The portion of the repub party that is pro-Putin is alarming

[IamZ]

Show you the same damage from MAXAR real time satellite. You can go buy the originals on-line you brain-damaged Russian troll.

Show us that Digital overlay in Max AR

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You're an annoying sort of low info troll. Explain to me HOW this damage in Mariupol "looks like winning"

Hah, your loaded question is dumb.

Ukraine already "won" in that it has denied Putin his quick victory and has united the world in isolating him and the Russian economy and every day this drags out means more sanctions and more isolation for Putin and for Russia.

 

[flacaltenn]

Hah, your loaded question is dumb.

Ukraine already "won" in that it has denied Putin his quick victory and has united the world in isolating him and the Russian economy and every day this drags out means more sanctions and more isolation for Putin and for Russia.

Show me pictures of where they're gonna live in Mariupol. I posted what Putin has "accomplished". Holding him up a bit doesn't really hurt him because he's got MONTHS to keep leveling the place. THERE MIGHT BE FIGHTING for 4 months, maybe a year -- but Putin will leave no recognizable Ukraine to live in if HE cant have it.

Go look at what he did for his bud ASSAD in Syria. LEVELED Aleppo for the dictator WITH THE PEOPLE LARGELY STILL IN IT. Or Chechnya where its BARELY got any urban living anymore -- and the fighting there in the RUBBLE lasted years.

Who's gonna MAKE him leave?

We can FUND the Ukrainians. We evidently can even DIRECT THEIR troops by giving them intel, but Putin is NOT gonna go house to house to clear Kyiv which is by land bigger then NYCity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Show me pictures of where they're gonna live in Mariupol

Who, the conquering Russians?

Their virtually nonexistent sympathizers in Ukraine?

Excellent point, thanks for the assist.

Apparently, you have deluded yourself into thinking Putin's goal was the destruction of Ukraine's cities and infrastructure and the slaughter of its civilians.

So you think he is therefore winning.

Putin has failed and will fail to meet his actual goals. The idea of Ukraine becoming part of Russia in anything other than a map made by Putin is a ship that sailed years ago.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You're an annoying sort of low info troll. Explain to me HOW this damage in Mariupol "looks like winning". This is ONE CITY, Mariupol, with Russians bombing a theater shelter MARKED "with Children". It's one of these pictures. The city is now inhabitable you moron.. Majority of CIVILIAN housing destroyed you asshole. Putin is doing this to EMPTY the city so that his incompetent conscripts dont bungle it going door to door fighting.

You really are a stupid prick. The people of |Ukraine have proven that they cant be beaten by your mates. It is never going to happen. And alll the while putins grasp on power slips away.
You set a huge store by bricks and mortar. Thats your dumbarse gop values at work.

 

[Chillicothe]

To my query on how another poster is defining 'energy independence'.........the good poster 'flacaltenn' responds with this:

"Go look it up."

Well, that's not the answer that we need in order to have a productive discussion.
Why?
Because it is complicated. And most posters will grasp that different definitions can direct what it is we learn from each other.

Let me give you one example. It is a piece from a recent Forbes article (see link).
In it, the author offers us this:

"What Is Energy Independence?
"The first thing I ask when someone poses this question is “How are you defining energy independence?” In reality, most people are using it incorrectly. A correct accounting would be to add up all of our energy production (oil, natural gas, coal, renewables) and then subtract our net energy consumption.

Why do I say “net”? Because if we import a million barrels per day of oil, and export that as roughly a million barrels per day of finished products, it doesn’t actually impact our energy independence — even though it increases our gross overall consumption."

Is The U.S. Energy Independent?​

Is The U.S. Energy Independent?

Did we lose our energy independence under President Biden? It's complicated.

www.forbes.com

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As you will read in Rapier's Forbes article:
".....some people are looking for simple answers. Since Joe Biden is now president, and they recognize his hostility to the oil and gas industry, they reason that it’s a no-brainer that this is primarily Biden’s fault...... Once again, the truth requires a bit more discussion.

Most people view energy independence through the lens of our oil and gas production and consumption. These two sources represent 68% of U.S. energy consumption. When they see our net exports are positive, it is viewed as “energy independence.” When they turn negative, we are once again partially dependent. (In reality, we are always partially dependent, because even when our exports exceed our imports, we are still importing oil from other countries).

