The painful truth about Ahmaud Arberry

[Muhammed]

"standing your ground," doesn’t literally mean standing in one spot on the ground.

What does it mean to you?

 

[Muhammed]

Both of them have arms (aka long objects). Neither of them was an amputee.

Are you saying TM raised his arm and made a finger gun and pointed it at AA saying bang bang?

No.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What on Earth are you trying to prove with your Shadow puppet obsession?

I am proving that you and Muhammed are liars.

“how do you explain not seeing his feet or a foot from under the truck in the image above?”

Its why you cannot explain what Muhammed can’t explain either?

IF THERE WAS A CLOSE CONTACT STRUGGLE DURING THAT ONE SECOND WHEN BOTH MEN CAN ONLY BE SEEN AS SHADOWS ON THE PAVEMENT THERE WOULD NOT BE TWO DISTINCT AND SEPARATED UPPER BODY SHADOWS MOVING IN A SOUTHWEST DIRECTION SEEN ON THE VIDEO RECORDING AS THE FIRST SHOT WAS FIRED.

#2 we see a long extended object between the upper body shadows of the two men. That has to be a fully raised barrel of the shotgun pointed in the vicinity of AA’s upper body.

how do you explain not seeing his feet or a foot from under the truck in the image above?

 

[SavannahMann]

"standing your ground," doesn’t literally mean standing in one spot on the ground.

What does it mean to you?

Stand your ground does not apply. For it presumes that the individual standing has done nothing to instigate the altercation. If you were on the street. Awaiting the arrival of a friend. And were accosted by a miscreant. Then Stand Your Ground would be appropriate. It is in fact the very reason they passed such laws.

Travis was not standing his ground. Either by text or by intent of the statute. The defense of Stand your Ground would not be allowed if it was offered. And should not be.

Travis is facing a lifetime in prison for his crimes. And in Georgia we know he commuted those crimes. By the collective standard that is our understanding of Georgia Norms and laws, Travis is the criminal. That is why he remains in Jail awaiting Trial. That is why he was denied bail, as were the co-defendants.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

So obviously Redbeard was crouched down the moment the first shot was fired because you can see the top of his cap through the windshield at the same level as Gump's shoulder.

You ignorant racist. When TM’s cap and AA’s shoulder are seen through the windshield at the same level it is not because TM in a crouched position.

KingGUERRILLA ‘s

REMEMBER THiS?

The cap and the shoulder apoear to be at the same level because in the image TM is farther from the camera than AA is at that moment. KingGUERRILLA says the first shot is fired.

SEE THE TELEPHONE POLES..

Do you think the distant poles are crouching?

How do you imagine a punch to the head while simultaneous grabbing the gun causing it to go off unless AA!s arms are seven feet long?

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

"standing your ground," doesn’t literally mean standing in one spot on the ground.

What does it mean to you?

Stand your ground does not apply. For it presumes that the individual standing has done nothing to instigate the altercation. If you were on the street. Awaiting the arrival of a friend. And were accosted by a miscreant. Then Stand Your Ground would be appropriate. It is in fact the very reason they passed such laws.

Travis was not standing his ground. Either by text or by intent of the statute. The defense of Stand your Ground would not be allowed if it was offered. And should not be.

Travis is facing a lifetime in prison for his crimes. And in Georgia we know he commuted those crimes. By the collective standard that is our understanding of Georgia Norms and laws, Travis is the criminal. That is why he remains in Jail awaiting Trial. That is why he was denied bail, as were the co-defendants.

translation; by chasing a criminal you provoked them and are automatically liable to be attacked

from now on never chase someone you suspect of committing a crime and you won't have to worry about provoking them to commit an act of violence

Of course the next time an undercover cop is chasing someone they can turn around and kill him by claiming his Chase provoked their violence of action

good job boys

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

So obviously Redbeard was crouched down the moment the first shot was fired because you can see the top of his cap through the windshield at the same level as Gump's shoulder.

You ignorant racist. When TM’s cap and AA’s shoulder are seen through the windshield at the same level it is not because TM in a crouched position.

KingGUERRILLA ‘s

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REMEMBER THiS?
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The cap and the shoulder apoear to be at the same level because in the image TM is farther from the camera than AA is at that moment. KingGUERRILLA says the first shot is fired.

SEE THE TELEPHONE POLES..

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How do you imagine a punch to the head while simultaneous grabbing the gun causing it to go off unless AA!s arms are seven feet long?

