The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Phoenall]

Andrew McCann writes:

:: “Here’s a little fact for you all to get your heads around: NO religious minority in ANY country where Islam predominates has grown proportionately in size over the past 50 years. By contrast, the Muslim population in Israel (are you listening all you anti-Semites out there?) is ten times bigger today than it was when the state was founded in 1948. ::

But 8 times smaller than it should be, thanks to the Zionists who ethnically cleansed them at that time.

More rat boy BULLSHIT that he cant prove

 

[rylah]

The Jewish people ARE the people of the place. (The Arab Muslims are the ones who came from somewhere else. Though it was a very long time ago in the meantime they have become people of the place.)

And ethnically cleansing a place does not remove the sovereignty of those so cleansed. And permitting return is one of the privileges of sovereignty.

Surely, you are not going to argue that the Jewish people are not ONE of the people of the place, are you?

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees. Zionist Jewish Europeans (et al.) have no valid claim to the land.

pffft

Your neurosis is quiet the entertainment.

you seem to have a problem with just putting up with the word "Jew" without adding any tags to it...let alone defend your position as being a decent human being, rather than a nazi scum who's fixated on DA JOOOO's.

Now go find us any "Palestinians" who are not from Egypt, Syria or Iraq, and have any distinct culture they've kept for centuries...

Neither anxious, nor obsessed, and I avoid using the word "jew" whenever possible, as it's both an insult and infers a non-existant racial connotation.

you just can't hold it can you...quiet the specimen.
Please elaborate more on how JEW is an insult with a "non-existent" racial connotation.

Don't worry I won't call you a Jew

Google, "using the word "jew" as an insult" and you'll get over 9,000,000 results. Take your pick. Personally, I consider the word disrepectful towards Jewish people.

Again your neurosis shows

No it's NOT an insult and your considerations have no basis in reality, as the Jews don't get bothered at all being called so.

To the best of my knowledge It's only an insult in various prison gangs and Arab societies..Which one you belong to?

Also because google shows personalized results based on your search history- this only shows WHAT YOU tend to search for- Nazi propaganda and blood- libels.

 

[rylah]

The Jewish people ARE the people of the place. (The Arab Muslims are the ones who came from somewhere else. Though it was a very long time ago in the meantime they have become people of the place.)

And ethnically cleansing a place does not remove the sovereignty of those so cleansed. And permitting return is one of the privileges of sovereignty.

Surely, you are not going to argue that the Jewish people are not ONE of the people of the place, are you?

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees. Zionist Jewish Europeans (et al.) have no valid claim to the land.

pffft

Your neurosis is quiet the entertainment.

you seem to have a problem with just putting up with the word "Jew" without adding any tags to it...let alone defend your position as being a decent human being, rather than a nazi scum who's fixated on DA JOOOO's.

Now go find us any "Palestinians" who are not from Egypt, Syria or Iraq, and have any distinct culture they've kept for centuries...

Neither anxious, nor obsessed, and I avoid using the word "jew" whenever possible, as it's both an insult and infers a non-existant racial connotation.

you just can't hold it can you...quiet the specimen.
Please elaborate more on how JEW is an insult with a "non-existent" racial connotation.

Don't worry I won't call you a Jew

Google, "using the word "jew" as an insult" and you'll get over 9,000,000 results. Take your pick. Personally, I consider the word disrepectful towards Jewish people.

Haven't you find any distinct pal-estinians yet with their culture, or just ducked it like everyone in team balestine?

Why did the Arabs take it as an insult to be called "palestinians" before 67??

 

[Mindful]

There is no language known as Palestinian. They speak Arabic, like Jordanians and Syrians and Egyptians.

X. There is no rich Palestinian history. You will not find history books that detail Palestinian culture going back centuries.
XI. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (a nation created by Great Britain 1922), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
XII. Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass.


More later; with links.