It is true that in 2019 our net imports of crude oil and finished products flipped from positive to negative. By that metric, we became energy independent (at last as far as our oil consumption goes). It is also true that Donald Trump was president when this happened for the first time in October 2019.

But note that this was the culmination of a trend that started in 2006 when U.S. net imports topped 13 million BPD. Most of that march to energy independence happened under President Obama. All President Trump (and President Obama before him) had to do was avoid driving the bus into the ditch, and they would continue to benefit from the hydraulic fracking boom that enabled all of this.
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As in so many of the discussions on this venue, there is a an strident desire for simplicity. Oversimplify.....to achieve simple answers. But the questions and the issues......ain't. Simple.
Trust me. It is complicated.

So be at peace, good poster 'flacaltenn'. With a little due diligence you can learn more, and avoid overheated emotionalism. Thus contribute in a more productive and positive manner.

Anger such as below does not serve to advance responsible adult discussion:

"Your INEPT, re-tred team of mental midgets BLEW ALL THAT UP......... This bunch of marxist inspired idiots are PURPOSELY screwing us up."

IMHO

 

[flacaltenn]

Who, the conquering Russians?

Their virtually nonexistent sympathizers in Ukraine?

Excellent point, thanks for the assist.

Apparently, you have deluded yourself into thinking Putin's goal was the destruction of Ukraines cities and infrastructure and the slaughter of its civilians.

Boy are you slow or rusty or cant read more than flaming one-liners. NO!!! The UKRAINIANS that you said were WINNING. Does the destruction of civilian homes/apt/infrastructure look like WINNING? There's NOTHING to go back to in Mariupol right now. Maybe several other smaller cities. HOW -- is that winning?

Putin DOES NOT CARE about people. He cares only that Katherine the Great ACQUIRED Ukraine and MADE it part of Russia. And he'll LEVEL the cities rather than go house to house. Just like he's ALWAYS DONE -- in Syria, in Chechnya and elsewhere.

NOBODY IS WINNING -- dumbass. And the chances of the Ukrainians FORCING almost the entire Russian army OUT is "slim and none". Just like MTGreene said. So -- PRAY for a compromise, HOPE that a miracle happens. But DO NOT get us into WW3 with juvenile political horseshit about the "party of Putin" vs the "party of Zelensky and all that is good".

This country has A LOT OF WAR damage itself from YOUR senile, incompetent mini-brain and his minions of morons that will need to get fixed FIRST....

 

[22lcidw]

You really are a stupid prick. The people of |Ukraine have proven that they cant be beaten by your mates. It is never going to happen. And alll the while putins grasp on power slips away.
You set a huge store by bricks and mortar. Thats your dumbarse gop values at work.

In your world protesting truckers are racists, bigots and terrorists. What is the point of defending the West when it is itself totalitarian if you get in its way. Many of the elected and unelected people in power are condemned.

 

[Chillicothe]

Many of the elected and unelected people in power are condemned.

??????
"Condemned"?
For what?
By whom?
To what effect?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The UKRAINIANS that you said were WINNING.

That's right. They are.

The only way the are "losing" is destruction of cities and slaughter of civilians.

But you are deluded and think this means putin is winning. Though he is obviously losing, when it comes to his true goals.

If Putin is losing , when it some to his main goals, who is winning, then?

Santa Claus? Pee Wee Herman?

Ukraine.

 

[flacaltenn]

You really are a stupid prick. The people of |Ukraine have proven that they cant be beaten by your mates. It is never going to happen. And alll the while putins grasp on power slips away.
You set a huge store by bricks and mortar. Thats your dumbarse gop values at work.

Cut the political diarrhea. So they are "winning" a "moral victory" or what? YES -- they will "saints for freedom and nationalism" !!! And you in PARTICULAR HATE "nationalists" and "freedom fighters". Why the sudden change of heart? Aren't most of your FAKE enemies -- nationalists and freedom fighters?

So NOW -- ALL OF US -- in all political persuasions KNOW what pure evil looks like. And how it FEELS to watch it destroy a community, a country or maybe even a continent or two in the process.

