

Um, actually Ford didn't try to take away the few rights gay people had in the 1970's.... while Trump has tried to roll back LGBTQ rights.

 

[Thunderbird]

Ahhh, our Daily Does of Crazy from Thunderbird.

Obama was bought by the big insurance companies.

Wow, guy that was pretty dishonest, when you diverted from "insurance companies" to health care industry. Health care is 1/7th of our economy, of course, they are contributing to everyone...

Here's the thing. Obama actually wanted things the Insurance companies were dead set against, such as a Medicare Buy In and a Public Option, which were in the HOUSE version of the Bill.

The guy who was on the payrollof the Insurance Industry was Joe Lieberjew, (D- Zionist Entity) who thinks that only Israelis deserve health coverage, not Americans.

Why do some people think single payer is a panacea?

Mostly because it gets rid of overhead and isn't driven by profit. Also because other countries that have it are doing better in almost every metric than we are.

You really think babies = medical waste?!

Premature baby similar to those JoeB131 considers “medical waste”:

No, dummy, that baby was actually born and wanted by it's parents. Fetuses aren't babies, they aren't people and if the woman it's inside doesn't want it, it's medical waste.

You really ought to acknowledge that certain societies possess cultures or legal systems that are pro-natalist. These societies avoid the demographic death spiral you are so worried about. Women are not an undifferentiated mass of killers all focused on eliminating their children.

Again, sounds like you never knew a woman who had an abortion.... I could make some truly vulgar comments, but I'm above that sort of thing.

I, on the other hand, have, including that young Asian lady who had two abortions because she didn't want her parents to know she wasn't still a virgin at 22. No. Seriously. End of the day, it's her body and her choice.

Your history of the Republican Party is preposterous. Back in the 1980s Republicans championed Second Amendment rights, embraced libertarians, supported Christian conservatives. Do you remember Jerry Falwell Sr. and Pat Robertson?

Okay, now I know you are young. I was there in the 1980's, we treated the Libertarians as a joke. David Koch lost badly and then used his money to start infiltrating the GOP.

Sadly, I do remember Falwell, Robertson and every other fucking religious hypocrite of the 1980's. And when they weren't paying off church secretaries, they were getting caught paying hookers. Phonies, all. Reagan was smart enough to keep them at arms length.

Second Amendment rights? Thing was, Reagan was all for common sense gun control after a crazy person bought a gun at a pawn shop, put a hole in his chest and lobotomized his press secretary. After Ruby Ridge, the National Rampage Association called agents of ATF "Jack Booted Thugs", and Bush Sr. quit the organization. That's when Republicans had INTEGRITY.

Who was more liberal regarding homosexual rights, Gerald Ford or Trump?

Um, actually Ford didn't try to take away the few rights gay people had in the 1970's.... while Trump has tried to roll back LGBTQ rights.

I guess you have to lie so much because the ideology you are propping up is so asinine.

Obama received almost 3X as much from the health industry as McCain. Obama happily served the insurance industry.

Insurers’ Profits Have Nearly Doubled Since Obama Was Elected - Washington Examiner

In 2008, the year that Barack Obama was elected as president, the combined annual profits of America's ten largest health insurance companies were $8 billion. Under Obamacare, the ten largest health insurers' annual profits have risen to $15 billion. This is another fine example of the natural...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I’m glad you are starting to understand how corrupt Democrat politicians are, including Joe Lieberman.

Babies who aren’t wanted are medical waste?! What a depraved statement!

You should realize many couples are waiting to adopt.

Did you know David Koch loved abortion and unfair trade with China? He also hated Trump.

Did Gerald Ford support gay marriage as Trump does?

Trump is actually more liberal than establishment Republicans. He attacked George Bush II’s wars. Trump also opposed the unfair trade with China so beloved by big corporations. Some on the left have also favored Trump-like immigration restrictions.

Hail Cesar! | National Review

Make Cesar Chavez’s birthday National Border Control Day.

www.nationalreview.com

You seem to be some kind of anti-Christian nut. If you ever stop foaming at the mouth please acknowledge that you anti-Christians can be as awful as anyone.

