The Political Agenda of the Christian Right

[txlonghorn]

It really surprises me that in this day and age, people still believe in mysticism and the occult.

Why?

 

[Kalam]

I guess we could have been monkeys at one time...but why not just become the planet of the apes? Why the necessity to evolve and co-exist with primates today?

Fundamental misunderstanding of evolution. We didn't evolve from monkeys or any other creature currently in existence; we share a common ancestor with them.

 

[txlonghorn]

I guess we could have been monkeys at one time...but why not just become the planet of the apes? Why the necessity to evolve and co-exist with primates today?

Fundamental misunderstanding of evolution. We didn't evolve from monkeys or any other creature currently in existence; we share a common ancestor with them.

You might want to study up on sarcasm...when you don't recognize it, it tends to detract from your scientific genius.

 

[Political Junky]

I am a conservative Christian and I take issue with your broad statements.

First of all, I believe in the sanctity of human life: that means babies(they are NOT fetuses), elderly, and those who have special needs. Abortion is the chicken way out. If you are responsible enough to have unprotected sex, then belly up to the bar and be responsible and have the child. Let it be adopted. Abortion is your drug of convenience to take care of a "problem". It is not the child's fault. It is a scourge on our nation and we are paying for it in spades. Just think 45 million babies aborted--that is 45 million people paying taxes, paying into social security. What about all of the inventors, doctors, lawyers, teachers who have been killed because someone chooses to get pregnant and not be bothered with the responsibility of a baby. God forbid. There again we have raised a generation who have NO idea what personal responsibility means.

I believe as a Christian that the only safe sex is ABSTINENCE. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Does it happen? Yes it does. I also believe that it is the responsibilty of the parents and NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, OR SOME SCHOOL SYSTEM to teach my children about sex.

In a perfect world, I would like for creationism to be taught and that only. However, I have to live in the real world where there are those who love Darwin and his drivel. Why would it be so hard to teach both equally with the same respect? No liberals don't play that way. It is their way or the highway. And the way the school systems look now and the poor quality of MANY teachers, homeschooling is looking pretty good for lots of children and not just in Christian homes either.

As a Christian gay marriage is wrong. Marriage is sanctioned by God and NOT ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE is it suggested between anyone other than 1 man and 1 woman.

Like it or not, our country WAS founded on Judeo-Christian values. It is amazing to me, we have taken God out of everything and yet in Washington D.C. God is everywhere.

I don't understand how the Christians are the intolerant ones and yet the liberals can get away with calling us whatever they would like and paint us as the hate mongers. It is the same old song. One word for them HYPOCRITES.

You're wrong on so many levels. There are many instances of men having multiple wives in the Bible.

 

[007]

It really surprises me that in this day and age, people still believe in mysticism and the occult.

Why?

Because he's a ******* idiot.

 

[txlonghorn]

I am a conservative Christian and I take issue with your broad statements.

First of all, I believe in the sanctity of human life: that means babies(they are NOT fetuses), elderly, and those who have special needs. Abortion is the chicken way out. If you are responsible enough to have unprotected sex, then belly up to the bar and be responsible and have the child. Let it be adopted. Abortion is your drug of convenience to take care of a "problem". It is not the child's fault. It is a scourge on our nation and we are paying for it in spades. Just think 45 million babies aborted--that is 45 million people paying taxes, paying into social security. What about all of the inventors, doctors, lawyers, teachers who have been killed because someone chooses to get pregnant and not be bothered with the responsibility of a baby. God forbid. There again we have raised a generation who have NO idea what personal responsibility means.

I believe as a Christian that the only safe sex is ABSTINENCE. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Does it happen? Yes it does. I also believe that it is the responsibilty of the parents and NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, OR SOME SCHOOL SYSTEM to teach my children about sex.

In a perfect world, I would like for creationism to be taught and that only. However, I have to live in the real world where there are those who love Darwin and his drivel. Why would it be so hard to teach both equally with the same respect? No liberals don't play that way. It is their way or the highway. And the way the school systems look now and the poor quality of MANY teachers, homeschooling is looking pretty good for lots of children and not just in Christian homes either.

As a Christian gay marriage is wrong. Marriage is sanctioned by God and NOT ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE is it suggested between anyone other than 1 man and 1 woman.

Like it or not, our country WAS founded on Judeo-Christian values. It is amazing to me, we have taken God out of everything and yet in Washington D.C. God is everywhere.

I don't understand how the Christians are the intolerant ones and yet the liberals can get away with calling us whatever they would like and paint us as the hate mongers. It is the same old song. One word for them HYPOCRITES.

You're wrong on so many levels. There are many instances of men having multiple wives in the Bible.

Well, wrong on ONE level anyway. You're right about the multiple wives thing...but with a bit of open mindedness, you would be able to see the point trying to be made that marriage is scripturally intended for a man and a woman.

Funny how it mentions MANY instances of man and wife and NEVER mentions man and husband.....just sayin.

 

[momonkey]

The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?

