The portion of the repub party that is pro-Putin is alarming

[Clipper]

what secret info was that?

what secret info was that?

You didn't hear about it or you ignore it because your boy has a big mouth?

 

[BackAgain]

Is this bullshit thread still going?

 

[Concerned American]

Putin is an enemy to the US and all freedom loving democratic countries.

So when is your country going to put their money where your big mouth is Tommy? You certainly seem to be free enough with spending my tax dollars. STFU.

 

[BWK]

what secret info was that?

You ask some of the dumbest ass questions; Trump revealed intelligence secrets to Russians in Oval Office: officials

 

[Concerned American]

She just wants Ukranians to stop fighting for their country against her employers army.

Jump in there, mouth. Your country is a NATO member.

 

[BWK]

Biden doesn't even know what day it is, much less what games are being played. His is a senile joke that will destroy our great country if left in power. in the words of Obama the kenyan messiah "if you want something fucked up, give it to Joe"

Without specifics, your post doesn't really exist. LOL!

 

[Chillicothe]

So when is your country going to put their money where your big mouth is Tommy?

As we can so readily see.....xenophobia is not extinct in today's America.

And too, as we see oft enough....when one of our chatroom female posters proffers a non-MAGA opinion......well, the misogyny gets mated with xenophobia.

It's kinda sorta like MAGA-Porn.

I suppose someone could say?

 

[Concerned American]

I suppose someone could say?

And you'd be wrong on both counts. It has nothing to do with either and everything to do with parties to a contract (treaty) maintaining their share of a cost. Your pretzel logic is twisting you up in directions that are illogical again.

 

[lantern2814]

Now, to be sure, good poster 'lantern' I don't pretend to speak for all of the contributors to this chatroom; however, speaking for myself....and I do suspect others..... your consistency can be admirable.

We know what we will get with your avatar.
That measure has been taken.

Good luck.

Don't need it to make an arrogant know nothing like you look stupid ...

 

[Flopper]

All I can say is how completely wrong you were.

RUSSIAN NAVY | Facts and Details

factsanddetails.com

Russia once had 90 submarines in the Pacific but as of the early 2000s had mothballed all but 20 of them. Some of the submarines tied up in their bases and unlikely to ever to return to sea yet contain payloads and missiles that can still be fired at American and European cities.

The boomers were still armed, but would be firing from their shipyards in Russia, giving us the same warning time as other Russian ballistic missiles.

Meanwhile we had our boomers off the russian coast, so we could hit Moscow before they could hit Washington DC.

Whether Moscow is hit first of Washington DC may well be immaterial. Once it starts, there will be no time for diplomacy. Missiles launch sites, air bases, and the military command and control centers will be hit followed by major cities in order of importance. As I remember we have 28 nuclear subs each carrying 11 missiles with nuclear warheads with a 5,000 mile range. After the subs delivery their payload, they will return to base to replenish their missiles and warheads if there is something to return to.

Americans will have about 30 to 40 mins to prepare for the end. Russians may have only 10 to 15 mins before US sub missiles reach their targets. After the immediate destruction of cities by nuclear blasts, the potential aftermath of a nuclear war could involve firestorms, a nuclear winter, widespread radiation sickness from fallout, and/or the temporary (if not permanent) loss of much modern technology due to electromagnetic pulses.

 

[flacaltenn]

To my query on how another poster is defining 'energy independence'.........the good poster 'flacaltenn' responds with this:


Well, that's not the answer that we need in order to have a productive discussion.
Why?
Because it is complicated. And most posters will grasp that different definitions can direct what it is we learn from each other.

Let me give you one example. It is a piece from a recent Forbes article (see link).
In it, the author offers us this:

"What Is Energy Independence?
"The first thing I ask when someone poses this question is “How are you defining energy independence?” In reality, most people are using it incorrectly. A correct accounting would be to add up all of our energy production (oil, natural gas, coal, renewables) and then subtract our net energy consumption.

Why do I say “net”? Because if we import a million barrels per day of oil, and export that as roughly a million barrels per day of finished products, it doesn’t actually impact our energy independence — even though it increases our gross overall consumption."