5 Shocking Real-Life Cases Of Satanic Ritual Killings

5 Shocking Real-Life Cases Of Satanic Ritual Killings from Investigation Discovery

www.investigationdiscovery.com

Tamil Tigers: Suicide Bombing Innovators

Robert Pape, director of the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, examines the decades-long war in Sri Lanka with the Tamil Tigers. The group is reported to have invented the suicide vest, and made suicide bombing their trademark.

www.npr.org

 

[JoeB131]

I guess you have to lie so much because the ideology you are propping up is so asinine.

Obama received almost 3X as much from the health industry as McCain. Obama happily served the insurance industry.

Nobody was keen to donate to McCain... they knew the guy was a sure-fire loser. You have to kind of feel bad for the guy, Bush left him with a wrecked economy and a war based on a lie, but that's what Republicans do. They fuck things up.

The insurance industry hated Obama. They hate the fact that they can't cheat their clients by refusing to cover "Pre-existing conditions" anymore. They hate that they couldn't sell cut-rate insurance that didn't actually cover anything.

I’m glad you are starting to understand how corrupt Democrat politicians are, including Joe Lieberman.

No, LieberJew wasn't a Democrat. The Democrats threw him out for cheerleading Bush's war and the Repukes adopted him.

Babies who aren’t wanted are medical waste?! What a depraved statement!

You should realize many couples are waiting to adopt.

Awesome. They can adopt the poor children of color who are languishing in foster care.

What they can't do if force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want.

Did you know David Koch loved abortion and unfair trade with China? He also hated Trump.

Here's an analogy you need to understand.

David Koch is Dr. Frankenstein.
Trump is the Monster that got out of the Castle and started rampaging the countryside.

Did Gerald Ford support gay marriage as Trump does?

Trump doesn't support gay marriage, or he wouldn't have put Amy "Serena Joy" Barrett on SCOTUS.

Trump is actually more liberal than establishment Republicans. He attacked George Bush II’s wars.

Another RW lie.

Fact check: Trump falsely claims, again, to have opposed the invasion of Iraq | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump has revived one of his most significant false claims from the 2016 presidential election: his inaccurate insistence that he opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

www.cnn.com

He was all for it when it started.

Trump also opposed the unfair trade with China so beloved by big corporations.

Except one of those big corporations doing business in China was his own.

Even the fucking MAGA hates were made China.

Some on the left have also favored Trump-like immigration restrictions.

Not really.. None of them supported his vile racism on the subject.

You seem to be some kind of anti-Christian nut. If you ever stop foaming at the mouth please acknowledge that you anti-Christians can be as awful as anyone.

Hey, the 1990's called, they want their Satanic Panic Hysteria back.

A Satanist is a failed Christian.

Of course, I read the bible and have a hard time figuring out which one was the bad guy, because God kills millions, including babies, but Satan only kills 10 people in the whole bible on a bet with God. (Job's children.)

 

[Thunderbird]

I guess you have to lie so much because the ideology you are propping up is so asinine.

Obama received almost 3X as much from the health industry as McCain. Obama happily served the insurance industry.

Nobody was keen to donate to McCain... they knew the guy was a sure-fire loser. You have to kind of feel bad for the guy, Bush left him with a wrecked economy and a war based on a lie, but that's what Republicans do. They fuck things up.

The insurance industry hated Obama. They hate the fact that they can't cheat their clients by refusing to cover "Pre-existing conditions" anymore. They hate that they couldn't sell cut-rate insurance that didn't actually cover anything.

I’m glad you are starting to understand how corrupt Democrat politicians are, including Joe Lieberman.

No, LieberJew wasn't a Democrat. The Democrats threw him out for cheerleading Bush's war and the Repukes adopted him.

Babies who aren’t wanted are medical waste?! What a depraved statement!

You should realize many couples are waiting to adopt.

