The portion of the repub party that is pro-Putin is alarming

[Big Bend Texas]

There are 3 points in this "speech" where she points out that Ukraine "cannot win".

I think that crosses a line.Firstly I doubt her qualifications to make comment on that. It sounds very Lord Haw Haw to me.
There is a legitimate position to saying that other countries should not get involved in Russias illegal war. But this just seems to be Russian propaganda.

Putin is an enemy to the US and all freedom loving democratic countries. What does this wretched woman gain by supporting him ?
That is a question that needs an answer.

Ukraine has already won be destroying much of a force rated 10 times more capable as late as 2021.

Russia was ranked number 2 globally behind the US, Ukraine just #22 with literally 1/10th the men and equipment of the Russian Army and nearly all of it outdated Soviet Era leftovers.

They have put on a magnificent fight and will continue. They have broken the will and spirit of the Russian Army already so much that Putin is now having to send in his supposed crack Units From Moscow, the units that exist to keep him in power.

They have also broken him economically, he did not have the money to continue this fight for more than four to six weeks so he's going to have to wreck the Russian budget to continue and economic sanctions are piling up by the day and will only get worse.

He'll be lucky to be able to trade commodities with China when this is over and Russia will dive into a deep, deep recession if not recession.

It will then take him probably at least 5-10 years to rebuild his shattered army.

He will not let the incompetence of his generals go unpunished either so get ready for a Stalinistic Purge of the command staff before he's done as well.

Marjorie means well but she's a fool on this subject.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Trump is the GOP’s creation – the result of decades of rightwing ignorance, fear, bigotry, racism, hate, nativism, and contempt for the Constitution, its case law, the rule of law, and our democratic institutions.

Funny your post is bleeding lies, fear, bigotry, hate, and ignorance.

The last on the constitution is just laughable.

 

[Redfish]

Without specifics, your post doesn't really exist. LOL!

obozo said it. look it up for yourself.

 

[Redfish]

Ukraine has already won be destroying much of a force rated 10 times more capable as late as 2021.

Russia was ranked number 2 globally behind the US, Ukraine just #22 with literally 1/10th the men and equipment of the Russian Army and nearly all of it outdated Soviet Era leftovers.

They have put on a magnificent fight and will continue. They have broken the will and spirit of the Russian Army already so much that Putin is now having to send in his supposed crack Units From Moscow, the units that exist to keep him in power.

They have also broken him economically, he did not have the money to continue this fight for more than four to six weeks so he's going to have to wreck the Russian budget to continue and economic sanctions are piling up by the day and will only get worse.

He'll be lucky to be able to trade commodities with China when this is over and Russia will dive into a deep, deep recession if not recession.

It will then take him probably at least 5-10 years to rebuild his shattered army.

He will not let the incompetence of his generals go unpunished either so get ready for a Stalinistic Purge of the command staff before he's done as well.

Marjorie means well but she's a fool on this subject.

what she said is true. Ukraine cannot win this in the long run and will return to being part of Russia where they were for decades. Ukraine is a very corrupt country, so is Russia. They will go together quite well.

 

[Redfish]

Funny your post is bleeding lies, fear, bigotry, hate, and ignorance.

The last on the constitution is just laughable.

correct, the left remains scared shitless of Trump because he was exposing them, the corrupt media, and the do-nothing DC establishment.

 

[Redfish]

No need. 6000 US vets have already volunteered.

A bunch of countries have issued edicts about how their citizens are forbidden to fight in Ukraine. The US isn't one of them. The Biden admin seems to be quietly encouraging it, as a way to sneak American expertise into the fight while maintaining deniability.

And no, I can't fight in Ukraine. Few can. The Ukrainians won't take just anyone. You have to be young, fit, and possess applicable military or medical experience. Very few can meet those standards. You also have to have the right mindset. They won't take psychos who just want to kill. Those, the Russians hire.

those people are free to volunteer to die. But no american forces should be sent, ever.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ukraine has already won be destroying much of a force rated 10 times more capable as late as 2021.

Russia was ranked number 2 globally behind the US, Ukraine just #22 with literally 1/10th the men and equipment of the Russian Army and nearly all of it outdated Soviet Era leftovers.

They have put on a magnificent fight and will continue. They have broken the will and spirit of the Russian Army already so much that Putin is now having to send in his supposed crack Units From Moscow, the units that exist to keep him in power.

They have also broken him economically, he did not have the money to continue this fight for more than four to six weeks so he's going to have to wreck the Russian budget to continue and economic sanctions are piling up by the day and will only get worse.

He'll be lucky to be able to trade commodities with China when this is over and Russia will dive into a deep, deep recession if not recession.

