The painful truth about Ahmaud Arberry

[whutTHEYsay]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

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So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

 

[Muhammed]

The frame you posted does not show AA running 90 degrees perpendicular to the centerline. It does not show AA grabbing the gun before being shot in the wrist area.

That's because they're not the same frame, dumbass. There are several frames showing AA grabbing the gun before he got shot in the wrist.

Here's one of them.

 

[Muhammed]

TM’s lawyer asks the prosecution to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. This was the response in court:

Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.”

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the McMichaels attempted to detain Arbery.

Sheffield is TM’s lawyer. This conversation is in court.

1:04 p.m.: Sheffield asks Dial to explain the aggravated assault charge against Travis McMichael. Dial: The charge stems from Travis McMichael pointing his shotgun at Arbery. Under questioning from Sheffield, Dial says Travis McMichael told Arbery to stop and to get on the ground before he shot him.

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So you can admit you are a bigger moron that the Three White Morons With Guns who assaulted and murdered Ahmad Arberry for absolutely nothing other than jogging while black.

Hearsay is not evidence, dumbass.

 

[SavannahMann]

arberry was never attacked,, and he knew they wanted to talk to him,,

How do YOU know that AA knew that?

AA perhaps thought he was being robbed at gunpoint.

The entire chase is an attack you idiot.

because they asked him several times to stop and talk,,,

Arbury was under no legal requirement to stop. In fact. In trying to stop him the McMichaels were the criminals. Felons.

 

[progressive hunter]

arberry was never attacked,, and he knew they wanted to talk to him,,

How do YOU know that AA knew that?

AA perhaps thought he was being robbed at gunpoint.

The entire chase is an attack you idiot.

because they asked him several times to stop and talk,,,

Arbury was under no legal requirement to stop. In fact. In trying to stop him the McMichaels were the criminals. Felons.

never said he was,, but as we see if he did he would still be alive,, of course he could have ran any of the other 3 directions instead of attacking a man with a gun,,,

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Travis McMichael then got out of his truck and confronted Arbery, later telling police he shot him in self-defense after Arbery refused his order to get on the ground,

Hearsay is not evidence, dumbass.

it’s not hearsay. It’s based on what TM told police in a courtroom.

“In a hearing to determine whether there is enough evidence to proceed with a murder trial, the lead Georgia Bureau ofInvestigation agent in the case testified that Travis and Greg McMichael and a third man in another pickup, William “Roddie” Bryan, used their trucks to chase down and box in Arbery, who repeatedly reversed directions and ran into a ditch while trying to escape.

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Travis McMichael then got out of his truck and confronted Arbery, later telling police he shot him in self-defense after Arbery refused his order to get on the ground, Special Agent Richard Dial said. A close examination of the video of the shooting shows the first shot was to Arbery's chest, the second was to his hand, and the third was to his chest again before he collapsed in the road, Dial said.

Special Agent Richard Dial said. A close examination of the video of the shooting shows the first shot was to Arbery's chest, the second was to his hand, and the third was to his chest again before he collapsed in the road, Dial said.”

You can admit you are an idiot any time now?

The shooter tells police he ordered his prey to get on the ground and you call it hearsay,

 

[whutTHEYsay]

, of course he could have ran any of the other 3 directions instead of attacking a man with a gun,,,

Or TM Should not have been violating the law against assault while in possession of a firearm and ordering AA to get on the ground while shouldering his shotgun.

 

[progressive hunter]

, of course he could have ran any of the other 3 directions instead of attacking a man with a gun,,,

Or TM Should not have been violating the law against assault while in possession of a firearm and ordering AA to get on the ground while shouldering his shotgun.

a little late for that isnt it,,, if he wanted to live he should have listened instead of attacking him,,, or ran another direction,,

 

[whutTHEYsay]

if he wanted to live he should have listened instead of attacking him,,,

You are a liar because there is no evidence that AA attacked TM until after he was shot either in the chest or hand from the first shot that went off at this point in the video that Muhammed provided a few posts ago.

If you can see AA attacking TM before this scene please explain what you can see. I can’t see any part of Arbery in this

Arbery was shot in the chest according to GBI investigator Dial. Greg McMichael told police TM’s first shot hit his victim on the hand.

TM told investigators he was not struck by Arbery until after he sh

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2:12 p.m.: Sheffield is asking whether the McMichaels were acting in self defense. Dial: Travis McMichael said that after shooting Arbery once Arbery struck him. Dial said he did not spot any visible injuries on Travis McMichael.

