The portion of the repub party that is pro-Putin is alarming

Link or you suck.. How's that for a deal?
Excellent. It appears Flac here is feeling some pangs of conscience about his Tokyo Rose / Axis Sally / Lord HeeHaw act. Too bad for him that the Ukranians aren't paying attention to it.

Now Flac, tell us more about those Hunter Biden conspiracy theories,

Oh, I see.

I didn't attack conservatives or Republicans. I specifically attacked the alt-right ... causing Flac to take great offense. Clearly, Flac self-identifies as alt-right now. That also explains why he's pushing their conspiracy theories.
 
And Brandon (bless his tired heart) should have had ALL of Ukraine armed to the TEETH as Putin was massing troops around the ENTIRE COUNTRY for FOUR FUCKING MONTHS. Maybe Putin has more dirt on HIM !! MAYBE
You know the Sec of Def personally delivered $60 million in arms to Ukraine in October 2021, FOUR fucking months before Putin invaded.

October 19, 2021

The United States Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin arrived in Ukraine Tuesday for talks aimed at underlining Washington's support of Kiev

Highlighting the US commitment, a fresh allotment of arms and other military equipment was delivered Monday to Ukraine, part of a $60 million package the Biden administration approved.
 
But there were enough Soviet "boomers" sitting underwater off our coast that would WORK JUST FINE to turn the US into glass before we knew a thing.[/B]
The only Russian boomers, were in the movie hunt for red october. Most of their fleet was rusting because they couldn't afford to keep them in operation.


At the height of the Cold War the Soviet had more than 300 submarines and 83 missile-carrying submarines in service. These days few Russian submarines even leave their bases because it is simply too expensive to maintain them and keep them running.

Russia once had 90 submarines in the Pacific but as of the early 2000s had mothballed all but 20 of them.

As of 2005, almost 200 strategic-missile and general-purpose submarines had been decommissioned. Ninety-four had been dismantled. An additional 55 are in the docks waiting to be dismantled.
 
You know the Sec of Def personally delivered $60 million in arms to Ukraine in October 2021, FOUR fucking months before Putin invaded.

C'mon now. You're not dealing with a typical one-liner troll here. "Small arms, Ammunition, and Hand Grenades" ... That's it. Took til December to GET there.

Each javelin or stinger is over $100,000. That's JUST the missiles. Not the launchers which are far more expensive. So none of that was in any quantity for a measly $60Mill. If you take out the processing and shipping and handling -- that leaves about $48Mill.

I dont care what gets done now. It's like fixing the stable door after all the barn animals are lost.
 
. But there were enough Soviet "boomers" sitting underwater off our coast that would WORK JUST FINE to turn the US into glass before we knew a thing.
All I can say is how completely wrong you were.


Russia once had 90 submarines in the Pacific but as of the early 2000s had mothballed all but 20 of them. Some of the submarines tied up in their bases and unlikely to ever to return to sea yet contain payloads and missiles that can still be fired at American and European cities.

The boomers were still armed, but would be firing from their shipyards in Russia, giving us the same warning time as other Russian ballistic missiles.

Meanwhile we had our boomers off the russian coast, so we could hit Moscow before they could hit Washington DC.
 
Russia once had 90 submarines in the Pacific but as of the early 2000s had mothballed all but 20 of them.

I know these numbers better than your source. Those are the old diesels that made so much noise, they were useless as missile carriers or attack subs. So MOST of the 20 became nuclear and could do MORE damage faster and silenter than ALL of the 90..

Soviets never had a bigger nuke sub fleet in the Pacific - most of it was "elsewhere".
 
C'mon now. You're not dealing with a typical one-liner troll here. "Small arms, Ammunition, and Hand Grenades" ... That's it. Took til December to GET there.
I hate to rain on your parade, but they were delivered in October 2021, and had more than just small arms.


Providing Ukraine with Security Assistance: The United States is announcing a new $60 million security assistance package, including additional Javelin anti-armor systems and other defensive lethal and non-lethal capabilities, to enable Ukraine to more effectively defend itself against Russian aggression.


I don't know where you get your information from. Tucker Carlson?
 
That combined with ongoing sanctions will eventually lead to Russia's defeat and Putin's demise.
Yes, and OTOH, those Oligarchs around Putin might just be made an offer to remove all sanctions IF they permanently remove the inhuman beast.
 
I know these numbers better than your source. Those are the old diesels that made so much noise, they were useless as missile carriers or attack subs. So MOST of the 20 became nuclear and could do MORE damage faster and silenter than ALL of the 90..

Soviets never had a bigger nuke sub fleet in the Pacific - most of it was "elsewhere".
I'll give you a chance to save face.

Post how many boomers the russians had in service in 2012.

Russian SSBN Fleet: Modernizing But Not Sailing Much
By Hans Kristensen • May 3, 2013

The Russian ballistic missile submarine fleet is being modernized but ... number of SSBN patrols has declined again to around five in 2012.

