The painful truth about Ahmaud Arberry

[NotfooledbyW]

How do you know conclusively that there was no "struggle" for the gun before the first shot was fired?

The shadows, half a second, AA’s first wound to the chest, plus agent Dial’s testimony prove conclusively there was no struggle for the gun before the first shot.

The SHADOWS (assumed truck is facing west):
#1 We last see AA’s back as he comes around the front of the v truck - his direction is approximately south west.

#2 we see a long extended object between the upper body shadows of the two men. That has to be a fully raised barrel of the shotgun pointed in the vicinity of AA’s upper body.. We know it is a fact that TM had possession of the shotgun when this frame is frozen and it’s the only long object that either man possessed

# 3 is an image between image #1 and 2. This proves TM was on an attack maneuver because he deliberately put himself in a blocking position to be set in preparation for AA coming towards him around the passenger side of the truck. It makes no sense to deliberately get that close to making physical contact wth AA, with the shotgun pointed at the ground.

HALF A SECOND is too little time for there to be a struggle for the gun. The time from frame #1 to #2 is as long as it takes to say ‘ONE THOUS.......” when you are counting off the seconds.And the first shot is fired .

AA’s first wound is consistent with the shadow evidence that the gun was already aimed at AA as he came around the front of the truck.

Agent Dial’s testimony sums it all up. The struggle comes AFTER the first shot was fired.

Ahmaud Artery Trial Transcript: June 4 Preliminary Hearings - Rev

Richard Dial: (52:29) After the first shot, again, you see a struggle between Travis McMichael and Mr. Arbery


Add to all of that TM told police that he shot AA when AA “squared up” as if to attack.,


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Under questioning by Jason Sheffield, an attorney for Travis McMichael, Dial said Travis told police he raised his shotgun at Arbery from roughly 90 feet (27 meters) away and told him to stop and get on the ground.
That’s when Arbery ran around the passenger side of Travis’ truck, and the two men met in front of it.
Dial said Travis told police Arbery “squared up” like he was going to attack.
He said Travis then fired the first shot into Arbery’s chest.”

IF THERE WAS A CLOSE CONTACT STRUGGLE DURING THAT ONE SECOND WHEN BOTH MEN CAN ONLY BE SEEN AS SHADOWS ON THE PAVEMENT THERE WOUID NOT BE TWO DISTINCT AND SEPARATED UPPER BODY SHADOWS MOVING IN A SOUTHWEST DIRECTION SEEN ON THE VIDEO RECORDING AS THE FIRST SHOT WAS FIRED.

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

It's unlikely any other case in recent history has inspired more misinformation as media Outlets clearly have an incentive to racialize and dramatized every incident that comes their way

the simple fact is arberry was a well-known local Petty Criminal who was caught casing out a house that had suffered a string of recent burglaries and fled like a thief when he was confronted by the neighbor

The McMichaels weren't a couple of hillbillies sitting on their front porch downing canned beer when an innocent black jogger happened by

they are BOTH former professional law enforcement agents who recognized the local Petty Criminal hauling ass up the street from the video Larry English had captured after installing a security system and no trespassing sign due to the burglaries and may have been alerted by the first neighbor who had called 911 when he saw arberry illegally enter the crime scene and subsequently bolt when he realized he'd been caught

Per Georgia law they armed themselves and engaged in a Pursuit while on the phone with 911 and continued to relay the criminals position to the responding officers

At one point Arberry decided he was going to attack the McMichaels and ran towards Travis grabbing his shotgun and punching him in the face numerous times committing a felony assault

In fact it was so obvious a simple self-defense shooting that they couldn't even determine whether or not Travis had pulled the trigger intentionally or not as when an attacking person is pulling on a long gun it is perfectly plausible that they themselves set the fire arm off

The notion that a couple of vigilante Hillbillies set upon an innocent black jogger and gunned him down in the street is a complete joke

The fact is Arberry committed a crime by entering a residence with a no trespassing sign and then bolted when confronted thus providing reasonable suspicion that he was in fact the person they recognized from the videos and a prior encounter Travis had with him. In fact Gregory McMichael knew arberry because he had worked on one of his previous crimes

It's absolutely hilarious that mainstream media Outlets can get away with a false narrative and an edited video designed to convince people that these two men are bloodthirsty murderers who decided to hunt down an innocent black jogger, if they had planned to murder a jogger they certainly wouldn't have used a shotgun with a less-lethal round then is a available at Walmart to do so.