 

[progressive hunter]

if he wanted to live he should have listened instead of attacking him,,,

You are a liar because there is no evidence that AA attacked TM until after he was shot either in the chest or hand from the first shot that went off at this point in the video that Muhammed provided a few posts ago.

If you can see AA attacking TM before this scene please explain what you can see. I can’t see any part of Arbery in this

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Arbery was shot in the chest according to GBI investigator Dial. Greg McMichael told police TM’s first shot hit his victim on the hand.

try watching the video instead of your selected out of context shots,, the you will see AA turn directly at him and grab his gun,,,

 

[whutTHEYsay]

try watching the video instead of your selected out of context shots,, the you will see AA turn directly at him and grab his gun,,,

I watched the video numerous times listened to the shots. It is not out of context to freeze the video as precise as possible when the first shot was fired and we learned later that it wounded AA.

That’s why I posted the image that Muhammed posted when he heard the first shot.

This is it:

There is no scene in the video that shows AA grabbing the gun prior to the first shot.

The video shows AA grabbing the gun between the first and second shot. perhaps you are confused. You think the second shot is the first shot. But you have to be stupid deaf and blind to be unable to count three shots. Perhaps you

 

[Muhammed]

What sinks the argument that it was self defense is the sequence of events that led up to the shooting.

We covered this about thirty pages before. So let’s cover it one more time since it has slipped your memory.

Self Defense is allowed as a defense against criminal action. However, for it to be valid in the courts, in other words allowed by the Judge, the first thing you must do is not commit any crimes before the use of force. The McMichaels do not qualify. They committed two Felonies before the shooting. Not one, but two.

And of course you are lying. You have shown zero evidence that they committed any felonies before Travis was attacked by the criminal.

 

[progressive hunter]

try watching the video instead of your selected out of context shots,, the you will see AA turn directly at him and grab his gun,,,

I watched the video numerous times listened to the shots. It is not out of context to freeze the video as precise as possible when the first shot was fired and we learned later that it wounded AA.

That’s why I posted the image that Muhammed posted when he heard the first shot.

This is it:

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There is no scene in the video that shows AA grabbing the gun prior to the first shot.

The video shows AA grabbing the gun between the first and second shot. perhaps you are confused. You think the second shot is the first shot. But you have to be stupid deaf and blind to be unable to count three shots. Perhaps you

the video shows him running down the side of the truck and then turning left to attack MM,, and thats what got him killed,,

 

[Muhammed]

try watching the video instead of your selected out of context shots,, the you will see AA turn directly at him and grab his gun,,,

I watched the video numerous times listened to the shots. It is not out of context to freeze the video as precise as possible when the first shot was fired and we learned later that it wounded AA.

That’s why I posted the image that Muhammed posted when he heard the first shot.

This is it:

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There is no scene in the video that shows AA grabbing the gun prior to the first shot.

It's obscured in the video, in which case we must rely on the eye-witnesses to know what happened in 1 second in front of that truck. That and the laws of physics.

Are you aware of what the eyewitnesses said?

 

[SavannahMann]

arberry was never attacked,, and he knew they wanted to talk to him,,

How do YOU know that AA knew that?

AA perhaps thought he was being robbed at gunpoint.

The entire chase is an attack you idiot.

because they asked him several times to stop and talk,,,

Arbury was under no legal requirement to stop. In fact. In trying to stop him the McMichaels were the criminals. Felons.

never said he was,, but as we see if he did he would still be alive,, of course he could have ran any of the other 3 directions instead of attacking a man with a gun,,,

Ok. Let’s play a game. I’ll pick three armed White guys to chase you. You don’t know if they are murderers. Robbers. Psychopaths. Or the local neighborhood welcoming committee. You have no weapon. No phone. How long before fear guides you? How long before you just want to get away? They will not let you just go

The one thing you will be certain of is they are not cops. Will you just trust them? Because I know the three I am going to pick.

 

[SavannahMann]

What sinks the argument that it was self defense is the sequence of events that led up to the shooting.

We covered this about thirty pages before. So let’s cover it one more time since it has slipped your memory.

Self Defense is allowed as a defense against criminal action. However, for it to be valid in the courts, in other words allowed by the Judge, the first thing you must do is not commit any crimes before the use of force. The McMichaels do not qualify. They committed two Felonies before the shooting. Not one, but two.

And of course you are lying. You have shown zero evidence that they committed any felonies before Travis was attacked by the criminal.

