The portion of the repub party that is pro-Putin is alarming

[rightwinger]

None of us on the right do, or ever have, supported Putin. That's just a lie from your side, from the left wrong, and no one is buying it who isn't a complete ignoramus.

When the last Republican President supported Putin invading Ukraine…..you don’t have to look that hard

 

[rightwinger]

No thanks...not a caviar connoisseur.

Now the Chesapeake Bay and the Blue Crab trade may be a different proposition...

Great Oysters too

 

[BS Filter]

Actually republicans have been pro Putin ever since Trump, so lets start
scrolling those polls.

More Republicans Than Democrats Have Confidence in Russia's Putin

American attitudes toward Putin have steadily declined over the last decade or so, according to the Pew Research Center.

www.newsweek.com

2/8/20

More Republicans Than Democrats Have Confidence in Russia's Putin, Survey Shows

Pew reported on Friday that 31 percent of Republicans have confidence in Putin to do "the right thing" in global affairs, compared with just 10 percent of Democrats.

It started out three times as many republicans as traitors to freedom and democracy.

Your poll is from February 2020. Idiot.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

When the last Republican President supported Putin invading Ukraine…..you don’t have to look that hard

No President of the US supported that.

 

[mudwhistle]

This fails as a red herring fallacy.

The thread isn’t about Obama.

The thread is about the authoritarian right’s support for illiberal autocrats and dictators such as Putin who have contempt for democracy and the will of the people.

Every thread is about Obama. He never left Washington. He's pulling the strings in the WH as we speak.

 

[Mac-7]

When did the climate change gas tax begin?

When greenies convinced democrat presidents that fossil fuel is bad

and that goes back at least as far as obama

 

[rightwinger]

No President of the US supported that.

When Putin started the invasion, rather than condemn the military incursion into a peaceful neighbor like the rest of the world, Trump praised how smart Putin was for doing it and called him a genius

 

[Meathead]

When Putin started the invasion, rather than condemn the military incursion into a peaceful neighbor like the rest of the world, Trump praised how smart Putin was for doing it and called him a genius

Well, compared to Brandon he is.

 

[boedicca]

Tommy Twatters confuses being Anti-War with being Pro-Putin.

It's a tad too cavalier to promote war between two nuclear powers.

 

[gipper]

folks like Obama, Xiden and Clinton


that great reset didn’t work out so well..and promises of being more flexible

W too. That asshole said something like… I looked into his eyes and saw his soul. WTF!

 

[gipper]

No, paid liars wrote blogs full of lies targeted at you, to get you to vote against your own interests.

Who could voters ever vote for who would promote their interests? Certainly no one in the duopoly.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Great Oysters too

Oysters trigger Putin.

Putin's chilling warning to oligarchs in bizarre rant about oysters and gender

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the West was hoping that a "fifth column" of traitors to divide society, in a clear attempt to unite his country as the invasion of Ukraine continues

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

W too. That asshole said something like… I looked into his eyes and saw his soul. WTF!

Who could voters ever vote for who would promote their interests? Certainly no one in the duopoly.

Well, if you are a middle class mother, you might be compelled to vote for a rep that will vote for federally subsidized day care, instead of for a rep that says welfare moms should take care of everyone else's kids for free.

 

[Redfish]

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I dunno if the above is gonna play out as the good poster 'Redfish' confidentally predicts.

However, I do believe the calculus has changed.
It seems the world's assumption....and perhaps Vlad Putin's assumption .....was that Ukraine would roll over. A quick Blitzkreig 'peacekeeping mission' in Vlad's and DTrump's words.

But it appears the 'blitz' in blitzkreig was lower wattage than anyone expected.....and too, the object struck seemed more durable and resilient than anticipated.

Hence, we have reports of Russia experiencing 14,000 KIA, and 21,000+ injured and wounded.

THAT....may not have been in the 'executive summary' prepared for Vlad.
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In another nearby thread ('Weapons of War') there is a digest of a New York Times opinion piece. The digest is from the online news site---The Hill.

Here are some take-aways from it:

• Putin made two major miscalculations when it comes to the invasion of Ukraine.......not anticipating a response from the West and Ukrainian resistance.
• According to Hrytsak...... the distinction between Ukrainians and Russians "lies not in language, religion or culture — here they are relatively close — but in political traditions."
  
  
• "Simply put, a victorious democratic revolution is almost impossible in Russia ........... whereas a viable authoritarian government is almost impossible in Ukraine," he wrote.

So, it seems that this historian, Hrytsak, cannot row in the same boat that poster Redfish paddles. Russians and Ukrainians may appear the same....but different.

Different enough, it seems.

when ukraine attacks Moscow, I'll agree that they might win this. When will that happen?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

when ukraine attacks Moscow, I'll agree that they might win this. When will that happen?

That's because your limited intellect only sees "winning" as destruction and occupation.

 

[Redfish]

That's because your limited intellect only sees "winning" as destruction and occupation.

Ok lets restate it, when Russia calls its army home and declares that Ukraine is an independent nation, Ukraine will have won, Schedule for that????

 

[gipper]

Well, if you are a middle class mother, you might be compelled to vote for a rep that will vote for federally subsidized day care, instead of for a rep that says welfare moms should take care of everyone else's kids for free.

The Ds and Rs only look after the interests of their donors.

Your buddy Old Dumb Joe campaigned on $15 MW, $2000 check for all, forgive student loan debt, offer public option, expand SS, etc…. He’s done almost none of his campaign promises, yet his party controls congress.

You are under the childish belief Ds who promise improvements in social programs will actually do it. They never do. So how can you still believe them?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ok lets restate it, when Russia calls its army home and declares that Ukraine is an independent nation, Ukraine will have won, Schedule for that????

Still stuck in the same rut.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Ds and Rs only look after the interests of their donors.

Your buddy Old Dumb Joe campaigned on $15 MW, $2000 check for all, forgive student loan debt, offer public option, expand SS, etc…. He’s done almost none of his campaign promises, yet his party controls congress.

You are under the childish belief Ds who promise improvements in social programs will actually do it. They never do. So how can you still believe them?

Cute whining.

But I saw one party pushing for federal day care, and one party pushing against. It would be law right now, if not for one Senator in the wrong party.

So you can enjoy your lazy place in the "I say everything sucks, then I can never be wrong and don't have to know things" camp.

I will continue ue to acknowledge the differences.

Now we understand each other.

 

[Redfish]

Still stuck in the same rut.

trying to give you some options for a Ukraine victory, how would a Ukraine win look to you?