Are you desperate to suggest that Travis McMichael ran in front of Maude thus cut off his "path of Escape"

...is that what this is all about???

He must have been "imprisoned" by his fear right?

LOL

 

[SavannahMann]

"standing your ground," doesn’t literally mean standing in one spot on the ground.

What does it mean to you?

Stand your ground does not apply. For it presumes that the individual standing has done nothing to instigate the altercation. If you were on the street. Awaiting the arrival of a friend. And were accosted by a miscreant. Then Stand Your Ground would be appropriate. It is in fact the very reason they passed such laws.

Travis was not standing his ground. Either by text or by intent of the statute. The defense of Stand your Ground would not be allowed if it was offered. And should not be.

Travis is facing a lifetime in prison for his crimes. And in Georgia we know he commuted those crimes. By the collective standard that is our understanding of Georgia Norms and laws, Travis is the criminal. That is why he remains in Jail awaiting Trial. That is why he was denied bail, as were the co-defendants.

translation; by chasing a criminal you provoked them and are automatically liable to be attacked

from now on never chase someone you suspect of committing a crime and you won't have to worry about provoking them to commit an act of violence

Of course the next time an undercover cop is chasing someone they can turn around and kill him by claiming his Chase provoked their violence of action

good job boys

I did not discuss Self Defense. That has been covered previously. I answered the question concerning Stand Your Ground. Or do you deny that the intent of stand your ground was when a victim was attacked without provocation by a criminal?

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

"standing your ground," doesn’t literally mean standing in one spot on the ground.

What does it mean to you?

Stand your ground does not apply. For it presumes that the individual standing has done nothing to instigate the altercation. If you were on the street. Awaiting the arrival of a friend. And were accosted by a miscreant. Then Stand Your Ground would be appropriate. It is in fact the very reason they passed such laws.

Travis was not standing his ground. Either by text or by intent of the statute. The defense of Stand your Ground would not be allowed if it was offered. And should not be.

Travis is facing a lifetime in prison for his crimes. And in Georgia we know he commuted those crimes. By the collective standard that is our understanding of Georgia Norms and laws, Travis is the criminal. That is why he remains in Jail awaiting Trial. That is why he was denied bail, as were the co-defendants.

translation; by chasing a criminal you provoked them and are automatically liable to be attacked

from now on never chase someone you suspect of committing a crime and you won't have to worry about provoking them to commit an act of violence

Of course the next time an undercover cop is chasing someone they can turn around and kill him by claiming his Chase provoked their violence of action

good job boys

I did not discuss Self Defense. That has been covered previously. I answered the question concerning Stand Your Ground. Or do you deny that the intent of stand your ground was when a victim was attacked without provocation by a criminal?

Stand your ground is designed to determine who was the aggressor

In any given incident when there is plenty of opportunity to retreat and someone actually covers ground in an effort to engage another party it's pretty clear who the aggressor is

By providing legal protection to those who do not cover ground in an effort to confront another individual you give Society a chance to do the right thing

For instance if arberry were actually jogging and two murderous klansman pulled up in a pickup truck pointing weapons at him and screaming "I'm going to kill NIGG*ER" then it would be perfectly reasonable for him to pull a gun and kill both of them as he would have no duty to retreat and a legitimate fear of great bodily harm or death

That's why citizen's arrest is such a dangerous thing to do because the person who you're trying to detain has a lot of opportunity to kill you

Trouble for you social justice fantasy Warriors is the fact that the McMichaels were sitting still having given up their Pursuit when they were closed on confronted and subsequently attacked

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

At the end of the day when you see an individual running out of your neighbor's property it's perfectly reasonable for you to suspect some crime has been committed

It's also perfectly reasonable that you pursue the individual in an effort to relay their location to law enforcement and identify them

It's also perfectly reasonable for you to defend yourself if that person commits an act of violence in an effort to escape your Pursuit

Had the McMichaels actually grabbed maude and at least pointed weapons at him while he was running away in an effort to intimidate him then you social justice fantasy Warriors would have a case but none of that happened so you don't

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Are you desperate to suggest that Travis McMichael ran in front of Maude thus cut off his "path of Escape"

I’m not “suggesting” you ignorant lying racist. That is what the video evidence shows.