Awesome. They can adopt the poor children of color who are languishing in foster care.

What they can't do if force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want.

Did you know David Koch loved abortion and unfair trade with China? He also hated Trump.

Here's an analogy you need to understand.

David Koch is Dr. Frankenstein.
Trump is the Monster that got out of the Castle and started rampaging the countryside.

Did Gerald Ford support gay marriage as Trump does?

Trump doesn't support gay marriage, or he wouldn't have put Amy "Serena Joy" Barrett on SCOTUS.

Trump is actually more liberal than establishment Republicans. He attacked George Bush II’s wars.

Another RW lie.

Fact check: Trump falsely claims, again, to have opposed the invasion of Iraq | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump has revived one of his most significant false claims from the 2016 presidential election: his inaccurate insistence that he opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

www.cnn.com

He was all for it when it started.

Trump also opposed the unfair trade with China so beloved by big corporations.

Except one of those big corporations doing business in China was his own.

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Even the fucking MAGA hates were made China.

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Some on the left have also favored Trump-like immigration restrictions.

Not really.. None of them supported his vile racism on the subject.

You seem to be some kind of anti-Christian nut. If you ever stop foaming at the mouth please acknowledge that you anti-Christians can be as awful as anyone.

Hey, the 1990's called, they want their Satanic Panic Hysteria back.

A Satanist is a failed Christian.

Of course, I read the bible and have a hard time figuring out which one was the bad guy, because God kills millions, including babies, but Satan only kills 10 people in the whole bible on a bet with God. (Job's children.)

You can’t stop lying can you. LOL

Lieberman was the Democrat VP candidate. He endorsed fellow war-monger McCain, but since then has endorsed Hillary and Biden. Sorry he is one of yours.

Did Gerald Ford accept gay marriage?

Donald Trump âFineâ With Same-Sex Marriage

It’s “settled law,” he told ‘60 Minutes.’

www.thedailybeast.com

I know you voted for George Bush II twice. You said: “I voted straight Republican in every election from 1980 to 2008.” Trump, however, is not a big Bush fan.

Trump on Iraq:



You sound like a big Satan fan.

Like these guys: The Satanic And Cannibalistic Rituals Of The Chicago Ripper Crew

Friends of yours?

Or maybe you prefer: China's crackdown on Christians: Terrifying ’re-education’ camps REVEALED

 

[JoeB131]

You can’t stop lying can you. LOL

Lieberman was the Democrat VP candidate. He endorsed fellow war-monger McCain, but since then has endorsed Hillary and Biden. Sorry he is one of yours.

Democratic voters rejected him in 2006. He hasn't won office as a Democrat since then.

You guys own him. Actually, the Zionists own him, but that's another discussion.

Did Gerald Ford accept gay marriage?

Wasn't even an issue in 1976. It's like saying "Did Abe Lincoln accept gay marriage?"

Trump has tried to roll back LGBTQ rights.

Trump has gutted LGBTQ+ rights. Could a Biden presidency undo the damage?

Biden has promised action on LGBTQ+ issues starting on day one. But undoing four years of anti-LGBTQ+ policy may take decades.

www.usatoday.com

Trump on Iraq:

yes, Trump was totally against Iraq AFTER it failed and everyone thought it was a bad idea. Where was he in 2002 before we stumbled into it.

I mean, it's fucking hilarious to watch you right wingers suddenly turn into a fucking hippy drum circle, forgetting you are the ones who got us into the Forever War to start with.

You sound like a big Satan fan.

Naw, man, I'm a fan of Zeus! Zeus is awesome.

Actually, Amaterasu is kind of hot, too.

Of course, they are all as imaginary as Jesus and Satan, but never mind.

Or maybe you prefer: China's crackdown on Christians: Terrifying ’re-education’ camps REVEALED

Again, it would be nice if we stopped this superstitious nonsense in childhood... but never mind.

Me, I'm a product of 12years of Catholic Education and am glad I didn't get molested by a priest. The awful shit they did do makes me want to burn down every church in the country, though.