I don’t need to prove it. I am not a cop or prosecutor. However. They did prove it sufficiently for the Judge to agree the charges were valid, and sufficiently enough to deny them Bond.

 

[progressive hunter]

arberry was never attacked,, and he knew they wanted to talk to him,,

How do YOU know that AA knew that?

AA perhaps thought he was being robbed at gunpoint.

The entire chase is an attack you idiot.

because they asked him several times to stop and talk,,,

Arbury was under no legal requirement to stop. In fact. In trying to stop him the McMichaels were the criminals. Felons.

never said he was,, but as we see if he did he would still be alive,, of course he could have ran any of the other 3 directions instead of attacking a man with a gun,,,

Ok. Let’s play a game. I’ll pick three armed White guys to chase you. You don’t know if they are murderers. Robbers. Psychopaths. Or the local neighborhood welcoming committee. You have no weapon. No phone. How long before fear guides you? How long before you just want to get away? They will not let you just go

The one thing you will be certain of is they are not cops. Will you just trust them? Because I know the three I am going to pick.

while youre playing games I will stick with the reality and facts we know,,,

 

[Muhammed]

Travis McMichael then got out of his truck and confronted Arbery, later telling police he shot him in self-defense after Arbery refused his order to get on the ground,

Hearsay is not evidence, dumbass.

it’s not hearsay. It’s based on what TM told police in a courtroom.

“In a hearing to determine whether there is enough evidence to proceed with a murder trial, the lead Georgia Bureau ofInvestigation agent in the case testified that Travis and Greg McMichael and a third man in another pickup, William “Roddie” Bryan, used their trucks to chase down and box in Arbery, who repeatedly reversed directions and ran into a ditch while trying to escape.

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Travis McMichael then got out of his truck and confronted Arbery, later telling police he shot him in self-defense after Arbery refused his order to get on the ground, Special Agent Richard Dial said. A close examination of the video of the shooting shows the first shot was to Arbery's chest, the second was to his hand, and the third was to his chest again before he collapsed in the road, Dial said.

Special Agent Richard Dial said. A close examination of the video of the shooting shows the first shot was to Arbery's chest, the second was to his hand, and the third was to his chest again before he collapsed in the road, Dial said.”

You can admit you are an idiot any time now?

The shooter tells police he ordered his prey to get on the ground and you call it hearsay,

Russ Bynum said that Richard Dial said that Travis told police that. That's not just hearsay, that's double hearsay. Not evidence, you ******* moronic moonbat. Dial was not there, nor was Russ Bynum. And AP is a notorious fake news outlet.

Let's go to the primary source to hear what Travis really told the police.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You have shown zero evidence that they committed any felonies before Travis was attacked by the criminal.

Neither Travis McMichael or the older moron with a gun have told police that AA attacked, and grabbed the gun and thats when he shot him. So both McMichaels have told police and investigators that TM shot first and then was attacked by a wounded man.

Their versions of what happened matches the video included the image where you say you hear the first shot.

This image:

Why do you continue the lie that Arbery attacked, tried to grab the gun , and then only after the attack he was wounded by the first of three shots.

Can you really see through that truck that Arbery is grabbing the gun.

 

[Turtlesoup]

How did they chase a guy down when they were standing in the middle of the street and he was running directly at them?

You're a ******* idiot.

Seriously, you're ******* brain dead...

they lied to you

*its not your fault

Ok. Proof they were not just standing in the road. I am not sure of the source. Perhaps you can evaluate it for me.

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why did Arberry attack the mcmichels??

he ran at 2 men

he ran over 30 yards DIRECTLY at them and ATTACKED

According to your own post the “heroic” McMichaels pursued him didn’t they?

He was followed by another truck working in conjunction with the McMichaels driven by Roddy. You now turn the corner and see the first truck and now one is out of the truck blocking your route. What are you supposed to think? The guy blocking your route is armed with a shotgun. What are his intentions?

We tell women who are being attacked to fight. We tell women to fight their rapists. We tell people if they are in an active shooter situation to hide and if discovered fight. Why?

You are going to die if you do nothing. At least fighting you have a slim chance, but a chance. Doing nothing means you die with a whimper.

Now. What could possibly be your goal here? What is your motivation? It is obviously not to set the record straight. All of your assertions have been disproven. What is left? You can’t be seriously considering the law, or the facts. So what is left?

Either you are a relative of the McMichaels or Roddy. Or you are someone outraged that whites are in jail for killing a black. You are not a cop. You can’t even be a rent a cop with this level of ignorance of the law. So I don’t know what Public Safety experience you have. Perhaps you are a volunteer with some sort of Emergency Management Agency. Or a school crossing guard.