Is The U.S. Energy Independent?​

Is The U.S. Energy Independent?

Did we lose our energy independence under President Biden? It's complicated.

www.forbes.com

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As you will read in Rapier's Forbes article:
".....some people are looking for simple answers. Since Joe Biden is now president, and they recognize his hostility to the oil and gas industry, they reason that it’s a no-brainer that this is primarily Biden’s fault...... Once again, the truth requires a bit more discussion.

Most people view energy independence through the lens of our oil and gas production and consumption. These two sources represent 68% of U.S. energy consumption. When they see our net exports are positive, it is viewed as “energy independence.” When they turn negative, we are once again partially dependent. (In reality, we are always partially dependent, because even when our exports exceed our imports, we are still importing oil from other countries).

It is true that in 2019 our net imports of crude oil and finished products flipped from positive to negative. By that metric, we became energy independent (at last as far as our oil consumption goes). It is also true that Donald Trump was president when this happened for the first time in October 2019.

But note that this was the culmination of a trend that started in 2006 when U.S. net imports topped 13 million BPD. Most of that march to energy independence happened under President Obama. All President Trump (and President Obama before him) had to do was avoid driving the bus into the ditch, and they would continue to benefit from the hydraulic fracking boom that enabled all of this.
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As in so many of the discussions on this venue, there is a an strident desire for simplicity. Oversimplify.....to achieve simple answers. But the questions and the issues......ain't. Simple.
Trust me. It is complicated.

So be at peace, good poster 'flacaltenn'. With a little due diligence you can learn more, and avoid overheated emotionalism. Thus contribute in a more productive and positive manner.

Anger such as below does not serve to advance responsible adult discussion:


IMHO

Since Steve Forbes LEFT Forbes - their COLLECTIVE corporate IQ has been cut in half.

The ACTUAL definition I gave is sufficient. The ability to PRODUCE more oil/nat gas and petro products than YOU USE is the best that you will get. What the nitwits at Forbes are blubbering about is the fact that like WHEAT or solar panels or drugs or ANY OTHER commodity -- no matter HOW much YOU make -- they are WORLD markets. And YOU neither set the price or the deliveries or the variety that any other particular country needs.

For instance, we dont USE a lot of oil for our electric grid. The only significant replacement is for home heating which reduces demand on our grid for electricity. Now mind you --- the Brandon counsel of mental midgets and leftists in Cali are outlawing (or plan to outlaw) building homes that require nat gas or home heating oil -- but that's another story.

So countries that use more of that grade of "refined" product are gonna want US home heating oil - or "bunker oil" for shipping. MORE than maybe we use. They may also buy "refined gasoline" from us. And by selling it them - it balancing our "supply chain" of petro products and keeps the PRICING of the stuff STABLE AT HOME.

Keeping the prices stable at HOME -- and exporting more than we use is WISE and good planning. Because AMERICAN oil and nat gas is a lot cleaner than say Russian oil and nat gas. So we may IMPORT CHEAPER raw oil from elsewhere to use for less critical things like "bunker oil" or home heating or plastic manufacturing.

FORBES is feeding you the view of our fuel (in)dependence as SOLELY a closed system. It's not and never CAN be -- because it's all FUNGIBLE and part of a TRUE world market driven by special needs and wants.. The only way we'd ever HAVE a "Forbes" system is if some feather brain Administration MANDATED that we KEEP all US production for US NEEDS, before we export a single drum or LNGas tanker ship.

 

[flacaltenn]

No need. 6000 US vets have already volunteered.

It's a war. Volunteers need to apply to Ukraine for permission to join forces. There's a bunch of COOPERATIVE vetting of these guys as there should be. But WHY would Ukraine or any US agency release the numbers PUBLICLY !! It puts those guys in greater jeopardy.

So -- WhereTFuck are you getting 6000? I notice that number hasn't changed in a couple days. And it's seems that ALL you care about to discuss. I spare NO OPPORTUNITY EVER to call bull-shit on you and embarrass you. WHY? All you do is harass me.

Wouldn't be surprised if your primary new source for EVERYTHING is People magazine and its too deep for you for because you only scan the headline and SCREW THAT UP as well while you're waiting at the memory specialist office.

