The painful truth about Ahmaud Arberry

[whutTHEYsay]

You have zero evidence to support your idiotic contention that McMichael shot Arbery before Arbery attacked.

I say since TM did not tell police that AA grabbed the gun and then it went off and because there is no way to see what both men were doing in the video when the gun went off the first of three shots that you are a liar when you say that the video shows AA grabbing the gun before it goes the first time.

Unless you can see AA GRABBING THE GUN IN this image that you posted with your verification that this is the frame when the first shot goes off, you need to quit lying that is what you see.

 

[progressive hunter]

You have zero evidence to support your idiotic contention that McMichael shot Arbery before Arbery attacked.

I say since TM did not tell police that AA grabbed the gun and then it went off and because there is no way to see what both men were doing in the video when the gun went off the first of three shots that you are a liar when you say that the video shows AA grabbing the gun before it goes the first time.

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Unless you can see AA GRABBING THE GUN IN this image that you posted with your verification that this is the frame when the first shot goes off, you need to quit lying that is what you see.

thats not the frame when the first shot went off,,

 

[Turtlesoup]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

Judge finds probable cause against 3 suspects in Ahmaud Arbery case

The three men accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery are scheduled for probable cause hearings in Brunswick today amid nationwide protests over the killing of another unarmed black man — George Floyd — in Minneapolis.

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So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

To stupid to grasp that they shot him because he tried to steal their gun?

do you need a picture drawn for you to get it?

You know this how? Because the video shows no such thing.
It is far more likely they threatened him with it and he lunged for it. In any case who holds a shotgun on someone who is causing them no harm? That is assault.

The Video shows exactly that---it clearly shows the criminal Ahbery run toward the men trying to stop him fleeing the scene of the crime---it clearly shows him run around a vehicle and grab their gun, hence why he was shot.

Lets stop playing stupid games...I hate dishonest people.

 

[Muhammed]

You have zero evidence to support your idiotic contention that McMichael shot Arbery before Arbery attacked.

I say since TM did not tell police that AA grabbed the gun and then it went off and because there is no way to see what both men were doing in the video when the gun went off the first of three shots that you are a liar when you say that the video shows AA grabbing the gun before it goes the first time.

I never said that in the first place. You must have me confused with somebody else.

"I told him stop, stop, stop until he hit me. There's nothing else I could do". That is a direct quote from Travis McMichael, an eyewitness who saw what happened. It is not inconsistent with the video evidence.

RAW VIDEO: Police question Travis McMichael shortly after shooting of Ahmaud Arbery - YouTube

 

[Turtlesoup]

I never said he deserved to get shot,, in fact I was trying to show all the other options that wouldnt have got him shot,,,

Apparently Ahmaud Arbery not only had a bad habit of breaking into other people's houses and stealing other peoples' stuff, he also had a bad habit of stupidly running up on armed crackers. One that ultimately cost him his life. IIRC we had a thread about him here at USMB a few years ago.

Remember this...



It's the same guy. It's amazing that he lived to be so old.

He "works" but he had no job.

 

[The Rabbi]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

Judge finds probable cause against 3 suspects in Ahmaud Arbery case

The three men accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery are scheduled for probable cause hearings in Brunswick today amid nationwide protests over the killing of another unarmed black man — George Floyd — in Minneapolis.

www.google.com

So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

To stupid to grasp that they shot him because he tried to steal their gun?

do you need a picture drawn for you to get it?

You know this how? Because the video shows no such thing.
It is far more likely they threatened him with it and he lunged for it. In any case who holds a shotgun on someone who is causing them no harm? That is assault.

The Video shows exactly that---it clearly shows the criminal Ahbery run toward the men trying to stop him fleeing the scene of the crime---it clearly shows him run around a vehicle and grab their gun, hence why he was shot.

Lets stop playing stupid games...I hate dishonest people.

It shows no such thing.
You are a lying cocksucker. I'm done with you and your stupidity.

 

[SavannahMann]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

Judge finds probable cause against 3 suspects in Ahmaud Arbery case

The three men accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery are scheduled for probable cause hearings in Brunswick today amid nationwide protests over the killing of another unarmed black man — George Floyd — in Minneapolis.

www.google.com

So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

To stupid to grasp that they shot him because he tried to steal their gun?

do you need a picture drawn for you to get it?

You understand that pointing a gun at someone without reason, a legal reason, is literally the definition in Georgia for Aggravated Assault.

