The portion of the repub party that is pro-Putin is alarming

[2aguy]

Nobody on the right praised Putin. With the cooperation of the media, democrats were able to accuse anybody who disagreed with the do-nothing president, as a traitor. You almost gotta laugh that the left wing kids who spit on members of the Military during Vietnam and chanted "better red than dead" are now in power and pushing for a shooting war with Russia which they will blame on a republican when it goes bad.

Hey....the midterms are coming up and their policies have wrecked the economy...they need something to distract people....

 

[struth]

Who has praised Putin?

folks like Obama, Xiden and Clinton


that great reset didn’t work out so well..and promises of being more flexible

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The globalists went too far, often for the sake of GLOBAL warming and we the people took notice

No, paid liars wrote blogs full of lies targeted at you, to get you to vote against your own interests.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Those on the right who loudly praised Putin have now fallen strangely silent | Nick Cohen

Most collaborators in the west are at least coming up with excuses after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. That’s not the case in Britain

www.theguardian.com

A thoughtful piece on the predicament facing the right in the face of Putins [sic] illegal war.
Ive [sic] added a ? to the heading as not all have fallen silent.
But as the atrocities mount up it will becme [sic] harder and harder to defend this behaviour. Putin has been a poster boy for the right for years but even his mini mes in Hungary and Poland have drawn the line.

And so the challenge for the right is this.
Is it possible to be a hard right populist and be a decent person ? The evideence [sic] is pretty damning.

How many threads do you need to start, to express the same delusion?

I know immediately of at least one other thread you started, based on exactly the same ignorant bullshit.

None of us on the right do, or ever have, supported Putin. That's just a lie from your side, from the left wrong, and no one is buying it who isn't a complete ignoramus.

 

[Meathead]

Those on the right who loudly praised Putin have now fallen strangely silent | Nick Cohen

Most collaborators in the west are at least coming up with excuses after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. That’s not the case in Britain

www.theguardian.com

A thoughtful piece on the predicament facing the right in the face of Putins illegal war.
Ive added a ? to the heading as not all have fallen silent.
But as the atrocities mount up it will becme harder and harder to defend this behaviour. Putin has been a poster boy for the right for years but even his mini mes in Hungary and Poland have drawn the line.

And so the challenge for the right is this.
Is it possible to be a hard right populist and be a decent person ? The evideence is pretty damning.

Observing that Putin feeds on weak US presidents is not praising him. After all, Bama & Brandon folded like cheap suits before him.

 

[mudwhistle]

Those on the right who loudly praised Putin have now fallen strangely silent | Nick Cohen

Most collaborators in the west are at least coming up with excuses after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. That’s not the case in Britain

www.theguardian.com

A thoughtful piece on the predicament facing the right in the face of Putins illegal war.
Ive added a ? to the heading as not all have fallen silent.
But as the atrocities mount up it will becme harder and harder to defend this behaviour. Putin has been a poster boy for the right for years but even his mini mes in Hungary and Poland have drawn the line.

And so the challenge for the right is this.
Is it possible to be a hard right populist and be a decent person ? The evideence is pretty damning.

I think you're hear voices in your head.
The only proof that Americans support Putin is fake news on CNN and MSNBC.
It's mostly just the same ole Russian Collusion Bovine Scatology.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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I dunno if the above is gonna play out as the good poster 'Redfish' confidentally predicts.

However, I do believe the calculus has changed.
It seems the world's assumption....and perhaps Vlad Putin's assumption .....was that Ukraine would roll over. A quick Blitzkreig 'peacekeeping mission' in Vlad's and DTrump's words.

But it appears the 'blitz' in blitzkreig was lower wattage than anyone expected.....and too, the object struck seemed more durable and resilient than anticipated.

Hence, we have reports of Russia experiencing 14,000 KIA, and 21,000+ injured and wounded.

THAT....may not have been in the 'executive summary' prepared for Vlad.
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In another nearby thread ('Weapons of War') there is a digest of a New York Times opinion piece. The digest is from the online news site---The Hill.

Here are some take-aways from it:

• Putin made two major miscalculations when it comes to the invasion of Ukraine.......not anticipating a response from the West and Ukrainian resistance.
• According to Hrytsak...... the distinction between Ukrainians and Russians "lies not in language, religion or culture — here they are relatively close — but in political traditions."
  