6,000 Americans Contacted Ukraine's Embassy to Fight Against Russia, Official Says — 100 Made the Cut

Aside from the obvious dangers, the U.S. State Department warned that joining a foreign military could cause Americans to lose citizenship, but it’s not necessarily against the law

people.com

6,000 Americans Contacted Ukraine's Embassy to Fight Against Russia, Official Says — 100 Made the Cut March 10, 2022 02:47 PM


Ukraine's embassy in Washington, D.C., is fielding offers from thousands of Americans who say they want to join the fight against Russian invaders.

"They really feel that this war is unfair, unprovoked," Ukraine's military attaché in the U.S., Maj. Gen. Borys Kremenetskyi, told the Associated Press of the would-be foreign fighters. "They feel that they have to go and help."

At the embassy, located in a townhouse in the Georgetown neighborhood, the foreign diplomats are charged with assisting Ukrainians in the U.S. and representing their country's interests to the American government, which in wartime means pushing for as much support as possible and obtaining available weapons for its forces defending the country against the enemy.

Kremenetskyi also spoke about the approximately 6,000 people who said they were eager to take up arms against Russia and who have so far approached the embassy — turning it into a point of contact for American volunteers hoping to enlist.

"This is not mercenaries who are coming to earn money," Kremenetskyi said. "This is people of goodwill who are coming to assist Ukraine to fight for freedom."

Half of those who contacted the Ukrainian embassy in Washington were rejected outright due to a lack of military experience, a criminal history or they were too old or too young to fight, Kremenetskyi told the AP, adding that a 16-year-old boy and a 73-year-old man had been in touch.

The others who said they were interested were invited to a video interview as the process continues. So far, Kremenetskyi said, only about 100 U.S. citizens — including helicopter pilots and veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with combat experience — have made the cut.

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Source is Ukranian Embassy military attache. He got a lot of free recruitment advertising, but I doubt he'd EVER telegraph the REAL numbers to the Russians. 3 days earlier, he got an interview with Newsweek and the total number of UNVETTED volunteers was just 3000. See link below.

Thousands of Americans Reportedly Join Ukraine's Fight Against Russia

Zelensky reported roughly 16,000 foreigners in total have volunteered to join the military.

www.newsweek.com

The country under siege has received more than 3,000 applications from people in the United States who want to fight, a defense official with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, D.C., told Military Times on Thursday. Many veterans are reportedly among them, but specific figures have not been given.

As far as Brandon pushing this -- he's doing a horrible job compared to Kremennetsky. Best thing for UKRAINE AND THE USA is if he convinced his son Hunter to pay BACK the Ukrainians for all that Biden crime syndicate loot by calling this Ukrainian attaché and BEGGING to serve.

 

[Chillicothe]

Since Steve Forbes LEFT Forbes - their COLLECTIVE corporate IQ has been cut in half.

Link?
Or, is that merely an unsolicted, unvetted, voluntarily-expelled opinion by an anonymous poster on a web-based gossipboard?
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the Brandon counsel of mental midgets and leftists in Cali are outlawing (or plan to outlaw) building homes that require nat gas or home heating oil

Link?
Or, see the above about that 'opinion' stuff?

Look, here's the deal, poster......ANYBODY can come on to a social media site an spout. Opinionize. Vent. Hissyfit.

But it is those who can offer cogent, informed insights with credible sourcing that give 'adult discussions' gravitas, give it a value-added status that benefits all readers.

 

[flacaltenn]

Link?
Or, is that merely an unsolicted, unvetted, voluntarily-expelled opinion by an anonymous poster on a web-based gossipboard?
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Link?
Or, see the above about that 'opinion' stuff?

Look, here's the deal, poster......ANYBODY can come on to a social media site an spout. Opinionize. Vent. Hissyfit.

But it is those who can offer cogent, informed insights with credible sourcing that give 'adult discussions' gravitas, give it a value-added status that benefits all readers.

Amazing that your 1st request is a link to the "collective IQ of Forbes Magazine staff". Shows what you're REALLY INTERESTED in - and how little you understand about fungible commodities on a world market.

