The Overlap between antisemitism and anti-Zionism

[Lisa558]

Tormenting you? lol But you keep engaging me. You also keep bragging. Everyone knows about you.

 

[gold something]

this is the 2nd time you said you're done with me, but you keep engaging me

 

[ShahdagMountains]

You know nothing about me. You just like tormenting me because you get off annoying Jews.

Not playing anymore. Find another Jew to taunt.

Do you think the hostages are being fed prior to release? So that at least they’ll have enough strength to walk to the rescue vehicles?

 

[Lisa558]

Do you think the hostages are being fed prior to release? So that at least they’ll have enough strength to walk to the rescue vehicles?

Yes, I do. They might be being forced to eat more than their emancipated bodies can tolerate, in fact.

 

[gold something]

Yes, I do. They might be being forced to eat more than their emancipated bodies can tolerate, in fact.

Emaciated, not emancipated.

 

[Sayaras]

At the top of this subforum is a moderator announcement that opposition to Israel’s actions and hatred of Jews are two separate issues. While that certainly can be the case when criticism of Israel is specific and not exemplified by double standards or blood libel, very often criticism of Israel is indeed a cover for antisemitism, and the overlap is sometimes subtle and sometimes blatant:

1) We have posters who insist that their utter contempt for Israel is unrelated to dislike for Jews, and then in the very same post (or one that follows) refer to Netanyahu as “a Jewish bully” or make reference to “the Jewish terrorists.” If their hate for Israel is unrelated to Jews, why then identify them by their Jewish religion?

2) Similarly, where we have had active pro-Palestinian anti-Israel groups on college campuses, we have had chants of “Death to Jews!,” bullying and assaulting Jews, and even establishment of “No Jew Zones.” Clearly, there is an overlap between being against Israel and being against Jews.

3) Perhaps more subtlely, there is a tendency to use the descriptor “Zionist” in a broad and hateful way - such as “the evil Zionists” - when a Zionist is simply someone who supports the right of Israel to exist. Most Jews do, and many Christians. The word has recently taken on a negative connotation and has become a way to spew venom about Jews without saying the word.

4) Finally, the double standards applied to Israel when truly barbaric countries are never even mentioned is also a sign that hostility toward Jews is driving the criticism. This was one of Sharansky’s Three D’s of antisemitism.

To summarize, criticism of specific Israeli action (“Netanyahu is being too aggressive”) is not antisemitic while broad brush contempt using code words or lies (“those evil Zionists control the world!” or “the Zionist terrorists are committing genocide”) is.

The issue is quite complex, and the two very often overlap. The attached explains it in more detail.

https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/bills/getTestimonyDoc.asp?id=10042446

1. If one targets Israel more than any other country in a war, hypocrisy is shown and real motivation revealed.
2. Most Jews are linked to zionist institutions, or / and believe in Jewish state's rights. So it's a veiled threat.
3. Regardless of how many gullible Jews Mamdani can hide behind. It means zero.
4. Honest religious Jewish anti Zionism can never be linked or compared to [Arab or supremacist or other] antisemites hiding under this mask.
5. Look at how the Zionism page was before November 2023, and see the difference to current propaganda - by the organized Israelophobic cabal there. No wonder even liberal Jimmy Wales of Wikipedia got upset.

(Antisenitism always referred to anti -Jew. Exclusively).

 

[Sayaras]

Emaciated, not emancipated.

"Hondo 50" still uses "gold something"?

 

[Lisa558]

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"Hondo 50" still uses "gold something"?

And now he’s masquerading as a Jewish guy from Brooklyn, thinking that gives him approval to spew his Jew-hate.

 

[Sayaras]

And now he’s masquerading as a Jewish guy from Brooklyn, thinking that gives him approval to spew his Jew-hate.

He also tried some "Mexican" sounding names. But, always, his conduct reveals him. His latest 'active' accounts include: "Kyzina" and "Stan ford 4". Once in a while he will back himself up via his "Log cabin Republican," or "todd down under," or others.

 

[EMH]

Translation - notice the truth that Einstein was right about israel and these sick pathetic traitors will toss cards

Einstein Letter Warning Of Zionist Facism In Israel

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Antisemitism -- clear and persistent hatred of Jews.

Anti-Zionism -- singling out Jews as the one people on Earth who should be denied any sense of self-determination.