It certainly is a shame that businesses who have suffered damage due to riots can't sue these media outlets for false information leading to the violence and destruction that has crippled their

You know what though? In every other civilised country, if Arberry was indeed casing the house - and he might have been - he might have been followed by unarmed civilians, the cops called and justice would have been done if found guilty. Only in the US, where people have this cowboy mentality of arming themselves and thinking they are Big Man on Campus, does this shit happen.

If some alien had spent two or three years studying each country in the world and landed on the planet and was given this scenario without telling them the country it happened in, then asked "What country do you think this happened?' they'd likely mention some African or South American shithole country, or some Asian cesspit like the Philippines. Not the USA. How does it feel to put in the same sentence as countries that don't follow due process but act like cowboys?

in a country where Firearms are legal cheap and highly accessible it would be absolutely insane to pursue a criminal suspect unarmed

in fact it would be absolutely stupid

The McMichaels were both professional law enforcement agents with a high level of skill and training so they weren't stupid enough to persue a potentially dangerous criminal completely unarmed and had they not pursued him he could have run off into the sunset and escaped identification yet again thus free to continue terrorizing the neighborhood with his crime spree

in the arrest of Richard Ramirez where the good citizens of Southern California identified a suspect who hadn't committed a crime in their presence who fled under confrontation thus giving everyone in his periphery reasonable suspicion that he had committed a crime

while in the action of pursuit if someone criminally attacks a citizen it's perfectly reasonable for you to defend yourself

It has nothing to do with Macho cowboy gun culture it has everything to do with protecting your neighborhood from criminals as is your right

If I see a man jumping out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 in the morning who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic it's perfectly reasonable for me to grab my pistol and chase after him and if he decides to attack me it's perfectly reasonable to defend myself

It has nothing to do with "Macho cowboy guns"

just a decent human being doing the right thing to protect his neighborhood because if you don't crime will flourish and you will be the next victem

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

How do you know conclusively that there was no "struggle" for the gun before the first shot was fired?

The shadows, half a second, AA’s first wound to the chest, plus agent Dial’s testimony prove conclusively there was no struggle for the gun before the first shot.

The SHADOWS (assumed truck is facing west):
#1 We last see AA’s back as he comes around the front of the v truck - his direction is approximately south west.
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#2 we see a long extended object between the upper body shadows of the two men. That has to be a fully raised barrel of the shotgun pointed in the vicinity of AA’s upper body.. We know it is a fact that TM had possession of the shotgun when this frame is frozen and it’s the only long object that either man possessed
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# 3 is an image between image #1 and 2. This proves TM was on an attack maneuver because he deliberately put himself in a blocking position to be set in preparation for AA coming towards him around the passenger side of the truck. It makes no sense to deliberately get that close to making physical contact wth AA, with the shotgun pointed at the ground.
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HALF A SECOND is too little time for there to be a struggle for the gun. The time from frame #1 to #2 is as long as it takes to say ‘ONE THOUS.......” when you are counting off the seconds.And the first shot is fired .

AA’s first wound is consistent with the shadow evidence that the gun was already aimed at AA as he came around the front of the truck.

Agent Dial’s testimony sums it all up. The struggle comes AFTER the first shot was fired.

Ahmaud Artery Trial Transcript: June 4 Preliminary Hearings - Rev

Richard Dial: (52:29) After the first shot, again, you see a struggle between Travis McMichael and Mr. Arbery


Add to all of that TM told police that he shot AA when AA “squared up” as if to attack.,


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Under questioning by Jason Sheffield, an attorney for Travis McMichael, Dial said Travis told police he raised his shotgun at Arbery from roughly 90 feet (27 meters) away and told him to stop and get on the ground.
That’s when Arbery ran around the passenger side of Travis’ truck, and the two men met in front of it.
Dial said Travis told police Arbery “squared up” like he was going to attack.
He said Travis then fired the first shot into Arbery’s chest.”