You ever gonna STOP being a partisan whore and take a bigger look at good/evil?


Putin can outlast them IF HE WANTS to. And if there's no compromise, he wont leave them CITIES TO GO BACK TO.. YOU can go over there and build stuff for them right? Because "they're gonna win"...

 

[lantern2814]

Well, at least the Trumptards are finally admitting they're not Americans any more.

No, it’s easily triggered, lying, piss drinking retards like you who are Un-American. You hated Trump, thus for 4 years YOU were a Putin dick sucker. By YOUR own standards retard. When are you leaving to fight the big bad Russians coward? And before you spout your verbal diarrhea, you better provide a quote of me “supporting Putin”. Cut you off at the pass. You’re too predictable.

 

[flacaltenn]

That's right. They are.

The only way the are "losing" is destruction of cities and slaughter of civilians.

But you are deluded and think this means putin is winning. Though he is obviously losing, when it comes to his true goals.

If Putin is losing , when it some to his main goals, who is winning, then?

Santa Claus? Pee Wee Herman?

Ukraine.

You can STOP with partisan shit now. I'd flame you but just discovered you're BLIND AND CAN'T READ. Or -- you've become PROGRAMMED in your responses without PROCESSING what people actually say.

So dont put words in my mouth. I TOLD you in the post before --

NOBODY IS WINNING

MAYBE WITH BIGGER BOLDER FONT -- YOU'LL SEE what I say - rather than upchuck a lot of stuff you IMAGINE I would say.

You know insurance might cover one of those computer peripherals that turns text into braille.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

NOBODY IS WINNING

Ha, a weak out. I will allow it, if it means you will stfu.

 

[sartre play]

So crazy, The answer every time,. Tell some fact about a bad move from your favorite party preference The reply is to look up some bad move by the other party. LETS NEVER admit our team makes bad choices.

 

[Chillicothe]

".....it’s easily triggered, lying, piss drinking retards like you who are Un-American. You hated Trump, thus for 4 years YOU were a Putin dick sucker."

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Ah, welcome good poster 'lantern'.
Your articulate, always thoughtful contributions to this forum....never fail to inform us on the nature of some of those folks who live in MAGA-World.

I am always curious if mature responsible Republicans, or Conservatives,.......welcome the style and nature of the slice of MAGA-World exemplified by such as good poster 'lantern'?

I dunno.
Just curious, as he, and a few like him.....seem so stridently noticeable in our American society.

 

[lantern2814]

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Ah, welcome good poster 'lantern'.
Your articulate, always thoughtful contributions to this forum....never fail to inform us on the nature of some of those folks who live in MAGA-World.

I am always curious if mature responsible Republicans, or Conservatives,.......welcome the style and nature of the slice of MAGA-World exemplified by such as good poster 'lantern'?

I dunno.
Just curious, as he, and a few like him.....seem so stridently noticeable in our American society.

And the retarded moron chimes in. Find that proof of hawk or I supporting lynchings yet idiot? Noting this asshole ignores then the language of it’s leftard companions. That’s called hypocrisy. Mature adults are laughing at you. Because you epically fail at everything.

 

[Chillicothe]

".....retarded moron. ...... Noting this asshole ignores then the language of it’s leftard companions."

Now, to be sure, good poster 'lantern' I don't pretend to speak for all of the contributors to this chatroom; however, speaking for myself....and I do suspect others..... your consistency can be admirable.

We know what we will get with your avatar.
That measure has been taken.

Good luck.

 

[mamooth]

Ukraine is not worth the death of one US kid in uniform. If you think it is, then send your kids.

No need. 6000 US vets have already volunteered.

A bunch of countries have issued edicts about how their citizens are forbidden to fight in Ukraine. The US isn't one of them. The Biden admin seems to be quietly encouraging it, as a way to sneak American expertise into the fight while maintaining deniability.

And no, I can't fight in Ukraine. Few can. The Ukrainians won't take just anyone. You have to be young, fit, and possess applicable military or medical experience. Very few can meet those standards. You also have to have the right mindset. They won't take psychos who just want to kill. Those, the Russians hire.

 

[JimH52]

As was Alaska.
So?

Stands to reason that Redfish would be okay with Pootin attacking Alaska.