 

[Sayaras]

... Einstein

No matter how many times you post (fascistic) Rense garbage, it won't help you look any less ludicrous on USM.

EINSTEIN WAS A ZIONIST

Albert Einstein: Scientist, Pacifist, Zionist - Yale University Press

Steven Gimbel— When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to a joint meeting of the US Congress, one could almost see the ghost of Albert Einstein in the room. Netanyahu... READ MORE

yalebooks.yale.edu

 

[toomuchtime_]

At the top of this subforum is a moderator announcement that opposition to Israel’s actions and hatred of Jews are two separate issues. While that certainly can be the case when criticism of Israel is specific and not exemplified by double standards or blood libel, very often criticism of Israel is indeed a cover for antisemitism, and the overlap is sometimes subtle and sometimes blatant:

1) We have posters who insist that their utter contempt for Israel is unrelated to dislike for Jews, and then in the very same post (or one that follows) refer to Netanyahu as “a Jewish bully” or make reference to “the Jewish terrorists.” If their hate for Israel is unrelated to Jews, why then identify them by their Jewish religion?

2) Similarly, where we have had active pro-Palestinian anti-Israel groups on college campuses, we have had chants of “Death to Jews!,” bullying and assaulting Jews, and even establishment of “No Jew Zones.” Clearly, there is an overlap between being against Israel and being against Jews.

3) Perhaps more subtlely, there is a tendency to use the descriptor “Zionist” in a broad and hateful way - such as “the evil Zionists” - when a Zionist is simply someone who supports the right of Israel to exist. Most Jews do, and many Christians. The word has recently taken on a negative connotation and has become a way to spew venom about Jews without saying the word.

4) Finally, the double standards applied to Israel when truly barbaric countries are never even mentioned is also a sign that hostility toward Jews is driving the criticism. This was one of Sharansky’s Three D’s of antisemitism.

To summarize, criticism of specific Israeli action (“Netanyahu is being too aggressive”) is not antisemitic while broad brush contempt using code words or lies (“those evil Zionists control the world!” or “the Zionist terrorists are committing genocide”) is.

The issue is quite complex, and the two very often overlap. The attached explains it in more detail.

https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/bills/getTestimonyDoc.asp?id=10042446

All true, but I would go further. It is rare to find a harsh critic of Zionism or Israel who is not also an antisemite. Almost invariably, these people base their assaults of alleged actions by Israel on lies about what Israel did.

Moreover, the entire conflict between Israel and the Arab Muslims is based on nothing but antisemitism.

"From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce."

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

So if you are a Muslim, faithful to the laws and traditions of Islam, then you are an antisemite. The Arabs were never fighting to secure rights to Muslims but only to deny rights to Jews.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Questions with yes or no answers:

1) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose Karl Marx who was the author of the Communist Manifesto and the son of a Jewish Rabbi?

2) Am I "antisemitic" if I'm opposed to these Jewish politicians: Jerry Nadler (D NY), Adam Schiff (D CA), Jamie Raskin (D MD), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D FL), Chuck Schumer (D NY) (and the list goes on)?

3) Am I "antisemitic" if I opposed the notorious serial killer "Son Of Sam" (David Berkowitz)?

4) Am I "antisemitic" to oppose the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty (an unarmed naval ship)?

5) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose abortion mechanics who, in some cases, are Jews?

6) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose the ideology and actions of the Jewish Bolsheviks who staged the Russian Revolution and ushered in the Communist State there?

7) Am I "anti English" if I oppose what the current British government is doing to it's citizens?

Just simple, yes or no answers will suffice.

 

[rosends]

Questions with yes or no answers:

1) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose Karl Marx who was the author of the Communist Manifesto and the son of a Jewish Rabbi?

2) Am I "antisemitic" if I'm opposed to these Jewish politicians: Jerry Nadler (D NY), Adam Schiff (D CA), Jamie Raskin (D MD), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D FL), Chuck Schumer (D NY) (and the list goes on)?

3) Am I "antisemitic" if I opposed the notorious serial killer "Son Of Sam" (David Berkowitz)?

4) Am I "antisemitic" to oppose the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty (an unarmed naval ship)?

5) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose abortion mechanics who, in some cases, are Jews?

6) Am I "anti English" if I oppose what the current British government is doing to it's citizens?

Just simple, yes or no answers will suffice.