IF THERE WAS A CLOSE CONTACT STRUGGLE DURING THAT ONE SECOND WHEN BOTH MEN CAN ONLY BE SEEN AS SHADOWS ON THE PAVEMENT THERE WOUID NOT BE TWO DISTINCT AND SEPARATED UPPER BODY SHADOWS MOVING IN A SOUTHWEST DIRECTION SEEN ON THE VIDEO RECORDING AS THE FIRST SHOT WAS FIRED.

You can clearly see the muzzle blast of the shotgun in the upper right-hand portion of this video proving it was fired from a low position upward


The shotgun was not shouldered and aimed properly or the blast would have been lateral or downward.... this blast came at a 45 degree upward proving it wasn't an aimed shot

By simply walking to the front of the engine block Travis McMichael "cut the pie" on Maude and Maude got mad and rushed Travis

The threat of imminent attack is plenty of reason to pull the trigger, you don't actually need to have your hand on the gun or be in contact with someone for them to defend themselves

The autopsy and the video combined prove that Maude was trying to forcibly remove the firearm when he was shot

you're only allowed to use violence and in a self-defense situation when you have no means of Escape and Maude had plenty of opportunity to escape... you're not allowed to attack someone just because you're scared of them, they have to actually have threatened you with great bodily harm and there's absolutely no evidence that the McMichaels threatened arberry in a criminal way

had they drove up in a truck and gunned him down as he was running away as the media tried so desperately to suggest the forensic evidence would prove that he was shot in the back or the side or had defensive wounds on his hands

the wounds on his hands were indicative that he was trying to grab the gun not trying to protect himself, it's very simple science

not only did Travis never aim the gun at him he had a load in his gun less powerful than what was available at your local neighborhood Walmart proving he had no intention to go murdering joggers that day but was simply forced to defend himself when a crazy person who was on probation for crimes attacked him in a desperate attempt to escape the police

maude didn't peaceably surrender because he knew he'd be going to jail when the cops arrived since he was a notorious criminal on parole caught casing out someone's house for burglary

Richard dial is literally paid to put the McMichaels away

His job is to spin all the evidence in a way that makes them look guilty to a jury

even though he's a professional liar he's still not very good at it... one can clearly see his normal demeanor crack and he becomes a babbling idiot when he tries to suggest the Travis McMichael actually pointed the shotgun directly at maude

we know from the forensic evidence witness testimony and the video this is completely false

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You can clearly see the muzzle blast of the shotgun in the upper right-hand portion of this video

you are full of shit as explained earlier.

If what you claim is a shotgun blast then TM SHOT AA before he made it around the truck.

do you understand that the blast mist would not be visible until AFTER TM pulls the trigger.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

By simply walking to the front of the engine block Travis McMichael "cut the pie" on Maude and Maude got mad and rushed Travis

If TM repositioned himself to the ‘front of the engine block cutting the pie’ as you claim we would have seen his feet.

how do you explain not seeing his feet or a foot from under the truck in the image above?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

By simply walking to the front of the engine block

Was that “walk” a total distance of three feet as has been your claim for months? And how do you know he walked? We can’t see that movement in the video.

why do you lie all the time?

 

[Muhammed]

someone who's running

So now he's not jogging, he's running.

Why would the criminal be running?

 

[Canon Shooter]

someone who's running

So now he's not jogging, he's running.

Why would the criminal be running?

Running, jogging. Six of one, half dozen of the other...

