The Politics of the "Abortion" Word Games

[BlindBoo]

Who exactly is opposed to a person or religious institutions opposing abortion? I don't care if someone chooses not to have an abortion based on their religion. Just don't try and hold everyone in society to that religious belief.

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

No it doesn't. It is a mythological place. A fairy tale.

You'll believe in hell soon enough.

Nah. It's a myth, like.......

The Cult of Hades Video - Greek Mythology - HISTORY.com

 

[Uncensored2008]

No no no, owning slaves was entirely a liberal thing..........

Now back to reality!

The concept that one person owes service to others is certainly a leftist proposition. Isn't that the basis of your claims that we must "sacrifice for the good of the people?" Further, the concept of group identity and group rights is a huge part of the Bolshevik philosophy you promote. What is the concept of chattel slavery based on race other than the assignment of rights based on group identity? You leftists say "gays" have rights based purely upon the group they belong to, how does that differ from those of your filthy party who claimed that "Negroes" were denied rights because of the racial group they belonged to?

Ultimately, you of the left deny the concept of individualism, and have for hundreds of years. You are no different than the slave holders who proceeded you, you just target different victims.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yet more flailing ignorance on your part.

The states cannot impose a state religion because that would violate the federal constitution.

Try enrolling in an adult remedial education class for social studies at your local community college, PoliticalSpice.

And the State can, in no way, impose its will upon Christianity or impair the free exercise thereof. That means that if a religious institution is opposed to abortion the State CANNOT force that institution to do anything whatsoever that goes against its tenets.

Who exactly is opposed to a person or religious institutions opposing abortion? I don't care if someone chooses not to have an abortion based on their religion. Just don't try and hold everyone in society to that religious belief.

Opposition to murder is a religious belief, rather than a secular one?

OK.

Terminating an unwanted pregnancy before viability is still not murder.

"On November 12 the reconstituted jury convicted Peterson of first-degree murder with special circumstances for killing Laci and second-degree murder for killing the fetus she carried."
Scott Peterson - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Fetus/child/baby/adult/senior/adolescent simply refers to the age and developmental stage of a human:

"
efinition
noun, plural: fetuses

The yet-to-be born mammalian offspring following the embryonic stage, and is still going through further development prior to birth


Supplement

Following the embryonic stage, the developing young enters the fetal period, which is in the later stages of development prior to birth. The fetal period is when the offspring has taken a recognizable form as its own species. The fetus is also characterized to possess the major organs in contrast to an embryo. Tthe fetal organs though are not yet fully functional and are still undergoing further development.

In humans, the embryo is called a fetus at the ninth week from the time of conception up to the moment of birth. After being born, the offspring is called an infant or a newborn."

Fetus - definition from Biology-Online.org

Scott Peterson had murdered his wife and unborn child. His wife did not have an abortion.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Abortion is not murder.

Then you wouldn't mind being aborted. The two most common methods are to be drawn and quartered, or to have your brain siphoned out with a vacuum. Which method would you prefer be used on you?

 

[BlindBoo]

No no no, owning slaves was entirely a liberal thing..........

Now back to reality!

The concept that one person owes service to others is certainly a leftist proposition. Isn't that the basis of your claims that we must "sacrifice for the good of the people?" Further, the concept of group identity and group rights is a huge part of the Bolshevik philosophy you promote. What is the concept of chattel slavery based on race other than the assignment of rights based on group identity? You leftists say "gays" have rights based purely upon the group they belong to, how does that differ from those of your filthy party who claimed that "Negroes" were denied rights because of the racial group they belonged to?

Ultimately, you of the left deny the concept of individualism, and have for hundreds of years. You are no different than the slave holders who proceeded you, you just target different victims.

The concept that one person can own another person as property is not a liberal position.

Do what ever mental gymnastics you need to justify yourself. Doesn't bother me a bit.

 

[koshergrl]

Foeticide is a word as well.

"
Feticide

Destruction of the embryo or foetus in the uterus."

Feticide - definition from Biology-Online.org

Pro-death acolytes thing that by playing with words, they will hide the fact that they want to kill human offspring.

That's all it comes down to. Killing the most vulnerable, to amp up their own chances of success, survival, and to free up resources for themselves.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. People with the tortuous viewpoint, that abortion is not taking a human life, and that human beings are no different from machines, bring back echoes of the Progressive eugenicists of a century ago, folks who would have no qualms about any individuals that they could define for extinction.


a. How about we kill off the undesirables, and use their organs? “John Harris, the Sir David Alliance professor of bioethics at the University of Manchester, England,… urged that people like Terri [Schiavo] — that is, human non-persons — be harvested or otherwise used as mere instrumentalities. Bioethicist big-wig Tom Beauchamp of Georgetown University has suggested that “because many humans lack properties of personhood or are less than full persons, they…might be aggressively used as human research subjects or sources of organs.” http://old.nationalreview.com/smithw/smith200503290755.asp

 

[koshergrl]

No no no, owning slaves was entirely a liberal thing..........

Now back to reality!