 

[The Rabbi]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

Judge finds probable cause against 3 suspects in Ahmaud Arbery case

The three men accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery are scheduled for probable cause hearings in Brunswick today amid nationwide protests over the killing of another unarmed black man — George Floyd — in Minneapolis.

www.google.com

So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

To stupid to grasp that they shot him because he tried to steal their gun?

do you need a picture drawn for you to get it?

You understand that pointing a gun at someone without reason, a legal reason, is literally the definition in Georgia for Aggravated Assault.

no he diesnt understand that,

 

[whutTHEYsay]

"I told him stop, stop, stop until he hit me. There's nothing else I could do". That is a direct quote from Travis McMichael,

Yes that is a direct quote from TM immediately following the murder. It is not consistent with the video because the two men are not visible to the camera when the first shot went off.

Telling AA to stop with a shouldered shotgun is a felony. And AA is not seen punching TM on the head until after he was shot once.

So TM should not have run around to the front of the truck and get in his way.

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

Judge finds probable cause against 3 suspects in Ahmaud Arbery case

The three men accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery are scheduled for probable cause hearings in Brunswick today amid nationwide protests over the killing of another unarmed black man — George Floyd — in Minneapolis.

www.google.com

So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

To stupid to grasp that they shot him because he tried to steal their gun?

do you need a picture drawn for you to get it?

You understand that pointing a gun at someone without reason, a legal reason, is literally the definition in Georgia for Aggravated Assault.

post the frame of the video where travis was "pointing" a gun arberry

you CANT because it doesn't exist

both men where professional certified law enforcement professionals who knew better than to violate the law

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

"I told him stop, stop, stop until he hit me. There's nothing else I could do". That is a direct quote from Travis McMichael,

Yes that is a direct quote from TM immediately following the murder. It is not consistent with the video because the two men are not visible to the camera when the first shot went off.

Telling AA to stop with a shouldered shotgun is a felony. And AA is not seen punching TM on the head until after he was shot once.

So TM should not have run around to the front of the truck and get in his way.

NOBODY POINTED a gun at Arberry

sorry

At 12m 45s you can clearly see Ahmaud Arberry attack Travis McMichael and clearly hear the first gunshot go off well after contact was made... pretty cool this uploader made it clear that other uploaders had tried to manipulate the blasts to present a false narrative

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

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TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

Judge finds probable cause against 3 suspects in Ahmaud Arbery case

The three men accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery are scheduled for probable cause hearings in Brunswick today amid nationwide protests over the killing of another unarmed black man — George Floyd — in Minneapolis.

www.google.com

So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

To stupid to grasp that they shot him because he tried to steal their gun?

do you need a picture drawn for you to get it?

You understand that pointing a gun at someone without reason, a legal reason, is literally the definition in Georgia for Aggravated Assault.

At 12m 45s you can clearly see Ahmaud Arberry attack Travis McMichael and clearly hear the first gunshot go off well after contact was made... pretty cool this uploader made it clear that other uploaders had tried to manipulate the blasts to present a false narrative



its over

 

[Muhammed]

"I told him stop, stop, stop until he hit me. There's nothing else I could do". That is a direct quote from Travis McMichael,

Yes that is a direct quote from TM immediately following the murder. It is not consistent with the video because the two men are not visible to the camera when the first shot went off.

That makes no sense whatsoever. For his statement to be inconsistent with the video, you need to show that his eyewitness account is physically impossible.

Have you even watched the video?

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

"I told him stop, stop, stop until he hit me. There's nothing else I could do". That is a direct quote from Travis McMichael,

Yes that is a direct quote from TM immediately following the murder. It is not consistent with the video because the two men are not visible to the camera when the first shot went off.

That makes no sense whatsoever. For his statement to be inconsistent with the video, you need to show that his eyewitness account is physically impossible.

hes just trying to twist Travis's words but hates this video
12 m 45 sec

 

[SavannahMann]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

Judge finds probable cause against 3 suspects in Ahmaud Arbery case

The three men accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery are scheduled for probable cause hearings in Brunswick today amid nationwide protests over the killing of another unarmed black man — George Floyd — in Minneapolis.

www.google.com

So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

To stupid to grasp that they shot him because he tried to steal their gun?

do you need a picture drawn for you to get it?

You understand that pointing a gun at someone without reason, a legal reason, is literally the definition in Georgia for Aggravated Assault.

post the frame of the video where travis was "pointing" a gun arberry

you CANT because it doesn't exist

both men where professional certified law enforcement professionals who knew better than to violate the law

And yet Violate it they did. First in setting off in pursuit of someone they had no legal justification to detain. Then they committed Aggravated Assault. And then Felony Murder.

