The portion of the repub party that is pro-Putin is alarming

[BackAgain]

Still zero evidence for the dishonest claim of the troll OP.

 

[Clipper]

You can count on Joey's leadership from what is a currently a shell of a Democracy supporting a corrupt fledgling Democracy.
Feel better, Taint??

I see where McCarthy came out & blasted Putin. It took him three weeks to do it but then again he had to vette his statement with the Moscow Trump Tower wannabe Trump.

Baby steps.

 

[flacaltenn]

Actually republicans have been pro Putin ever since Trump, so lets start
scrolling those polls.

More Republicans Than Democrats Have Confidence in Russia's Putin

American attitudes toward Putin have steadily declined over the last decade or so, according to the Pew Research Center.

www.newsweek.com

2/8/20

More Republicans Than Democrats Have Confidence in Russia's Putin, Survey Shows

Pew reported on Friday that 31 percent of Republicans have confidence in Putin to do "the right thing" in global affairs, compared with just 10 percent of Democrats.

It started out three times as many republicans as traitors to freedom and democracy.

Pew reported on Friday that 31 percent of Republicans have confidence in Putin to do "the right thing" in global affairs, compared with just 10 percent of Democrats. Overall, however, the average of 20 percent of Americans who are inclined to trust Putin constitutes a lower share than in most any other country queried by Pew in the spring 2019 survey.

That's because Dems VILLIFIED them for FAKE THINGS for 5 years. Even the Dem moron voters equated Russians with generally evil.

If you remember -- OBAMA beat Mitt Romney up BADLY when Romney said in debate that "Russia was our biggest natural threat". ROMNEY WAS RIGHT. I was in the COLD war - it sucked even AFTER Glasnost.

So -- learn what PROOF is.. It's not that silly Pew poll. Or the 30% versus 10%. 40% of the people in that poll couldn't tell you who fought in the Cold war..

You're desperate to confirm your "meme team" latest brainfarts. But its too complicated for you to convince informed people that one party is Putin's party and the other is the Zelensky Party. That's idiot territory Kimosabee.

 

[meaner gene]

Explain to the class why UKRAINE IS GONNA WIN and unicorns will fart rainbows - why dontcha? MTG COULD BE RIGHT.. Even if she is weird and simple.

Remember the russian occupation of Afghanistan.

 

[flacaltenn]

No one wins. Putin thought he would march in and win in a day or two. It is not going to be that easy. Even if he does eventually win, he will need to keep thousands of troops there to prop up his puppet government. He will never win the hearts and souls of the Ukrainian people. They will go under ground to fight his fascist rule like the French did during Hitler's occupation during WWII.

How does that prove that what MTGreen said is IDIOTIC? In fact, you just confirmed that's it's not likely that Ukraine comes out of this as any kind of viable country -- if at all. What do YOU want our role to be?

Are you aware that we're already giving them something that the media has barely mentioned? That's our satellite intel. REAL LIVE AND DEADLY. THAT'S why the Ukraine army looks as good as they have been. AND THAT -- COULD be a bigger provocation to Putin than ANY of the arms or aid we're sending.

How much CLOSER to WW3 do you want to be? We are DIRECTING Ukranian forces LIVE on the ground !!!!!

I wholeheartedly support the Ukrainians and Zelensky. DEPLORE Putins latest bout with mental stability and his war chant to "Denazify Ukraine".

But -- there's a LOT of politicians saying stupid things to LOOK important. And a LOT of that COULD start WW3...

IN FACT -- mostly stupid REPUBLICANS that I've seen calling for "no-fly zones" and MIGs. THOSE are not "party of Putin" either are they??

Unless you count Pelosi lusting over bombing the hell out of that stalled Russian convoy.

 

[Chillicothe]

"The war was not between Russia and Georgia, but really between South Ossetia separatists and Georgia, with the Russians taking the side of the separatists."

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"South Ossetia" separatists, eh?

Ummm, good poster Rigby, far be it from my avatar to mentor you; however, you do need someone.
So let's do this as sort of a downpayment until you can find someone with greater experience.....and who maybe cares.

It is a familiar track oft-travelled by Russia to find, or to create, and exploit any division within in any country that it desires to either dominate, or de-stabilize.
So, wherever they can accelerate a "seperatists'-dynamic", well, that is their edge of the wedge. And they do what the Russians do.

I am mildly positive you really do know that already.

Accordingly, nobody, including your avatar, poster Rigby, can or should trust the Russians in these nation-state matters. Russia will install in some sort of governance role in Ukraine someone they have groomed or allied with to be 'their' man.

They have done such countless times. A smidgen of research will inform you of that ..... whether it is the Donbas, Georgia, Cuba, North Korea, Belarus, Moldovia, the United States of America, and on and on and on.