 

[Dr Grump]

in a country where Firearms are legal cheap and highly accessible it would be absolutely insane to pursue a criminal suspect unarmed

in fact it would be absolutely stupid

The McMichaels were both professional law enforcement agents with a high level of skill and training so they weren't stupid enough to persue a potentially dangerous criminal completely unarmed and had they not pursued him he could have run off into the sunset and escaped identification yet again thus free to continue terrorizing the neighborhood with his crime spree

in the arrest of Richard Ramirez where the good citizens of Southern California identified a suspect who hadn't committed a crime in their presence who fled under confrontation thus giving everyone in his periphery reasonable suspicion that he had committed a crime

while in the action of pursuit if someone criminally attacks a citizen it's perfectly reasonable for you to defend yourself

It has nothing to do with Macho cowboy gun culture it has everything to do with protecting your neighborhood from criminals as is your right

If I see a man jumping out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 in the morning who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic it's perfectly reasonable for me to grab my pistol and chase after him and if he decides to attack me it's perfectly reasonable to defend myself

It has nothing to do with "Macho cowboy guns"

just a decent human being doing the right thing to protect his neighborhood because if you don't crime will flourish and you will be the next victem

And that is the difference between our cultures I guess. The US love of guns becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when you have some many gun deaths in the country.

Burglaries are not 'terrorising' any neighbourhood. Are they annoying? Yes. Do they cause you problems with insurance? Yes.

That aside, there is absolutely no evidence of Aubery doing anything wrong other than looking at a construction site.

The McMichaels are no longer law enforcement officers, and comparing a man jumping out a daughter's window at 4am in the morning is disingenuous. What do you do for an encore, cite a guy jay walking and compare them to the Sandy Hook murderer?

IMO, the pursuit is also a criminal act if not warranted. So who is in the right, the person who is being unjustly pursued? Is the person being unjustly pursued also allowed to defend themselves?

It's a slippery slope IMO.

 

[Canon Shooter]

you're only allowed to use violence and in a self-defense situation when you have no means of Escape and Maude had plenty of opportunity to escape...

And so did Pudge. He should've run when Arbery started towards him.

He didn't and, as such, bears full responsibility for the death of Arbery...

not only did Travis never aim the gun at him he had a load in his gun less powerful than what was available at your local neighborhood Walmart proving he had no intention to go murdering joggers that day

So, if I shot you a dozen times in the chest with a .22, I would be exonerated by the simple fact that Walmart also sells .38 ammunition?

Good to know...

Richard dial is literally paid to put the McMichaels away

His job is to spin all the evidence in a way that makes them look guilty to a jury

No, his job is to give an honest assessment of the evidence as he sees it. You're just pissed because he also understands that this was murder...

even though he's a professional liar he's still not very good at it... one can clearly see his normal demeanor crack and he becomes a babbling idiot when he tries to suggest the Travis McMichael actually pointed the shotgun directly at maude

Yeah, he's so bad at it that your wannabe Klan heroes are still in jail and, in all likelihood, will die there before ever seeing another day of freedom...

 

[Muhammed]

.. We know it is a fact that TM had possession of the shotgun when this frame is frozen and it’s the only long object that either man possessed
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Both of them have arms (aka long objects). Neither of them was an amputee.

 

[Muhammed]

The shotgun was not shouldered and aimed properly or the blast would have been lateral

The autopsy report said it was lateral, going from left to right. So obviously Redbeard was crouched down the moment the first shot was fired because you can see the top of his cap through the windshield at the same level as Gump's shoulder.

I think it hit Gump in the right chest and possibly in the right wrist too. It's also possible that the first shot only hit Gump's right wrist and splattered blood on his shirt.

The second shot is off-camera too, but you can see that sometime between the first and second shot Gump's shirt may have been soiled.

And the third shot severed Gump's auxiliary artery and vein. That's not survivable.

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

You can clearly see the muzzle blast of the shotgun in the upper right-hand portion of this video

you are full of shit as explained earlier.

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If what you claim is a shotgun blast then TM SHOT AA before he made it around the truck.

do you understand that the blast mist would not be visible until AFTER TM pulls the trigger.

The shotgun blast is clearly visible well after Maude turns the 90-degree corner and attacks Travis McMichael... all your silly arrows in shadow puppets aren't going to dig you out of this one, everyone can literally see it in slow motion

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

By simply walking to the front of the engine block Travis McMichael "cut the pie" on Maude and Maude got mad and rushed Travis

If TM repositioned himself to the ‘front of the engine block cutting the pie’ as you claim we would have seen his feet.
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how do you explain not seeing his feet or a foot from under the truck in the image above?