During 2012, according to data obtained from U.S. Naval Intelligence under the Freedom of Information Act, the entire Russian fleet of nine ballistic missile submarines only sailed on five deterrent patrols.

The patrol level is barely enough to maintain one missile submarine on patrol at any given time.
 
. But there were enough Soviet "boomers" sitting underwater off our coast that would WORK JUST FINE to turn the US into glass before we knew a thing.

I know these numbers better than your source.


Russian SSBN Fleet: Modernizing But Not Sailing Much
By Hans Kristensen • May 3, 2013
The patrol level is barely enough to maintain one missile submarine on patrol at any given time.
 
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ah yes, i see why...

“Putin's Russia is a plutocracy and a kleptocracy controlled by an oligarchic elite of white men. He uses secret police and other enforcers to terrorize any person or group he deems to be the enemy. Republicans in the U.S., and many of their allies and followers, want to exercise that kind of power in America.”

also...

In a speech on Wednesday, Putin denounced "national traitors" who are supposedly undermining the war on Ukraine, saying that "real" Russians will "always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and traitors." This is the man so many of today's Republicans idolize.

The US lied in order to invade Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada, Libya, Syria, etc., and you call "Russia" a "kleptocracy"?
The US is the most greedy and offensive militarily, in the whole world.
The US has almost twice the % of people imprisoned.
The US is already using far more abusive power to suppress people than Russia ever has.
For example, the Russian police do not shoot people.
And Russia has zero gun control.
Many people in armed.
So Russia has to be far less repressive than the US.

As for the Ukraine, the gov in Kyiv are traitors, who violated the treaties by trying to get NATO nukes on Russia's border.
Not to mention stealing oil, murdering ethnic Russians, etc.
 
At least BEFORE they level the major cities like they did in Chechnya and Syria recently.

Russia had nothing to do with Syria.
There have never been Russian troops doing more than training Syrian pilots, in Syria.
 
Actually commonly accepted that Russia will eventually loose... it unsure if Russia can hang on to take over the country... Already they took 50% of the casualties of Afghanistan in three weeks...

But this is a financial war and Russia is loosing that one...

Wrong.
Russia can fight this war forever.
They made sure their finances are out of our reach.

Afghanistan is irrelevant.
They left because there was no point.
But they are NEVER going to all Zelensky to join NATO and put nukes on their border.
 
Right !!!!!!

Just like the revolutionary war was between the English and the French, with the Americans taking the side of the French.

Wrong.
If you are going to use the Revolutionary war as an analogy, then Russia would be like the French helping the Americans.
South Ossetia is sovereign and independent.
{...
South Ossetia (/ɒˈsɛtjə/, less commonly /ɒˈsiːʃə/),[4] officially the Republic of South Ossetia – the State of Alania,[5][6] or the Tskhinvali Region, is a breakaway state in the South Caucasus.[7] It has an officially stated population of just over 53,000 people, who live in an area of 3,900 square kilometres (1,500 sq mi), on the south side of the Greater Caucasus mountain range, with 30,000 living in the capital city, Tskhinvali. Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Nauru, and Syria recognise the separatist polity of the Republic of South Ossetia (or the "State of Alania").[8][9][10][11][12] While Georgia does not control South Ossetia, the Georgian government and most members of the United Nations consider the territory part of Georgia, whose constitution designates the area as "the former autonomous district of South Ossetia", in reference to the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast disbanded in 1990.[13]

Georgia does not recognise the existence of South Ossetia as a political entity, and the territory comprising South Ossetia does not correspond to any Georgian administrative area (although Georgian authorities have set up the Provisional Administration of South Ossetia as a transitional measure leading to the settlement of South Ossetia's status), with most of the territory included into Shida Kartli region. When neutral language is deemed necessary, both Georgia and international organisations often refer to the area informally as the (legally undefined) "Tskhinvali Region".[nb 1]

The South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast, established by Soviet authorities in 1922, declared independence from the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1991. The Georgian government responded by abolishing South Ossetia's autonomy and trying to re-establish its control over the region by force.[14] The escalating crisis led to the 1991–1992 South Ossetia War.[15] Georgians have fought against those controlling South Ossetia on two other occasions: in 2004 and in 2008.[16] The latter conflict led to the Russo-Georgian War of August 2008, during which Ossetian and Russian forces gained full de facto control of the territory of the former South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast. In the wake of the 2008 war, Georgia and a significant part of the international community regard South Ossetia as occupied by the Russian military.

South Ossetia relies heavily on military, political and financial aid from Russia.[17][18]
...}
 
No one wins. Putin thought he would march in and win in a day or two. It is not going to be that easy. Even if he does eventually win, he will need to keep thousands of troops there to prop up his puppet government. He will never win the hearts and souls of the Ukrainian people. They will go under ground to fight his fascist rule like the French did during Hitler's occupation during WWII.