Do you maybe work for that sympathetic relic of a great journal? If so, my condolences and I apologize. But I understand times are tough and Steve's kids need to hire and you needed the dough.

It could be that maybe it's LESS than half of Steve's IQ or possibly maybe more like 60%.

Since you THINK that pulling a link is the ONLY thing required and didnt' lift a pinky to discuss any SPECIFIC assertions that I made -- my suggestions would be to start your OWN THREAD in forum Energy and maybe I'll join in. IF -- you dont use JUST that one link and demonstrate a personal ability to COMPREHEND simple world commodities trading and impact on the participants.

Am I bit angry? Yes I am. Appalled that we are almost as close to mutual nuclear annihilation as the Cuban missile crisis and all the LEFT wants to do is push "party of Putin" memes and hang wring about the tragedy in Ukraine without DISCUSSING the REAL villains, possible outcomes, and appropriate US response.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Whether Moscow is hit first of Washington DC may well be immaterial. Once it starts, there will be no time for diplomacy. Missiles launch sites, air bases, and the military command and control centers will be hit followed by major cities in order of importance. As I remember we have 28 nuclear subs each carrying 11 missiles with nuclear warheads with a 5,000 mile range. After the subs delivery their payload, they will return to base to replenish their missiles and warheads if there is something to return to.

Americans will have about 30 to 40 mins to prepare for the end. Russians may have only 10 to 15 mins before US sub missiles reach their targets. After the immediate destruction of cities by nuclear blasts, the potential aftermath of a nuclear war could involve firestorms, a nuclear winter, widespread radiation sickness from fallout, and/or the temporary (if not permanent) loss of much modern technology due to electromagnetic pulses.

Your numbers are incorrect. Our 8 subs carry 24 missiles and there are capable of firing the Trident D-missile with a range of over 7000 nm.

 

[flacaltenn]

I don't know where you get your information from. Tucker Carlson?

That's cute. I'm not allowed to tell you how I know where to look. How's that?

For instance, if you want publicly CONFIRMED arms trades between countries -- there's a registry for that.

To see the chart below -- go to THIS link and scroll to the chart at the bottom of page that shows total trade to Ukraine in arms. Above that chart -- there's a link to "registry". To download the register you've got to have a version of MSoft word newer than about 2010.

Arms Transfers to Ukraine

Resource page on arms transfers to Urkaine.

www.forumarmstrade.org

And before you DOUBT this link as something "Tucker Carlson" just sent me - check out the org.

Here's what the US has sent to Ukraine that's considered major armament.

So about the Javelins -- Trump sent 210 in 2018 --- 150 in 2019 -- and 180 sometime in 2021 that we can fight over WHO got them appropriated.

NOTE: the 300 from Brandon -- had estimated ship date in 2022. THESE were PURPOSELY WITHHELD from December until AFTER Putin invaded -- even tho they cleared Congress in December.

Continued in next post.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You’re commie propaganda dribble is laughable. Democrats control 99% of news sources, social media, and your about to lose 50% of the Hispanic vote to Republicans. Black men are leaving in droves.. mostly because hatians came here with family units and educated them selves. You’re party is about to get pissed on in November

Trump is the GOP’s creation – the result of decades of rightwing ignorance, fear, bigotry, racism, hate, nativism, and contempt for the Constitution, its case law, the rule of law, and our democratic institutions.

 

[flacaltenn]

meaner gene

As for your hero Brandon, his ears were burning from 3rd rate advice he was getting from his hand-picked, diversity approved, hardened progressive RE-TREDS... HE DIDDLED (as expected) while Putin was massing his troops for FEAR of upsetting him. MAYBE - this has something to do with what Putin KNOWS about his corrupt "pay for play" business that Hunter was running. MAYBE -- BRANDON is the REAL RUSSIAN troll --eh???

Date of link below is Dec 10, 2021. I was wrong about when Congress approved it. It was SITTING ON HIS DESK sometime in MID NOVEMBER !!!!!