 

[Muhammed]

So TM should not have run around to the front of the truck and get in his way.

AA was behind the truck. So in your illogical moonbat mind, please explain to the USMB forum how a person in front of the truck could possibly be in his way.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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here we have a man standing his ground with a firearm held high and ready (shouldered but NOT aimed)

This is the image where your denial of the video evidence begins and your your imposition of racist bias overwhelms you.

will explain why when time permits but basically AA makes a move to avoid TM so there is no evidence that he is attacking from this far out. But TM moves to his new position that is intended to block AA as he comes around the passenger side.



Reply to 26250268

The frame you posted does not show AA running 90 degrees perpendicular to the centerline. It does not show AA grabbing the gun before being shot in the wrist area.

That's because they're not the same frame, dumbass. There are several frames showing AA grabbing the gun before he got shot in the wrist.

Here's one of them.

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That’s between the 1st and 2nd shot idiot..

post the frame of the video where travis was "pointing" a gun arberry

You really are an imbecile aren’t you?

Listen to the video from your expert sympathizer for morons with guns.

RIght at this mark;

26250268
Your post 724. TM aimed his Shotgun at AA and threatened to shoot if he gets any closer.

So AA shows Intent to avoid TM by running around on the other side of the truck.

But dufus moron dumbfuck with a loaded gun runs at least twenty feet to get way out in front of his pickup to intercept AA as he runs around on the passenger side.

And shoots him.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

AA was behind the truck.

Which direction was AA jogging?

I’ll help you because you are obviously a moron.

He was running from the attacker that used his truck as a weapon.

HE was running toward the rear of the truck.

HE Was running to go around on the passenger side of the truck to avoid TM who was on the drivers side when he aimed his shotgun ( a felony) at him a told him to get on the ground.

If you understood time motion and geometry you would know that the direction of escape that AA had chosen would bring him to the front bumper of the truck in a few seconds on the passenger side.

Since AA was not armed its a safe bet that getting around that front bumper he hoped TM and his fucking shotgun was not there.

So the question that racists won’t ask is what the fuck was TM doing out in front of the truck colliding with AA when he could have let AA PASS while hiding safely behind the engine block on the drivers side.

WTF indeed!

 

[Turtlesoup]

How did they chase a guy down when they were standing in the middle of the street and he was running directly at them?

You're a fucking idiot.

Seriously, you're fucking brain dead...

they lied to you

*its not your fault

Ok. Proof they were not just standing in the road. I am not sure of the source. Perhaps you can evaluate it for me.

The painful truth about Ahmaud Arberry

It's unlikely any other case in recent history has inspired more misinformation as media Outlets clearly have an incentive to racialize and dramatized every incident that comes their way the simple fact is arberry was a well-known local Petty Criminal who was caught casing out a house that had...

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why did Arberry attack the mcmichels??

he ran at 2 men

he ran over 30 yards DIRECTLY at them and ATTACKED

According to your own post the “heroic” McMichaels pursued him didn’t they?

He was followed by another truck working in conjunction with the McMichaels driven by Roddy. You now turn the corner and see the first truck and now one is out of the truck blocking your route. What are you supposed to think? The guy blocking your route is armed with a shotgun. What are his intentions?

We tell women who are being attacked to fight. We tell women to fight their rapists. We tell people if they are in an active shooter situation to hide and if discovered fight. Why?

You are going to die if you do nothing. At least fighting you have a slim chance, but a chance. Doing nothing means you die with a whimper.

Now. What could possibly be your goal here? What is your motivation? It is obviously not to set the record straight. All of your assertions have been disproven. What is left? You can’t be seriously considering the law, or the facts. So what is left?

Either you are a relative of the McMichaels or Roddy. Or you are someone outraged that whites are in jail for killing a black. You are not a cop. You can’t even be a rent a cop with this level of ignorance of the law. So I don’t know what Public Safety experience you have. Perhaps you are a volunteer with some sort of Emergency Management Agency. Or a school crossing guard.

Whatever it is. It is not based in a search for truth or fact.

Criminal Arbary knew he was snagged trespassing and casing the house---so when the men followed him and told him to stop-it certainly was thinking OH SHIT I've been caught how dare the white cops try to stop me from being a criminal...this pretending that this guy wasn't a criminal is crazy.