Whatever it is. It is not based in a search for truth or fact.

Criminal Arbary knew he was snagged trespassing and casing the house---so when the men followed him and told him to stop-it certainly was thinking OH SHIT I've been caught how dare the white cops try to stop me from being a criminal...this pretending that this guy wasn't a criminal is crazy.

Oh Lord. Twenty pages in and we have to start all over with Georgia Law. Ok. Fine.

Under Georgia Law the McMichaels had no authority to pursue or even tell Arbury to stop. The only person with that authority for your supposed crimes was Larry English or his designated representative. The McMichaels were not designated. Neither were they cops at the time of the incident. Daddy was retired. Mainly because he never finished his training to maintain his certification. An analogy here. If you do not renew your Drivers License you can’t legally drive anymore.

The McMichaels had no authority to perform a Citizens Arrest. That means the attempt was a felony. Trespassing is a misdemeanor. So the McMichaels performed a felony to catch a suspected misdemeanor. If that wasn’t enough they then commit the crime of Aggravated Assault. In Georgia that is where you threaten a person with a gun or other potentially deadly weapon. It is also a Felony. So even if Arbury had stopped the McMichaels were looking at Prison for at least three years.

Now you can not claim self defense while committing crimes. Otherwise every Armed Robbery Suspect would swear it was self defense when they shot the clerk. So Travis can’t claim self defense.

So the charges are appropriate for the Vigilante Trio. And they will almost certainly be convicted and sent to Prison for twenty years, the mandatory minimum by law. Anything above that is at the discretion of the Judge.

nobody threatened him with the gun and nobody took him into custody

It's not illegal by Georgia law to speak to someone while holding your gun that's not even aimed at them and that's all that happened until your criminal hero told his Braveheart Kung Fu theater attack

if you see a man running out of your neighbor's house covered in blood you're allowed to chase him and ask him questions while holding a gun in the low ready position

just because you're the title feeble coward that would let the criminal run away doesn't mean the rest of the nation will and American law is well established in this category

Oprah and LeBron want these three men locked up so there's a very good chance that's what happens even though it would be a miscarriage of American Justice

The problem is you my friend. You are the racist. You change your story every single reply. They were in pursuit. Totally reasonable and under old English law legal to take him into citizens arrest.

Explain to me based on the Georgia BAR standard I posted when they did in fact effect an arrest.

You really are just turtled up. When they and Roddy struck him with their vehicles that was also aggravated assault. The three of them set out to catch a petty thief and ended up committing multiple felonies.

your criminal hero had committed the act of trespass likely burglary attempted carjacking and assault before he was finally shot by Travis McMichael who was sustaining a direct attack on his person at the time of the shooting

you're manic disjointed posting style smacks of someone that is emotionally involved and that's understandable because you're trying to defend a mentally retarded career criminal that got caught in the act

In Georgia. I keep repeating this. Only the victim could claim trespassing. And the victim could do the citizens arrest. Bystanders could not. That was the Winn Dixie decision by the Appeals Court. Remember?

You have to catch the guy in the act. The only thing the McMichaels caught him doing was trying to avoid people committing felonies.

I know. You do not understand this. The lawyers representing the accused certainly do. And that is why they are pointing fingers at each other. It’s his fault not mine. I didn’t do it.

That is BULLCHIT and inaccurate.

the McMichaels had an immediate knowledge that he was a wanted criminal for the repeated trespasses on Larry Englishs property

It could be trouble for the McMichaels because Larry English is one of the world's most worthless pieces of human garbage and a complete coward who is trying to distance himself from all the things he did that inspired the neighborhood to try to catch this guy

it's very likely that Larry English tries to throw the McMichaels under the bus because he doesn't want to get any more death threats, that's why he's doing something as ridiculous as claiming nothing was stolen when there's a bunch of YouTube videos of his 911 calls detailing the things that were stolen

I think Larry English and William Roddy Bryant are a couple of complete freaking cowards and I would like to see both of them charged in this case somehow however the McMichaels did nothing wrong and we're simply responding to the information they were given in a perfectly legal and logical manner

The McMichaels were acting on immediate knowledge that English provided----which means they had the legal right to make a citizens arrest.

Bullshit. They had no right to make a citizens arrest under Georgia law. Please review your facts.

I did review the facts..I looked up Georgias laws--they had a right to make a citizens arrest of this habitual stupid criminal.