 

[meaner gene]

If you remember -- OBAMA beat Mitt Romney up BADLY when Romney said in debate that "Russia was our biggest natural threat". ROMNEY WAS RIGHT. I was in the COLD war - it sucked even AFTER Glasnost.

At that time Russia was a rusting 3rd class power. They couldn't even afford to pay their military. Russia was not our biggest threat at that time.

 

[CowboyTed]

Putin and the Russian military understand NATO's agreements and protocols.

NATO is protecting Ukraine by shipping them arms, NATO never guaranteed that it would commit troops to defend Ukraine.

NATO did not 'Expand' east. Eastern European countries requested NATO membership. There were no invasions or conquest involved. Perhaps if Russia didn't continually bully it's neighbors these countries would not have requested NATO membership.

The only thing that we need convince Putin of is that his invasion of Ukraine is one of the greatest military blunder in history. We & the Ukrainians are accomplishing that.

How do we stop Putin from selling his oil around the world? Sink Russian oil freighters? Bomb their oil fields? Even you can't be that stupid (well maybe)

Lets look why Ukraine was looking for NATO membership :
Russia installs Russian kleptocrat leader
Russia tries to kill the opposition leader
Russia invade Crimea
Russia invades two other provinces

Why does Ukraine want to join EU
Corruption, the previous Russian kleptocrat leader left in place the instruments that allows Ukraine to be pillaged by Russian oligrats..

Seriously if you get the time, watch this... It gives a great insight into Russian legacy in Ukraine...


There is a guy call Bill Browder interviewed... His book 'Red Notice' is one of the great books on modern day Russia...

 

[flacaltenn]

Remember the russian occupation of Afghanistan.

Remember the American occupation of Afghanistan for that matter. You CAN NOT WIN a war against 45 different tribal leaders and CREATE a national govt there. That's the RUssian mistake and we were dumb enough to repeat it.

 

[meaner gene]

So -- learn what PROOF is.. It's not that silly Pew poll. Or the 30% versus 10%. 40% of the people in that poll couldn't tell you who fought in the Cold war..

You're desperate to confirm your "meme team" latest brainfarts. But its too complicated for you to convince informed people that one party is Putin's party and the other is the Zelensky Party. That's idiot territory Kimosabee.

Trump moved republicans from the party of Reagan, to the party of Putin.

From the very start, Trump was talking up Putin, and talking down Ukraine. Trump asked, would closer relations with Russia be a bad thing? And Trump dropped American support of Ukraine from the 2016 republican platform.

The one and only change Trump made to the platform.

 

[flacaltenn]

At that time Russia was a rusting 3rd class power. They couldn't even afford to pay their military. Russia was not our biggest threat at that time.

Sure they were. Who was the most UNSTABLE nuclear packed govt at the time? China? -- No. North Korea/Iran -- Not yet. We danced in confrontations from Korea to the Middle East with them. In subs chasing subs, satellites vs satellites, aircraft near misses and all that shit every day of the week.

 

[flacaltenn]

Trump moved republicans from the party of Reagan, to the party of Putin.

From the very start, Trump was talking up Putin, and talking down Ukraine. Trump asked, would closer relations with Russia be a bad thing? And Trump dropped American support of Ukraine from the 2016 republican platform.

The one and only change Trump made to the platform.

Bad history.. Obama sent Ukraine blankets and medical supplies. Trump sent them defensive weapons. First shipments to go there were under Trump. He and Zelensky got along FINE because BOTH had a solid "nationalist" streak.

Democrats deplore nationalism or MAGA as plague. UNTIL NOW -- where they are FAWNING over a "nationalist" in Ukraine giving his LIFE for his country.

It's all garbage and gross hypocrisy because the American media and DEMOS in particular dont do DEEP DIVES into policy or issues or even critical thinking. THEY run on polling, focus groups, memes and feelings. And ANY WAY to villify their opposition.

 

[meaner gene]

Sure they were. Who was the most UNSTABLE nuclear packed govt at the time? China? -- No. North Korea/Iran -- Not yet. We danced in confrontations from Korea to the Middle East with them. In subs chasing subs, satellites vs satellites, aircraft near misses and all that shit every day of the week.

Russia was at it's low point. The only thing they had were their aging nuclear forces. But they were not a power that could invade another country, no less take on NATO or the US, except with their nuclear forces, half of which were out of commission. Russia was a mess. Romney saying Russia was our biggest threat was a big a blunder as when Gerald Ford said that eastern europe wasn't under soviet influence.