Wrong.
Putin NEVER wanted to win any minds or hearts.
He SAID what he wanted MANY times.
ALL he wants is a gov in Kyiv that won't try to join NATO, kill ethnic Russians, steal oil, or violate treaties.
He does NOT have to occupy the Ukraine, just destroy their military capability.
 
I'll give you a chance to save face.

Post how many boomers the russians had in service in 2012.

Russian SSBN Fleet: Modernizing But Not Sailing Much
By Hans Kristensen • May 3, 2013

The Russian ballistic missile submarine fleet is being modernized but ... number of SSBN patrols has declined again to around five in 2012.

During 2012, according to data obtained from U.S. Naval Intelligence under the Freedom of Information Act, the entire Russian fleet of nine ballistic missile submarines only sailed on five deterrent patrols.

The patrol level is barely enough to maintain one missile submarine on patrol at any given time.

Mistaken believe that "patrols" are at all relevant.
All missile subs have to do is not be in port, so that they can't be quickly eliminated.
If they move around in a half mile circle, then they are safe from US attack, and can retaliate.
 
Russia had nothing to do with Syria.
There have never been Russian troops doing more than training Syrian pilots, in Syria.

That would be hysterically funny ignorance right there if it was not a disgusting use of Russian force. Go check your facts. CLEARLY Russia bombed the FUCK out of Syria. When you see those pix of Aleppo, that's what Putin intends for the large Ukrainian cities he cant clear from the ground.

OK -- I'll fix your misconception.. You on the left "meme team" would take YEARS to fix. Start here.


Why is Russia bombing Aleppo?
Russia announced in September 2015 that would intervene militarily in Syria.

At that time Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's troops were retreating weakened by a fierce civil war being fought on many fronts.

With the backing of his government Vladimir Putin moved to prevent his ally from being significantly weakened or even outed.

He immediately launched air strikes over the country.

Putin has repeatedly said he entered the battle to fight Islamic State, however it is widely accepted that Russia's reasons for intervention were more complex.

Many bombs have fallen on opposition rebel troops strengthening Assad's position, which in turn protects Russia's assets in the area.

The bombing campaign can also be seen as a display of military strength by a posturing Russia wishing to show itself as a key world power to rival the US.


Russia's role in the bombing of Aleppo, which has seen nurseries, hospitals and civilian areas flattened, has been widely condemned by the international community.


Russia says Syria raids from Iranian base do not violate UN resolution
By AFP

PUBLISHED: 17:29 EDT, 17 August 2016 | UPDATED: 17:29 EDT, 17 August 2016

Russia on Wednesday dismissed a suggestion from Washington that Moscow is violating a UN Security Council resolution by using an Iranian air base for its bombing raids on Syria.

"There are no grounds to suspect Russia of breaching the resolution," Lavrov said at a news conference in Moscow.
Russia on Tuesday began flying warplanes from an Iranian airbase in a major switch in its bombing campaign in Syria that the United States condemned as "unfortunate".

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All that in ADDITION to flying daily sorties WITHIN Syria..
 
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The US lied in order to invade Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada, Libya, Syria, etc., and you call "Russia" a "kleptocracy"?
The US is the most greedy and offensive militarily, in the whole world.
The US has almost twice the % of people imprisoned.
The US is already using far more abusive power to suppress people than Russia ever has.
For example, the Russian police do not shoot people.
And Russia has zero gun control.
Many people in armed.
So Russia has to be far less repressive than the US.

As for the Ukraine, the gov in Kyiv are traitors, who violated the treaties by trying to get NATO nukes on Russia's border.
Not to mention stealing oil, murdering ethnic Russians, etc.
that stuff about the USA is correct, but russia arrests protestors with an iron fist. As much as Trump wanted to arrest BLM protestors, he could only have his unmarked vans that didn't last very long. Russia on democracy ranks much lower than the USA. USA = 36th, Russia is 144th. As far as Russian police shooting citizens, the Kremlin doesn't release such data, so there is no way to know.
 
Mistaken believe that "patrols" are at all relevant.
All missile subs have to do is not be in port, so that they can't be quickly eliminated.
If they move around in a half mile circle, then they are safe from US attack, and can retaliate.
Read a Clancey novel, or a physics book. A ballistic sub near the Russian coast is no better than a land based ballistic missile. Taking 8-10 minutes minimum launch to impact into the US with the same early warning path as land based launches. Meanwhile a US boomer in the atlantic or pacific could put first strike warheads on Moscow before a Russian missile could strike Washington DC. Different from a russian boomer off the coast, we would also have time to get the bombers in the air for a second strike, with the land based missiles targeted either counter force or strategic decapitation depending on first strike deployment.

With only one boomer parked off the coast, they couldn't hope to sucker punch a knock-out.
 
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