Wow.. where do we begin to debunk this crapola??

They wish to protect innocent human life... whether that life inconveniences you or not

Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage business

Encouraging home schooling as a choice is a bad thing in a free society??

They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing? They wish to teach that no sex is safe sex and that is a bad thing? They don't want a bunch of lefty teachers telling them that sex is OK and right when they are under age, even against the parents wishes, and that is a good thing??

They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof.

They wish to stop harvesting of human lives for scientific research... Last I heard human experimentation was frowned upon when we heard of the experiments of ones such as Mengele

Nobody wants to stop teaching scientific theories such as evolution, or other things. Just not the use of theories to try and offend the beliefs of others, and just to also teach that there are indeed othe rtheories about the emergence of life.

THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually are

Show proof of making living wills illegal as supported by the entire 'christian right'.. we'll be waiting

Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

More phony accusations by you and/or the author as a winger about judges and about a belief of an entire group

Your attempts to justify the various postions involved here, do not change the fact that these ARE positions taken by the Christian right on the vairous issues mentioned.

So where are your links and quotes?

Some anti-religious lame opinion rag by a leftist creep only proves leftist creeps hate anything decent.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Homosexuality in the Bible

 

[☭proletarian☭]

David And Jonathan - The Greatest Human Love Story In The Bible.

 

[Political Junky]

The religious right are the Jerry Falwell's, the MArvin Gormans, the Pat Robertsons, etc. If you ignore them, they are not a part of your life. The left on the other hand have infiltrated the government and are radically trying to regulate every aspect of our lives.

Big difference.

You must have been sleeping. These guys weld enormous political clout and have their hands on all kinds of political appointees.

My concern is how far will the right be allowed to go. Talk of a "Christian Nation" is reminiscent of totalitarian regimes.

 

[Father Time]

I believe as a Christian that the only safe sex is ABSTINENCE. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Does it happen? Yes it does. I also believe that it is the responsibilty of the parents and NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, OR SOME SCHOOL SYSTEM to teach my children about sex.

So then do you take issue with with those who push abstinence only sex ed?

In a perfect world, I would like for creationism to be taught and that only. However, I have to live in the real world where there are those who love Darwin and his drivel. Why would it be so hard to teach both equally with the same respect?

Because evolution is science and creationism isn't.

No liberals don't play that way. It is their way or the highway.

Yeah how dare they not want to corrupt the science curriculum.

As a Christian gay marriage is wrong. Marriage is sanctioned by God and NOT ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE is it suggested between anyone other than 1 man and 1 woman.

Christianity does not own the concept of marriage, although if you really insist how about we kill off every single legal benefit given to married couples? That would make it fair.

Like it or not, our country WAS founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Which is why the Constitution doesn't mention Jesus or Christianity anywhere, and gives you the right violate some of the ten commandments.

It is amazing to me, we have taken God out of everything and yet in Washington D.C. God is everywhere.

How the hell can both of those statements be true?

 

[DiamondDave]

What still gets me is that while a left wing extremist atheist can put full faith in a political system that goes against everything in human nature... but can so easily bash anyone with a faith in a power/God for something more than just mere random existence

And I also love how Nosmo was shut the **** up after I beat his little trick picture question....

 

[Si modo]

About as useful and informative as the "10 traits of Socialists" thread and the "10 Traits of Capitalists" threads.

If this is what dialogue has come to in the country, we're toast.

Very astute of you to catch that - the "10 Traits of Socialists" thread was precisely the inspiration for this thread of mine here.

But it seems to be engendering a fair amount of comment, which is, after all, what this place is (or should be) all about, hey?

As Dr. Traveler said, and it went right over your head, if this is what passes for dialogue, we are toast. Personally, I blame it on the decline of our education system.

 

[Samson]

About as useful and informative as the "10 traits of Socialists" thread and the "10 Traits of Capitalists" threads.

If this is what dialogue has come to in the country, we're toast.

Very astute of you to catch that - the "10 Traits of Socialists" thread was precisely the inspiration for this thread of mine here.

But it seems to be engendering a fair amount of comment, which is, after all, what this place is (or should be) all about, hey?

As Dr. Traveler said, and it went right over your head, if this is what passes for dialogue, we are toast. Personally, I blame it on the decline of our education system.

Personally, I blame the decline in our education system on Message Boards.

 

[Nosmo King]

What still gets me is that while a left wing extremist atheist can put full faith in a political system that goes against everything in human nature... but can so easily bash anyone with a faith in a power/God for something more than just mere random existence

And I also love how Nosmo was shut the **** up after I beat his little trick picture question....

Well, in truth I was not "shut the **** up". I have been considering how well science has given you more cover. Does your position that DNA makes us human extend backwards as well? I mean, before Watson and Crick did their thing, how could one be certain of humanity in embryos?

 

[DiamondDave]

What still gets me is that while a left wing extremist atheist can put full faith in a political system that goes against everything in human nature... but can so easily bash anyone with a faith in a power/God for something more than just mere random existence

And I also love how Nosmo was shut the **** up after I beat his little trick picture question....