 

[meaner gene]

Bad history.. Obama sent Ukraine blankets and medical supplies. Trump sent them defensive weapons. First shipments to go there were under Trump. He and Zelensky got along FINE because BOTH had a solid "nationalist" streak.

What you left out about Trump sending ukraine defensive weapons is that when he did, the agreement said that the Ukraines couldn't use those weapons against the Russians, who they were fighting in the Donbas region.

Yeah. Trump sold them defensive weapons, but the string attached was that they couldn't use them against Putin.

 

[mamooth]

The good news? 6000 American volunteers, most of them vets, are fighting in Ukraine now. And obviously, the alt-right here wants them dead. But their longstanding hatred of the US military not the main reason they're all doing their best to help Russia.

The Trump admin was tied closely to Russia. They know that. Everyone knows that. If someone tries to claim that was a hoax, you know they've worn out many sets of kneepads servicing Putin.

Putin hates the same things they hate -- gays, feminists, a free press, free elections, the rule of law, liberty, human rights. The alt-right thinks all of those things are "woke", and therefore must be destroyed.

Most importantly, Russia is really white. In the eyes of the alt-right, Putin is the Great White Savior. That means they're required to back him.

Sucks to be alt-right now. The whole nation thinks they're garbage. I mean, even more so than before. That's why they have to come whine in online SafeSpaces.

 

[Flopper]

There are 3 points in this "speech" where she points out that Ukraine "cannot win".

I think that crosses a line.Firstly I doubt her qualifications to make comment on that. It sounds very Lord Haw Haw to me.
There is a legitimate position to saying that other countries should not get involved in Russias illegal war. But this just seems to be Russian propaganda.

Putin is an enemy to the US and all freedom loving democratic countries. What does this wretched woman gain by supporting him ?
That is a question that needs an answer.

There are lots of people that respect Putin simply because he is an authoritarian who hates democratic government. Putin sees democracy as a danger. Allowing people a voice in government is dangerous which many republicans seem to agree. Under the guise of protecting the ballot they seek to disqualify millions of voters.

 

[meaner gene]

Putin hates the same things they hate -- gays, feminists, a free press, free elections, the rule of law, liberty, human rights. The alt-right thinks all of those things are "woke", and therefore must be destroyed.

Republicans embracing Russian values.

 

[flacaltenn]

What you left out about Trump sending ukraine defensive weapons is that when he did, the agreement said that the Ukraines couldn't use those weapons against the Russians, who they were fighting in the Donbas region.

Yeah. Trump sold them defensive weapons, but the string attached was that they couldn't use them against Putin.

That was a totally RESPONSIBLE comprise. And one that Zelensky wouldn't have an issue with. Because Putin was just WAITING for excuses to invade the REST of Ukraine. What you think spoiled the deal -- actually made it stronger.

And Brandon (bless his tired heart) should have had ALL of Ukraine armed to the TEETH as Putin was massing troops around the ENTIRE COUNTRY for FOUR FUCKING MONTHS. Maybe Putin has more dirt on HIM !! MAYBE -- Putin has a handful of Biden Balls -- eh???? I'm waiting for the "kompromat" bomb that I expect from Putin emptying his "Brandon" file onto some internet site. We'll get the details of ALL of Hunter's "special deals" that way.

Is THAT why the Biden admin DID NOTHING until the shooting started?? Or is just what we expect from a senile re-tred mental midget?

 

[flacaltenn]

And obviously, the alt-right here wants them dead. But their longstanding hatred of the US military not the main reason they're all doing their best to help Russia.

Link or you suck.. How's that for a deal?

You do fiction for a living or what?

 

[flacaltenn]

At that time Russia was a rusting 3rd class power. They couldn't even afford to pay their military. Russia was not our biggest threat at that time.

We were arguing over moth-balling OUR nuclear stash. And living off "peace dividends since the "end" of the Cold War. We weren't in great shape either. But there were enough Soviet "boomers" sitting underwater off our coast that would WORK JUST FINE to turn the US into glass before we knew a thing. All it takes to "be the greatest threat" is THAT and provocation and UNSTABLE leadership concentrated in VERY few hands.

And look at how fast Putin got EUROPE to be his sucklings. With all the pipelines deals and destabilizing enough countries to cut down on energy competition. Even TODAY -- they and China and MAYBE L'il KimChee have hypersonic missiles. We dont yet. RUSSIA -- maybe CHINA -- has "killer satellites. We dont (AFAIK)

Are WE rusting? I know we started ROTTING since Dems got their winner Brandon elected. But maybe -- China and Russia THINK WE ARE RUSTING and leaving the captains of the world chair lately -- HMMM???

SO -- if Russia developed those capabilities since the 2008 elections, maybe they weren't rusting. MAYBE -- they were working and our intel KNEW it.