The concept that one person owes service to others is certainly a leftist proposition. Isn't that the basis of your claims that we must "sacrifice for the good of the people?" Further, the concept of group identity and group rights is a huge part of the Bolshevik philosophy you promote. What is the concept of chattel slavery based on race other than the assignment of rights based on group identity? You leftists say "gays" have rights based purely upon the group they belong to, how does that differ from those of your filthy party who claimed that "Negroes" were denied rights because of the racial group they belonged to?

Ultimately, you of the left deny the concept of individualism, and have for hundreds of years. You are no different than the slave holders who proceeded you, you just target different victims.

The concept that one person can own another person as property is not a liberal position.

Do what ever mental gymnastics you need to justify yourself. Doesn't bother me a bit.

Of course it is.

Liberals maintain that women own their offspring, thus are the only ones authorized to determine whether the kids should live or die. They maintain that women own their own bodies, which means nobody has the right to prevent them from killing their own offspring. Liberals also maintain the state owns children and thus can determine which children should be taken from their families and forced to undergo treatment, and which children should be taken from their families via doctor-assisted suicide, with or without consent of the parents or child.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And the State can, in no way, impose its will upon Christianity or impair the free exercise thereof. That means that if a religious institution is opposed to abortion the State CANNOT force that institution to do anything whatsoever that goes against its tenets.

Who exactly is opposed to a person or religious institutions opposing abortion? I don't care if someone chooses not to have an abortion based on their religion. Just don't try and hold everyone in society to that religious belief.

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

Except that is doesn't exist.

That's the funny thing about the absolute nature of truth. Your disbelief won't save you from hell. Only repentence will. All persons who commit, comission, or advocate abortion will be condemned unless they repent.

That last part was the good news.

 

[koshergrl]

Who exactly is opposed to a person or religious institutions opposing abortion? I don't care if someone chooses not to have an abortion based on their religion. Just don't try and hold everyone in society to that religious belief.

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

Except that is doesn't exist.

That's the funny thing about the absolute nature of truth. Your disbelief won't save you from hell. Only repentence will. All persons who commit, comission, or advocate abortion will be condemned unless they repent.

That last part was the good news.

Repent and accept Christ, that is.

 

[alang1216]

Sorry but life doesn’t begin at conception, it began billions of years ago (or 6,000 if you prefer). Someone saying they are pro-life is meaningless, they destroy life daily, every microbe, cow, and carrot is alive.
What the pro-lifers really mean is that they are pro-HUMAN life and imply they know for certain when life is a human being. They don’t claim a sperm or egg is human but do claim a combination of the two is. Is it biology that marks the change or some supernatural belief?
To me, a fertilized egg contains the blueprint of a human being but is not itself human. Any more than a set of blueprints is a house. Both the blueprint and the DNA are incapable of building anything, they require external actors to read and follow the plans. To say a blueprint is a house and should be treated as such is obviously absurd. What pro-lifers need to understand is that to say to many of us that to destroy a fertilized egg is murder is the same in our minds as saying burning a blueprint is the same as tearing down a house.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Ah, the abortion is infanticide or murder argument.

Legally it is just not so.

Morally and ethically it is. Simple common sense says that when a life ends that a death has taken place. Add hundreds of thousands or millions of planned, premeditated deaths together and you end up with a genocide. I should hope that would make sense to you.

So every single miscarriage is 3rd degree murder?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

Except that is doesn't exist.

That's the funny thing about the absolute nature of truth. Your disbelief won't save you from hell. Only repentence will. All persons who commit, comission, or advocate abortion will be condemned unless they repent.

That last part was the good news.

Repent and accept Christ, that is.

Um....

 

[Derideo_Te]

Who exactly is opposed to a person or religious institutions opposing abortion? I don't care if someone chooses not to have an abortion based on their religion. Just don't try and hold everyone in society to that religious belief.

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

Except that is doesn't exist.

That's the funny thing about the absolute nature of truth. Your disbelief won't save you from hell. Only repentence will. All persons who commit, comission, or advocate abortion will be condemned unless they repent.

That last part was the good news.

Your superstitions are your problem, not mine.

 

[koshergrl]

Sorry but life doesn’t begin at conception, it began billions of years ago (or 6,000 if you prefer). Someone saying they are pro-life is meaningless, they destroy life daily, every microbe, cow, and carrot is alive.
What the pro-lifers really mean is that they are pro-HUMAN life and imply they know for certain when life is a human being. They don’t claim a sperm or egg is human but do claim a combination of the two is. Is it biology that marks the change or some supernatural belief?
To me, a fertilized egg contains the blueprint of a human being but is not itself human. Any more than a set of blueprints is a house. Both the blueprint and the DNA are incapable of building anything, they require external actors to read and follow the plans. To say a blueprint is a house and should be treated as such is obviously absurd. What pro-lifers need to understand is that to say to many of us that to destroy a fertilized egg is murder is the same in our minds as saying burning a blueprint is the same as tearing down a house.