Biden admin holds back extra military aid to Kyiv amid diplomatic push

((Updated Dec. 10, 2021))

Despite appeals from Ukraine, Biden admin holds back additional military aid to Kyiv amid diplomatic push

The Biden administration prepared a $200 million package of additional military assistance for Ukraine in recent weeks but held off on delivering the aid despite appeals from Kyiv and some lawmakers, according to three people familiar with the issue.

A source familiar with the matter, however, said there are a number of other options on the table for further assistance to Ukraine, including a much larger package of aid that would be approved in the event of further incursion by Russia.

Earlier this week, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters President Joe Biden told Russian President Vladimir Putin that if Russia launched an attack the U.S. would impose tough sanctions on Moscow and would send more military aid to Ukraine.

The administration's delay of the smaller shipment of weapons and military equipment was designed to give more time for diplomatic efforts to defuse tensions and to retain leverage in the case of a Russian attack on Ukraine, the three people familiar with the issue told NBC News.

The smaller package “has been on the president’s desk for roughly three to four weeks,” said one of the sources briefed on the issue.

The smaller, $200 million package was expected to be approved and announced last week but instead the White House chose to postpone any final decision, the sources said.

Although it’s unclear what the proposed $200 million aid package includes, Ukraine has asked for air defense systems, anti-ship missiles, more Javelin anti-tank missiles, electronic jamming gear, radar systems, ammunition, upgraded artillery munitions and medical supplies, according to two people familiar with the request.

After having submitted their urgent request for military assistance a month ago and received a positive response, the Ukrainian government was puzzled as to why the aid package had not gone ahead as expected. “There is slight frustration over this,” said a person familiar with the Kyiv government’s view.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment. A spokesperson for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy declined to comment.
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Betcha Zelensky had better words for Brandon's inaction here than -- "There is a slight frustration".. Love to hear HIS OPINION of the new US President..

Later article from Foreign Policy magazine dated Feb 24 2022 -- shows that the Biden Admin HELD UP arms to Ukraine until close to END of December. Makes it hard to train and secure and hide them by that time.

Biden Administration Debates Legality of Arming Ukrainian Resistance

Russia could make the case that the United States is a co-combatant.

foreignpolicy.com

Biden Administration Debates Legality of Arming Ukrainian Resistance
Russia could make the case that the United States is a co-combatant. FEBRUARY 24, 2022, 3:55 PM

Over the past year, some administration officials have repeatedly warned against military moves that could inadvertently escalate tensions with Moscow. This led U.S. President Joe Biden to temporarily hold up sending U.S. defensive military aid to Ukraine despite buy-ins from other U.S. agencies.

If this were to happen, some aides on Capitol Hill believe Biden should seek approval from Congress before sending weapons and other military aid to Ukrainian forces. Some international law experts believe that delivering such arms during an active war could allow Russia to make the case that the United States is legally a party to the conflict, triggering an inadvertent escalation between the two nuclear powers.

Yet skeptics see the rising questions within the U.S. government as part of a pattern. The NSC pushed back on defensive assistance to the Ukrainians over the course of the past year, arguing the move could be perceived as escalatory and only exacerbate tensions with Russia. The administration delayed packages of military aid twice last year—in April and December—before reversing course and ultimately greenlighting both deliveries.

 

[Mac-7]

They are now against anything that a "globalist" wants. On any issue, even domestic issues. So a person who is pro choice, or pro gay marriage, or pro Europe is a "globalist". They don't appear to either separate the issues or recognize degrees of support.

That appears to be their first layer of identifying people. If they decide you're a "globalist", that's that. They're at "war" with you.

Just as you claim trump supporters are cultists

The globalists went too far, often for the sake of GLOBAL warming and we the people took notice

biden is a globalist who gives equal value to whats best for America or the world

thats a bad person to have in the Oval Office

 

[IamZ]

Trump is the GOP’s creation – the result of decades of rightwing ignorance, fear, bigotry, racism, hate, nativism, and contempt for the Constitution, its case law, the rule of law, and our democratic institutions.

Trump is anti-constitution? The left is literally silenced him on all social platforms you’re trying to put him in jail you’re trying to put all of his team in jail because he kicked your ass in 2020 and you’re using this as a distraction. You commie troll .. funny how you leave that out ha