What on Earth are you trying to prove with your Shadow puppet obsession?

We already know you're trying to suggest that Travis McMichael shot maude before crazy train made his final assault even though it's clearly depicted in the slow motion on the video

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

By simply walking to the front of the engine block

Was that “walk” a total distance of three feet as has been your claim for months? And how do you know he walked? We can’t see that movement in the video.

why do you lie all the time?

The total distance traveled from the driver side to the front of the truck is about 3 or 4 ft

it's completely irrelevant whether he walked scampered hopped or cartwheeled

you're obsessed with getting us off the topics that really have a bearing on the criminal case like the fact that Travis never pointed a gun at maude even when he was being rushed

that's why the blast emanated from a low angle because he never even had a chance to aim his weapon

You can't predict crazy and rushing two men with guns is about as crazy as crazy can get

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

in a country where Firearms are legal cheap and highly accessible it would be absolutely insane to pursue a criminal suspect unarmed

in fact it would be absolutely stupid

The McMichaels were both professional law enforcement agents with a high level of skill and training so they weren't stupid enough to persue a potentially dangerous criminal completely unarmed and had they not pursued him he could have run off into the sunset and escaped identification yet again thus free to continue terrorizing the neighborhood with his crime spree

in the arrest of Richard Ramirez where the good citizens of Southern California identified a suspect who hadn't committed a crime in their presence who fled under confrontation thus giving everyone in his periphery reasonable suspicion that he had committed a crime

while in the action of pursuit if someone criminally attacks a citizen it's perfectly reasonable for you to defend yourself

It has nothing to do with Macho cowboy gun culture it has everything to do with protecting your neighborhood from criminals as is your right

If I see a man jumping out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 in the morning who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic it's perfectly reasonable for me to grab my pistol and chase after him and if he decides to attack me it's perfectly reasonable to defend myself

It has nothing to do with "Macho cowboy guns"

just a decent human being doing the right thing to protect his neighborhood because if you don't crime will flourish and you will be the next victem

And that is the difference between our cultures I guess. The US love of guns becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when you have some many gun deaths in the country.

Burglaries are not 'terrorising' any neighbourhood. Are they annoying? Yes. Do they cause you problems with insurance? Yes.

That aside, there is absolutely no evidence of Aubery doing anything wrong other than looking at a construction site.

The McMichaels are no longer law enforcement officers, and comparing a man jumping out a daughter's window at 4am in the morning is disingenuous. What do you do for an encore, cite a guy jay walking and compare them to the Sandy Hook murderer?

IMO, the pursuit is also a criminal act if not warranted. So who is in the right, the person who is being unjustly pursued? Is the person being unjustly pursued also allowed to defend themselves?

It's a slippery slope IMO.

It's not a slippery slope at all

maude was terrorizing the neighborhood by sneaking around in the shadows and being the primary suspect in a whole host of criminal activity in the neighborhood as was reported on the Satilla Shores Facebook group

Remember Larry English was very aggressive in his desire to prosecute Maude before he was receiving death threats

Since time immemorial if you come into someone's settlement and get caught poking around in sensitive areas you're going to be confronted and if you flee you will be pursued and if you attack in an effort to escape you may get hurt

People in any given neighborhood have the right to identify someone who is doing something suspicious

by advocating for an experienced criminal from a criminal family who did criminal things that incited pursuit and did yet more criminal things to escape you become part of the problem

a legitimate news headline on this scenario should have been "a local Petty criminal was shot when he attacked two former professional law enforcement agents who confronted him for trespassing in a neighbor's property"

"it was reported this young man was diagnosed with a mental condition as he was hearing voices and had an extensive criminal history including weapon possession and Theft"

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Both of them have arms (aka long objects). Neither of them was an amputee.

Are you saying TM raised his arm and made a finger gun and pointed it at AA saying bang bang? And AA made one back and it scared the shit so much out of TM he raised the real gun and shot AA with it?