Hard to answer the first 5 questions. Are you opposed to things and people because you can connect them to Judaism? Do you have the same standards for opposing other people or events (do you sort all your objects by religion)? Plenty of serial killers aren't Jewish. Do you oppose them exactly the same as you do Berkowitz?

 

[SaxonJackson]

Hard to answer the first 5 questions. Are you opposed to things and people because you can connect them to Judaism? Do you have the same standards for opposing other people or events (do you sort all your objects by religion)? Plenty of serial killers aren't Jewish. Do you oppose them exactly the same as you do Berkowitz?

Yes. My standards don't change one iota. I opposed the Canadian government when they persecuted their truckers. I opposed the American government when they forced people to take experimental vaccines and to wear silly masks. I opposed Pol Pot and Mao Tse Tung for mass murdering their own people.

But I am not "anti-Canadianite," "anti-Americanite," or "anti-Asianite."

Easy peasy.

 

[Lisa558]

Questions with yes or no answers:

1) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose Karl Marx who was the author of the Communist Manifesto and the son of a Jewish Rabbi?

2) Am I "antisemitic" if I'm opposed to these Jewish politicians: Jerry Nadler (D NY), Adam Schiff (D CA), Jamie Raskin (D MD), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D FL), Chuck Schumer (D NY) (and the list goes on)?

3) Am I "antisemitic" if I opposed the notorious serial killer "Son Of Sam" (David Berkowitz)?

4) Am I "antisemitic" to oppose the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty (an unarmed naval ship)?

5) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose abortion mechanics who, in some cases, are Jews?

6) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose the ideology and actions of the Jewish Bolsheviks who staged the Russian Revolution and ushered in the Communist State there?

7) Am I "anti English" if I oppose what the current British government is doing to it's citizens?

Just simple, yes or no answers will suffice.

You are an antisemitic Brit who has invaded this site, demonstrated by your continued expression of contempt for Jews as “anti-Christ people.”

If your hate for Israel has nothing to do with your hate for Jews, why keep demeaning them - or bringing them up at all.

(These Jew-haters aren’t content with vomiting uo their hate for Jews, they want to be able to get away with it without being called out for the Jew-haters they are.)

 

[SaxonJackson]

You are an antisemitic Brit who has invaded this site, demonstrated by your continued expression of contempt for Jews as “anti-Christ people.”

If your hate for Israel has nothing to do with your hate for Jews, why keep demeaning them - or bringing them up at all.

(These Jew-haters aren’t content with vomiting uo their hate for Jews, they want to be able to get away with it without being called out for the Jew-haters they are.)

You are a well trained Mossad agent sent here from Israel to spread false claims about anyone opposed to the Zionist State and their terrorist actions. You have all the talking points down pat. What you don't realize is that everyone is catching on and the younger generation is no longer buying your rhetoric. You, Shapiro, Levin, et.al., are losing market share in the marketplace of ideals.

 

[Lisa558]

You are a well trained Mossad agent sent here from Israel to spread false claims about anyone opposed to the Zionist State and their terrorist actions. You have all the talking points down pat. What you don't realize is that everyone is catching on and the younger generation is no longer buying your rhetoric. You, Shapiro, Levin, et.al., are losing market share in the marketplace of ideals.

LOL. “Mossad agent”? Zionist State?

Your contempt is driven by your hate for whom you have referred to as “Anti-Christ” people.

(I am no more against Jesus than I am against any man who hasn’t harmed me or my people.)

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Questions with yes or no answers:

1) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose Karl Marx who was the author of the Communist Manifesto and the son of a Jewish Rabbi?

2) Am I "antisemitic" if I'm opposed to these Jewish politicians: Jerry Nadler (D NY), Adam Schiff (D CA), Jamie Raskin (D MD), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D FL), Chuck Schumer (D NY) (and the list goes on)?

3) Am I "antisemitic" if I opposed the notorious serial killer "Son Of Sam" (David Berkowitz)?

4) Am I "antisemitic" to oppose the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty (an unarmed naval ship)?

5) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose abortion mechanics who, in some cases, are Jews?

6) Am I "antisemitic" if I oppose the ideology and actions of the Jewish Bolsheviks who staged the Russian Revolution and ushered in the Communist State there?

7) Am I "anti English" if I oppose what the current British government is doing to it's citizens?

Just simple, yes or no answers will suffice.

Probably.

Just for asking those nonsensical questions.