Er..yes, we know what we mean when we say "pro-life". And the term has a specific meaning, though it is fun to watch you loons play with it..

"
pro–life
adjective \(ˌ)prō-ˈlīf\
: opposed to abortion"

Pro-life - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


And it doesn't matter what a fertilized egg is to you..science recognizes it as a human, not a blueprint. It is a living organism from day 1.

 

[BlindBoo]

Who exactly is opposed to a person or religious institutions opposing abortion? I don't care if someone chooses not to have an abortion based on their religion. Just don't try and hold everyone in society to that religious belief.

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

Except that is doesn't exist.

That's the funny thing about the absolute nature of truth. Your disbelief won't save you from hell. Only repentence will. All persons who commit, comission, or advocate abortion will be condemned unless they repent.

That last part was the good news.

Oh I'd love to believe in the fairy tale that sends all the bad people to a place for eternal punishment for their deeds, unless they repent but, I don't.

 

[koshergrl]

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

Except that is doesn't exist.

That's the funny thing about the absolute nature of truth. Your disbelief won't save you from hell. Only repentence will. All persons who commit, comission, or advocate abortion will be condemned unless they repent.

That last part was the good news.

Oh I'd love to believe in the fairy tale that sends all the bad people to a place for eternal punishment for their deeds, unless they repent but, I don't.

Your belief has no effect on the reality, except as far as it will convict you..one way or the other.

 

[alang1216]

Sorry but life doesn’t begin at conception, it began billions of years ago (or 6,000 if you prefer). Someone saying they are pro-life is meaningless, they destroy life daily, every microbe, cow, and carrot is alive.
What the pro-lifers really mean is that they are pro-HUMAN life and imply they know for certain when life is a human being. They don’t claim a sperm or egg is human but do claim a combination of the two is. Is it biology that marks the change or some supernatural belief?
To me, a fertilized egg contains the blueprint of a human being but is not itself human. Any more than a set of blueprints is a house. Both the blueprint and the DNA are incapable of building anything, they require external actors to read and follow the plans. To say a blueprint is a house and should be treated as such is obviously absurd. What pro-lifers need to understand is that to say to many of us that to destroy a fertilized egg is murder is the same in our minds as saying burning a blueprint is the same as tearing down a house.

Er..yes, we know what we mean when we say "pro-life". And the term has a specific meaning, though it is fun to watch you loons play with it..

"
pro–life
adjective \(ˌ)prō-ˈlīf\
: opposed to abortion"

Pro-life - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


And it doesn't matter what a fertilized egg is to you..science recognizes it as a human, not a blueprint. It is a living organism from day 1.

Science recognizes the fertilized egg as human life in the same way it recognizes a sperm or cancer cell as human life.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Since when is not allowing murder an exclusively religious principle?

Abortion is not murder.

Hell awaits.

Except that is doesn't exist.

That's the funny thing about the absolute nature of truth. Your disbelief won't save you from hell. Only repentence will. All persons who commit, comission, or advocate abortion will be condemned unless they repent.

That last part was the good news.

Oh I'd love to believe in the fairy tale that sends all the bad people to a place for eternal punishment for their deeds, unless they repent but, I don't.

Absolute truth doesn't care what you believe.

 

[koshergrl]

Sorry but life doesn’t begin at conception, it began billions of years ago (or 6,000 if you prefer). Someone saying they are pro-life is meaningless, they destroy life daily, every microbe, cow, and carrot is alive.
What the pro-lifers really mean is that they are pro-HUMAN life and imply they know for certain when life is a human being. They don’t claim a sperm or egg is human but do claim a combination of the two is. Is it biology that marks the change or some supernatural belief?
To me, a fertilized egg contains the blueprint of a human being but is not itself human. Any more than a set of blueprints is a house. Both the blueprint and the DNA are incapable of building anything, they require external actors to read and follow the plans. To say a blueprint is a house and should be treated as such is obviously absurd. What pro-lifers need to understand is that to say to many of us that to destroy a fertilized egg is murder is the same in our minds as saying burning a blueprint is the same as tearing down a house.

Er..yes, we know what we mean when we say "pro-life". And the term has a specific meaning, though it is fun to watch you loons play with it..

"
pro–life
adjective \(ˌ)prō-ˈlīf\
: opposed to abortion"

Pro-life - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


And it doesn't matter what a fertilized egg is to you..science recognizes it as a human, not a blueprint. It is a living organism from day 1.

Science recognizes the fertilized egg as human life in the same way it recognizes a sperm or cancer cell as human life.

No it doesn't, you loon. Once again the ignorant leftists step to the front to advertise their idiocy.

"The former zygote
~ 1 year after fertilization.....

Cute, multicellular, and diploid..."

Hint...a sperm doesn't morph into a human. Nor does a cancer cell. Cancer cells and sperm are not the *same* as a fertilized egg.

Scientists get this.

Pro-death cultists don't. And they can't be taught, because they WANT to kill the offspring of humanity. They alter the language and they lie in order to achieve that end.

Meiosis and Formation of Eggs and Sperm