I dont think half a second is enough time for all that so you are still a lying racist dumbass.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The total distance traveled from the driver side to the front of the truck is about 3 or 4 ft

you are an idiot. When The truck is assumed facing west. TM’s original position as AA jogged toward him was east of the drivers side front door that was open. he’s about 3 feet east of the door in the middle of the east bound lane. That’s four feet south of centerline.

We Know from the shadows that TM went to the west bound lane and ended up somewhere close to the middle of the westbound lane. From the shadows TM ended up at least 5 feet west of the front bumper. In the middle of the westbound lane.

3 Ft to get past the open door . 6 ft to get past the front bumper. Another 6 ft to get west of the bumper. another 10 ft to get from the middle of the east bound lane to the middle of the west bound lane where he shot AA in the chest.

That’s 25 ft. 20 ft if he ran on an angle out in front of the truck.

You are an idiot if you think this distance is 4 ft.

 

[Dr Grump]

in a country where Firearms are legal cheap and highly accessible it would be absolutely insane to pursue a criminal suspect unarmed

in fact it would be absolutely stupid

The McMichaels were both professional law enforcement agents with a high level of skill and training so they weren't stupid enough to persue a potentially dangerous criminal completely unarmed and had they not pursued him he could have run off into the sunset and escaped identification yet again thus free to continue terrorizing the neighborhood with his crime spree

in the arrest of Richard Ramirez where the good citizens of Southern California identified a suspect who hadn't committed a crime in their presence who fled under confrontation thus giving everyone in his periphery reasonable suspicion that he had committed a crime

while in the action of pursuit if someone criminally attacks a citizen it's perfectly reasonable for you to defend yourself

It has nothing to do with Macho cowboy gun culture it has everything to do with protecting your neighborhood from criminals as is your right

If I see a man jumping out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 in the morning who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic it's perfectly reasonable for me to grab my pistol and chase after him and if he decides to attack me it's perfectly reasonable to defend myself

It has nothing to do with "Macho cowboy guns"

just a decent human being doing the right thing to protect his neighborhood because if you don't crime will flourish and you will be the next victem

And that is the difference between our cultures I guess. The US love of guns becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when you have some many gun deaths in the country.

Burglaries are not 'terrorising' any neighbourhood. Are they annoying? Yes. Do they cause you problems with insurance? Yes.

That aside, there is absolutely no evidence of Aubery doing anything wrong other than looking at a construction site.

The McMichaels are no longer law enforcement officers, and comparing a man jumping out a daughter's window at 4am in the morning is disingenuous. What do you do for an encore, cite a guy jay walking and compare them to the Sandy Hook murderer?

IMO, the pursuit is also a criminal act if not warranted. So who is in the right, the person who is being unjustly pursued? Is the person being unjustly pursued also allowed to defend themselves?

It's a slippery slope IMO.

It's not a slippery slope at all

maude was terrorizing the neighborhood by sneaking around in the shadows and being the primary suspect in a whole host of criminal activity in the neighborhood as was reported on the Satilla Shores Facebook group

Remember Larry English was very aggressive in his desire to prosecute Maude before he was receiving death threats

Since time immemorial if you come into someone's settlement and get caught poking around in sensitive areas you're going to be confronted and if you flee you will be pursued and if you attack in an effort to escape you may get hurt

People in any given neighborhood have the right to identify someone who is doing something suspicious

by advocating for an experienced criminal from a criminal family who did criminal things that incited pursuit and did yet more criminal things to escape you become part of the problem

a legitimate news headline on this scenario should have been "a local Petty criminal was shot when he attacked two former professional law enforcement agents who confronted him for trespassing in a neighbor's property"

"it was reported this young man was diagnosed with a mental condition as he was hearing voices and had an extensive criminal history including weapon possession and Theft"

All you have written is opinion and BS. Not many facts in there, which is why the McMichaels are going to prison. For a long time.

Where are your links and evidence to your opinions?

Yeah, thought so...

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Travis never pointed a gun at maude even when he was being rushed

You are a racist and a liar. The video does not show every move that TM made after he got out of the truck with his shotgun. So you are lying when you say that. But we do see TM aim the shotgun at AA’s feet.