Oh Lord. Twenty pages in and we have to start all over with Georgia Law. Ok. Fine.

Under Georgia Law the McMichaels had no authority to pursue or even tell Arbury to stop. The only person with that authority for your supposed crimes was Larry English or his designated representative. The McMichaels were not designated. Neither were they cops at the time of the incident. Daddy was retired. Mainly because he never finished his training to maintain his certification. An analogy here. If you do not renew your Drivers License you can’t legally drive anymore.

The McMichaels had no authority to perform a Citizens Arrest. That means the attempt was a felony. Trespassing is a misdemeanor. So the McMichaels performed a felony to catch a suspected misdemeanor. If that wasn’t enough they then commit the crime of Aggravated Assault. In Georgia that is where you threaten a person with a gun or other potentially deadly weapon. It is also a Felony. So even if Arbury had stopped the McMichaels were looking at Prison for at least three years.

Now you can not claim self defense while committing crimes. Otherwise every Armed Robbery Suspect would swear it was self defense when they shot the clerk. So Travis can’t claim self defense.

So the charges are appropriate for the Vigilante Trio. And they will almost certainly be convicted and sent to Prison for twenty years, the mandatory minimum by law. Anything above that is at the discretion of the Judge.

nobody threatened him with the gun and nobody took him into custody

It's not illegal by Georgia law to speak to someone while holding your gun that's not even aimed at them and that's all that happened until your criminal hero told his Braveheart Kung Fu theater attack

if you see a man running out of your neighbor's house covered in blood you're allowed to chase him and ask him questions while holding a gun in the low ready position

just because you're the title feeble coward that would let the criminal run away doesn't mean the rest of the nation will and American law is well established in this category

Oprah and LeBron want these three men locked up so there's a very good chance that's what happens even though it would be a miscarriage of American Justice

The problem is you my friend. You are the racist. You change your story every single reply. They were in pursuit. Totally reasonable and under old English law legal to take him into citizens arrest.

Explain to me based on the Georgia BAR standard I posted when they did in fact effect an arrest.

You really are just turtled up. When they and Roddy struck him with their vehicles that was also aggravated assault. The three of them set out to catch a petty thief and ended up committing multiple felonies.

your criminal hero had committed the act of trespass likely burglary attempted carjacking and assault before he was finally shot by Travis McMichael who was sustaining a direct attack on his person at the time of the shooting

you're manic disjointed posting style smacks of someone that is emotionally involved and that's understandable because you're trying to defend a mentally retarded career criminal that got caught in the act

In Georgia. I keep repeating this. Only the victim could claim trespassing. And the victim could do the citizens arrest. Bystanders could not. That was the Winn Dixie decision by the Appeals Court. Remember?

You have to catch the guy in the act. The only thing the McMichaels caught him doing was trying to avoid people committing felonies.

I know. You do not understand this. The lawyers representing the accused certainly do. And that is why they are pointing fingers at each other. It’s his fault not mine. I didn’t do it.

That is BULLCHIT and inaccurate.

the McMichaels had an immediate knowledge that he was a wanted criminal for the repeated trespasses on Larry Englishs property

It could be trouble for the McMichaels because Larry English is one of the world's most worthless pieces of human garbage and a complete coward who is trying to distance himself from all the things he did that inspired the neighborhood to try to catch this guy

it's very likely that Larry English tries to throw the McMichaels under the bus because he doesn't want to get any more death threats, that's why he's doing something as ridiculous as claiming nothing was stolen when there's a bunch of YouTube videos of his 911 calls detailing the things that were stolen

I think Larry English and William Roddy Bryant are a couple of complete freaking cowards and I would like to see both of them charged in this case somehow however the McMichaels did nothing wrong and we're simply responding to the information they were given in a perfectly legal and logical manner

The McMichaels were acting on immediate knowledge that English provided----which means they had the legal right to make a citizens arrest.

Bullshit. They had no right to make a citizens arrest under Georgia law. Please review your facts.

I did review the facts..I looked up Georgias laws--they had a right to make a citizens arrest of this habitual stupid criminal.

You are simply wrong. And the jury will decide it.

i AM SIMPLY RIGHT-----

the law is clear.

and these witch hunts to destroy anyone who opposes communism or criminals has got to end.

 

[Muhammed]

AA was behind the truck.

Which direction was AA jogging?

I've seen no evidence that he was jogging.

If you have, please present the evidence so that your fellow USMB forumers may scrutinize it.

Can you name a single eye-witness who said he was jogging?