Assuming the truck faces west.
When TM sees AA swerve to avoid him TM takes an aggressive westward and northward path (red arrows) to be positioned ahead of AA once again. When AA arrives at the front of the truck he swerved to get back on the pavement. He is facing southwest at that moment. TM is facing Northeast. A collision is imminent. Within half a second the gun is fired. AA is wounded in the lower chest. After the shot TM retreats backwards with AA in pursuit attempting to get the gun that was a split second before fired at him. Both men move in a southwest direction thus coming back into view of the camera.

The evidence does not place TM directly south of the left front wheel as is Your claim about slicing the pie. That is impossible when you say the first shot is fired:

The shadows do not allow that position to be true.

TM is west of the truck and retreating southwest in this frame. AA shadow is hidden by the differential..

TM is not within six feet of any part of the truck in this image.

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

. When AA arrives at the front of the truck he swerved to get back on the pavement. He is facing southwest at that moment. TM is facing Northeast. A collision is imminent

Arberry was a competent football player not a train LOL

he didn't "swerve to get back on the road" he made a rapid 90degree turn to suprise attack travis in front of the truck

look at the ankle in this photo...thats a rapid change of direction

travis didnt shoot him as he appeared simply jogging from the side of the truck or he would have been hit in the SIDE or the BACK

he was shot SQUARE IN THE CHEST from a low angle proving he was charging a man who was unprepared to discharge his weapon

if he was afraid of the gun and panicked thats too bad but if he kept running in a STRAIGHT LINE past the mcmichels he could still be fleeing while black today

 

[NotfooledbyW]

he didn't "swerve to get back on the road" he made a rapid 90degree turn to suprise attack travis in front of the truck

You are a liar. No one can see a 90 turn on the video.

That is a fact.

where do you place TM as AA comes to the right side headlight of the truck?

The video evidence based on shadows puts TM at the black X when you claim the first shot was fired. That means AA turns a 45 angle to be facing TM directly as he rounds the truck. In less than half a second he is shot squarely in the chest.

You say TM was standing still at the red X.

Where is your video evidence that he was there when the first shot was fired?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

he was shot SQUARE IN THE CHEST from a low angle

That is a lie. And you cannot provide video evidence that supports your lie. There shotgun is not visible when you say it went off.

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

he didn't "swerve to get back on the road" he made a rapid 90degree turn to suprise attack travis in front of the truck

You are a liar. No one can see a 90 turn on the video.

That is a fact.

where do you place TM as AA comes to the right side headlight of the truck?

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The video evidence based on shadows puts TM at the black X when you claim the first shot was fired. That means AA turns a 45 angle to be facing TM directly as he rounds the truck. In less than half a second he is shot squarely in the chest.

You say TM was standing still at the red X.

Where is your video evidence that he was there when the first shit was fired?

LOL @45 degrees

as if any of that crap matters!!!

Arberry changed direction to attack

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

he was shot SQUARE IN THE CHEST from a low angle

That is a lie. And you cannot provide video evidence that supports your lie. There shotgun is not visible when you say it went off.
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You don't need to see the shotgun all you have to do is look at the trajectory of the blast dumbass

travis never even had a chance to shoulder the weapon because arberry attacked so quickly

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Trouble for you social justice fantasy Warriors is the fact that the McMichaels were sitting still having given up their Pursuit when they were closed on confronted and subsequently attacked

You are lying. There is no video evidence that TM was standing still prior to the first shot being fired..

We do know as a matter of fact that TM’s movements in the final seconds prior to the first shot followed the arrows to the black X.

We do not know if TM arrived at the X and stood still “ having given up his pursuit” as you claim. So you are a liar to say that he did.

We do know that TM was ordering AA to stop when TM shot him.

That refutes any notion that TM had given up his pursuit.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

LOL @45 degrees

as if any of that crap matters!!!

if it does not matter, why did you lie that you can see a turn by AA that was 90 degrees and that TM was standing still very close to the engine block of the truck WHEN that turn was suddenly made.

 

[SavannahMann]

"standing your ground," doesn’t literally mean standing in one spot on the ground.

What does it mean to you?

Stand your ground does not apply. For it presumes that the individual standing has done nothing to instigate the altercation. If you were on the street. Awaiting the arrival of a friend. And were accosted by a miscreant. Then Stand Your Ground would be appropriate. It is in fact the very reason they passed such laws.

Travis was not standing his ground. Either by text or by intent of the statute. The defense of Stand your Ground would not be allowed if it was offered. And should not be.