Well, in truth I was not "shut the **** up". I have been considering how well science has given you more cover. Does your position that DNA makes us human extend backwards as well? I mean, before Watson and Crick did their thing, how could one be certain of humanity in embryos?

Not like after sex you have a cow embryo growing in mommy's tummy now is it.... pretty easy to ascertain that the result of 2 humans mating is indeed another human... or that the result of the combination of combining a human egg with human sperm results in a human embryo... unless you believe in the complete randomness of the universe where the spontaneous action of particles would make such a random thing as non-human offspring... or if you believe God would play such a cruel joke

 

[Coyote]

There is no doubt that an embryo is a biological human. There is no other species it could be. But just because it is a human doesn't give it value only potential. Until it can survive seperate from the mother, it is part of her and it's rights are less than hers.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Oh and if you want to teach ID then it shouldn't be in science class because it isn't science.

no?....i would think that a "God" would need to know a HELL OF A LOT about Science to create things ...especially living things....try it sometime....see how it goes....

The scientific process is to observe, record, hypothesize, experiment, and validate.

That's the reason Creationism isn't science. It doesn't give me a predicition that I can validate via experimentation. Evolutionary science does, and has had a lot of value in developing new medical technologies.

When creationism makes predictions you can validate through experimentation, it can be considered science.

I think part of the problem in the dialogue is there is confusion over what a theory is. In a science course a theory is an explanation of a phenomenon that makes predictions we can validate by experimental data. A scientific theory need not explain why, or how, but what something will do.

For example, Kepler's theories on planetary motion, while unpopular with TPTB in his time, fit the experimental data. Kepler himself had absolutely no idea WHY the planents moved in elliptical orbits with varying velocities that allowed planets to cut out equal are arcs in equal time periods, but he knew it worked and made predictions you could verify with experimentation. And his work went on to enable accurate predictions of astronomical phenomenon and create better calendars.

Creationsim is more akin to theorems in Mathematics. In Mathematics, theorems are structured as If (Hypothesis) then (Result), with little care about whether the hypothesis need every actually occur. The emphasis is on the logical reasoning that allows you to go from the Hypothesis, and any underlying axioms, to the result.

As a Mathematical theorem, Creationism holds together. As a Scientific theorem, it doesn't qualify for the name.

 

[Nosmo King]

But the origin of mankind is the question here. Let the cosmos rest tonight. Do you believe mankind was formed whole and complete as we recognize each other today, or did we evolve, the same way other species have evolved, down through the ages?

Or, do you take the entire Bible literally. And I mean literally.

I know how beautifully the Bible is written. But I know it was written millenia before. I embrace it as the rock of my belief in God, but not as a textbook.

I guess the question is, are you too proud to think of yourself as a mammal, or are you above that classification? I'm not being flippant here. Because if we are mammals, surely we are subject to the same forces which evolved our fellow mammals.

Darwin does not exclude God. The same as Galileo did not exclude God. It's a matter of dogma versus curiosity and discovery. I'll bet on curiosity and discovery every day. We saw how the Dark Ages worked out compared to the Renaissance.

Do you believe mankind was formed whole and complete as we recognize each other today, or did we evolve, the same way other species have evolved, down through the ages?

Or, do you take the entire Bible literally. And I mean literally.

I know how beautifully the Bible is written. But I know it was written millenia before. I embrace it as the rock of my belief in God, but not as a textbook.

It's a question I cannot answer with certainty...as if I knew the image of God. As the scripture reads...man was created in God's image. Some say that the image of God isn't a reference to an appearance, but more the spirit of Him. So, I don't know. Not sure why it would be that we couldn't have been created in the form we are today, unless it's just to support the evolution process. I guess we could have been monkeys at one time...but why not just become the planet of the apes? Why the necessity to evolve and co-exist with primates today?

I can't say that I take the entire Bible literally. There are many parts that are open to interpretation.

Then could it be that the part that says man was created in the image of God is one of those parts that is open to interpretation? And if there is such an opening, why should that part be taught as if it were true science?

Evolution is a theory that seems to be hard to wrap your mind around if all you are willing to believe is the Biblical story. Many Creationists take the false view that apes and mankind are on the same straight path of evolution and therefore the theory is invalid. Why are there still apes if primates evolve?

Well, understanding the dynamics of evolution involves understanding the process not as linear, but much more diverse. Like the branches of a tree. They splay out in every direction.

 

[DiamondDave]

There is no doubt that an embryo is a biological human. There is no other species it could be. But just because it is a human doesn't give it value only potential. Until it can survive seperate from the mother, it is part of her and it's rights are less than hers.

If it were only a part of her it would only have her genetic signature

Same argument could be used that since someone is a loser non-contributing asshole, even though they are human that only have potential and not value... we should eliminate them too?? Or a person in a vegetative coma?? Only potential and totally dependent on others for survival... Take them out too??