It will then take him probably at least 5-10 years to rebuild his shattered army.

He will not let the incompetence of his generals go unpunished either so get ready for a Stalinistic Purge of the command staff before he's done as well.

Marjorie means well but she's a fool on this subject.

I am not detecting any masterplan. If he "wins" what has he won ? Can Russia afford to rebuild Ukraine or will it be left to rot ?
The longer it goes on the more likely he is to invent some face saving ruse and head for home.

 

[Redfish]

I am not detecting any masterplan. If he "wins" what has he won ? Can Russia afford to rebuild Ukraine or will it be left to rot ?
The longer it goes on the more likely he is to invent some face saving ruse and head for home.

Putin will eventually prevail and Ukraine will revert to being part of Russia where it was for decades. Ukrainians are mostly Russians. Its none of our fricken business to interfere and risk american lives.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do the Ukrainian Supporters know that this is who is behind Zelensky?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Putin will eventually prevail and Ukraine will revert to being part of Russia where it was for decades. Ukrainians are mostly Russians. Its none of our fricken business to interfere and risk american lives.

You make a straw man. Nobody has suggested comitting troops. Why do you pesist with this misinformation ?

 

[Chillicothe]

"Putin will eventually prevail and Ukraine will revert to being part of Russia where it was for decades. Ukrainians are mostly Russians."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I dunno if the above is gonna play out as the good poster 'Redfish' confidentally predicts.

However, I do believe the calculus has changed.
It seems the world's assumption....and perhaps Vlad Putin's assumption .....was that Ukraine would roll over. A quick Blitzkreig 'peacekeeping mission' in Vlad's and DTrump's words.

But it appears the 'blitz' in blitzkreig was lower wattage than anyone expected.....and too, the object struck seemed more durable and resilient than anticipated.

Hence, we have reports of Russia experiencing 14,000 KIA, and 21,000+ injured and wounded.

THAT....may not have been in the 'executive summary' prepared for Vlad.
-----------------------------------------------------

In another nearby thread ('Weapons of War') there is a digest of a New York Times opinion piece. The digest is from the online news site---The Hill.

Here are some take-aways from it:

• Putin made two major miscalculations when it comes to the invasion of Ukraine.......not anticipating a response from the West and Ukrainian resistance.
  
• According to Hrytsak...... the distinction between Ukrainians and Russians "lies not in language, religion or culture — here they are relatively close — but in political traditions."
  
  
• "Simply put, a victorious democratic revolution is almost impossible in Russia ........... whereas a viable authoritarian government is almost impossible in Ukraine," he wrote.

So, it seems that this historian, Hrytsak, cannot row in the same boat that poster Redfish paddles. Russians and Ukrainians may appear the same....but different.

Different enough, it seems.

 

[Nostra]

True.

What was on the rightwing fringe some 30 years ago is now mainstream Republican dogma.

Irony From a Dimsocialist.

 

[Nostra]

You really are a stupid prick. The people of |Ukraine have proven that they cant be beaten by your mates. It is never going to happen. And alll the while putins grasp on power slips away.
You set a huge store by bricks and mortar. Thats your dumbarse gop values at work.

The GOP invaded UKraine?
You are one stupid fuck .

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Those on the right who loudly praised Putin have now fallen strangely silent | Nick Cohen

Most collaborators in the west are at least coming up with excuses after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. That’s not the case in Britain

www.theguardian.com

A thoughtful piece on the predicament facing the right in the face of Putins illegal war.
Ive added a ? to the heading as not all have fallen silent.
But as the atrocities mount up it will becme harder and harder to defend this behaviour. Putin has been a poster boy for the right for years but even his mini mes in Hungary and Poland have drawn the line.

And so the challenge for the right is this.
Is it possible to be a hard right populist and be a decent person ? The evideence is pretty damning.

 

[gipper]

Who has praised Putin?

 

[Moonglow]

Tsar Pootin is busy crapping his pants trying to decide how to get out of this mess.

 

[Moonglow]

Who has praised Putin?

Tom Zirpoli: With his praise of Putin, Trump has become a ...​

https://www.baltimoresun.com › carroll › opinion › cc-op...



Mar 2, 2022 — Russian President Vladimir Putin had to be smiling as his old friend, former President Donald Trump, rushed to praise him during a radio

 

[Nostra]

You didn't hear about it or you ignore it because your boy has a big mouth?

So ya got nothing.

Typical.

 

[Mac1958]

Some of them must have whiplash after reversing course as obviously as they did.

 

[Moonglow]

Some of them must have whiplash after reversing course as obviously as they did.

Not Koch industries they are planning on staying in Russia just like they did during the USSR under Stalin.