  
• "Simply put, a victorious democratic revolution is almost impossible in Russia ........... whereas a viable authoritarian government is almost impossible in Ukraine," he wrote.

So, it seems that this historian, Hrytsak, cannot row in the same boat that poster Redfish paddles. Russians and Ukrainians may appear the same....but different.

Different enough, it seems.

Russia lost 15,000 in the entire, 10-year Afghanistan campaign.

They are on track to surpass that in one month on Ukraine. An eye-popping Stat.

A good (longish) read about how Russian mothers helped end the Afghanistan war:

Dedovshchina and the Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers under Gorbachev

Hundreds, thousands of lead coffins are soldered annually in every large army—a phenomenon so normal that in America at least, the press is silent about it, and the chatterbox-orators, who do nothi...

journals.openedition.org

They came together and applied relentless pressure against the Soviet government. They did this without internet.

They demanded to know why their babies were dying, and they helped turn the Russian public squarely against the war.

Maybe they can do so again...?

 

[irosie91]

Genius is not praise from Fat Donnie?

"making a deal" is not exactly "genius" in a
POSTIVE SENSE-----the GODFATHER knew how
to make a deal

 

[Orangecat]

I know this sounds foreign to the binary simpletons on the left, but it is possible to admire some traits of an individual while simultaneously disapproving of their actions. Virtue signaling ninnies will have none of that logic, though.
IOW, show a person who praised Putin specifically for the invasion so this thread isn't just another blaring bugle for useful idiots..

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You mean like obama, hilary, biden....and the other democrats who loved putin, and simply used him to attack Trump?

This fails as a red herring fallacy.

The thread isn’t about Obama.

The thread is about the authoritarian right’s support for illiberal autocrats and dictators such as Putin who have contempt for democracy and the will of the people.

 

[Mac-7]

No, paid liars wrote blogs full of lies targeted at you, to get you to vote against your own interests.

Paying more for gasoline is not in my best interests

abandoning production in America and shipping jobs to china is not in my best interests

even if save a couple of dollars when I check out at the store

flooding America with shoeless and unvetted migrants is not in my best interests

no one has to pay anyone to convince of what I can see with my own eyes

 

[Missourian]

Praising Putin means trying to keep us out if WWIII.

The exact course we advocated is the course that has been taken.

We sanctioned and otherwise stayed out it. We let Europe take the lead on a European problem.


What more us there to do?

 

[irosie91]

This fails as a red herring fallacy.

The thread isn’t about Obama.

The thread is about the authoritarian right’s support for illiberal autocrats and dictators such as Putin who have contempt for democracy and the will of the people.

you have some evidence that republicans, routinely,
support (sic) 'illiberal' autocrats ?

 

[irosie91]

Praising Putin means trying to keep us out if WWIII.

The exact course we advocated is the course that has been taken.

We sanctioned and otherwise stayed out it. We let Europe take the lead on a European problem.


What more us there to do?

grab the black sea and take the caviar trade

 

[postman]

I know this sounds foreign to the binary simpletons on the left, but it is possible to admire some traits of an individual while simultaneously disapproving of their actions.

Like Hitler built the autobahns.
Mussolini made the trains run on time.

 

[blackhawk]

You guys really need to come with some new material.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Paying more for gasoline is not in my best interests

When did the climate change gas tax begin?

You said they went too far. Now, as you always do, you backpedal and tapdance and leave it to others t point out your lies of omission, your half truths, and your shell games.

I just wanted a demonstration. No needto respond, I was 3 steps ahead of you and knew the bullshit that was coming.

 

[Orangecat]

Like Hitler built the autobahns.
Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Those are positive things, regardless of the bad things each man did.

 

[Missourian]

grab the black sea and take the caviar trade

No thanks...not a caviar connoisseur.

Now the Chesapeake Bay and the Blue Crab trade may be a different proposition...

 

[irosie91]

No thanks...not a caviar connoisseur.

Now the Chesapeake Bay and the Blue Crab trade may be a different proposition...

me neither-----I was thinking ---"SCREW POOTIE"