Travis is facing a lifetime in prison for his crimes. And in Georgia we know he commuted those crimes. By the collective standard that is our understanding of Georgia Norms and laws, Travis is the criminal. That is why he remains in Jail awaiting Trial. That is why he was denied bail, as were the co-defendants.

translation; by chasing a criminal you provoked them and are automatically liable to be attacked

from now on never chase someone you suspect of committing a crime and you won't have to worry about provoking them to commit an act of violence

Of course the next time an undercover cop is chasing someone they can turn around and kill him by claiming his Chase provoked their violence of action

good job boys

I did not discuss Self Defense. That has been covered previously. I answered the question concerning Stand Your Ground. Or do you deny that the intent of stand your ground was when a victim was attacked without provocation by a criminal?

Stand your ground is designed to determine who was the aggressor

In any given incident when there is plenty of opportunity to retreat and someone actually covers ground in an effort to engage another party it's pretty clear who the aggressor is

By providing legal protection to those who do not cover ground in an effort to confront another individual you give Society a chance to do the right thing

For instance if arberry were actually jogging and two murderous klansman pulled up in a pickup truck pointing weapons at him and screaming "I'm going to kill NIGG*ER" then it would be perfectly reasonable for him to pull a gun and kill both of them as he would have no duty to retreat and a legitimate fear of great bodily harm or death

That's why citizen's arrest is such a dangerous thing to do because the person who you're trying to detain has a lot of opportunity to kill you

Trouble for you social justice fantasy Warriors is the fact that the McMichaels were sitting still having given up their Pursuit when they were closed on confronted and subsequently attacked

Stand your ground is an extension of the Castle Doctrine. It ended for criminal and civil litigation the need to retreat from threat when the person was doing nothing wrong. If you are in your home and someone enters unbidden. You do not need to lock yourself in a bathroom to hide from them. Your home is your castle.

when on the street going about your day. You do not need to retreat before the criminal aggressor. Providing you are doing nothing to instigate or exacerbate the altercation. The Stand your Ground and Castle Doctrine vanish as options when you pursue someone. You are no longer standing your ground. You are in fact pursuing someone who is retreating.

Your legal authority to pursue someone is dependent upon the situation as is your lawful authority to use force. In Georgia we long ago decided that the excuse “I thought” was not sufficient. You had to catch them in the act.

What you can’t do is treat the law like a Chinese Restaurant. You can’t pick one from Column A and two from Column B. When you start with one, you are stuck with it. What you want is for people to hop from law to law like they are playing hopscotch.

According to you it was perfectly reasonable and legal to set off in pursuit. You said it was a valid Citizens Arrest situation. And you have repudiated that and then embraced it and then repudiated it again. The sequence of events in totality are criminal. You can’t isolate one moment and claim that moment absent all other considerations was legal and right. Context matters.

If you throw a brick through a car window. Criminal. If you smash the same window to rescue a dog on a hot day. Legal. Context, the why. Not just the what. The why. The intent if you will.

The Why determines if what you did, the actions, were legal or a criminal act. As does the sequence of events leading to the event.

A man attacks you with a baseball bat. You shoot him. Self defense. He pursued you from the bar you just left. Still self defense. He was angry that you had grabbed his girlfriend’s ass and punched him in the mouth. Ok. Self defense is looking a little shakier. Your weapon is being carried illegally. You are in a lot of trouble. Understand now?

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

Trouble for you social justice fantasy Warriors is the fact that the McMichaels were sitting still having given up their Pursuit when they were closed on confronted and subsequently attacked

You are lying. There is no video evidence that TM was standing still prior to the first shot being fired..

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We do know as a matter of fact that TM’s movements in the final seconds prior to the first shot followed the arrows to the black X.

We do not know if TM arrived at the X and stood still “ having given up his pursuit” as you claim. So you are a liar to say that he did.

We do know that TM was ordering AA to stop when TM shot him.

That refutes any notion that TM had given up his pursuit.

I said they'd given up the pursuit as they were no longer chasing him in the vehicle but clearly they stopped in the middle of the road with the intention to
"head him off at the pass"
just as they clearly said in their initial police interviews

it would be perfectly reasonable for Travis to walk around to the front of the truck when a potentially violent criminal was running directly at him and his father from the rear because if the criminal open fire the engine block would be the best place to maintain cover.

I don't care if Travis cartwheeled from the driver side to the front of the truck

it's not a crime and in no way shape form or fashion disqualifies a self-defense claim

Maude made a conscious decision to close on and attack the McMichaels when he could have just kept on running