 

[Shusha]

There is no language known as Palestinian. They speak Arabic, like Jordanians and Syrians and Egyptians.

X. There is no rich Palestinian history. You will not find history books that detail Palestinian culture going back centuries.
XI. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (a nation created by Great Britain 1922), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
XII. Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass.


More later; with links.

I looked into this quite extensively several months ago in a conversation with Coyote. The distinctions between Palestinians and Jordanians and Syrians are:

A very slightly different pronunciation in the "g" sound.

Regional differences in the specific patterns in the embroidery on women's clothing.

 

[Shusha]

However, that said, the Palestinians, through this conflict, have developed into a separate people, imo, distinct enough to warrant their own self-determination, even if that distinction if primarily political and not cultural.

 

[Shusha]

And...arguments that the Jewish people are not a people, have no history in that land and have no rights to that place are ridiculous.

 

[Challenger]

And...arguments that the Jewish people are not a people, have no history in that land and have no rights to that place are ridiculous.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

 

[Phoenall]

And...arguments that the Jewish people are not a people, have no history in that land and have no rights to that place are ridiculous.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

So how soon before the last dregs of humanity accept that the Jews are a people, have an uninterupted history in palestine for 3 times longer than islam and Christianity and have rights to the land under international law

 

[Challenger]

When the last dregs of humanity (Zionists) finally accept that the "Jews" are not a "people", so cannot have an uninterupted history in palestine for 3 times longer than islam and Christianity and have no rights to the land under international law.

 

[Phoenall]

When the last dregs of humanity (Zionists) finally accept that the "Jews" are not a "people", so cannot have an uninterupted history in palestine for 3 times longer than islam and Christianity and have no rights to the land under international law.

Plagarism just shows you are defeated by a superior and dont have any answers to the facts

 

[Shusha]

And...arguments that the Jewish people are not a people, have no history in that land and have no rights to that place are ridiculous.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Uh. No. In the civilized world discrimination is revealed for what it is and is corrected. Thus women are people and have the same rights as other people. People of color are people and have the same rights as other people. LGBTQ are people and have the same rights as other people. And the Jewish people are a people and have the same rights as other peoples.

 

[montelatici]

Jewish people are individuals that practice Judaism, an individual that practices Judaism can be part of the Italian people, Chinese people, American people etc. A people are a people, not a religion.

 

[Phoenall]

Jewish people are individuals that practice Judaism, an individual that practices Judaism can be part of the Italian people, Chinese people, American people etc. A people are a people, not a religion.

So you are saying the arab muslims aren't a people, just a religion ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

“Palestine’s Intifada: the Process of Liberation is Irresistible” with Dr. Vijay Prashad

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jewish people are individuals that practice Judaism, an individual that practices Judaism can be part of the Italian people, Chinese people, American people etc. A people are a people, not a religion.

So you are saying the arab muslims aren't a people, just a religion ?

That is true. But Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. with Palestinian citizenship are Palestinians. It doesn't matter if they are Arab or not.

 

[Hollie]

“Palestine’s Intifada: the Process of Liberation is Irresistible” with Dr. Vijay Prashad

Islamic terrorism: The process of liberation from it is Irresistible

 

[Phoenall]

“Palestine’s Intifada: the Process of Liberation is Irresistible” with Dr. Vijay Prashad

More islamonazi propaganda from the pallywood production Jerusalem fund and palestinian centre

 

[Phoenall]

Jewish people are individuals that practice Judaism, an individual that practices Judaism can be part of the Italian people, Chinese people, American people etc. A people are a people, not a religion.

So you are saying the arab muslims aren't a people, just a religion ?

That is true. But Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. with Palestinian citizenship are Palestinians. It doesn't matter if they are Arab or not.

And the Jews got in first, as they are not slow on the uptake. Now the others are under Jewish rule and most find it pleasant and good for their pockets.

Remember that Jordan is also palestine as it comes under the same mandate.

 

[Challenger]

And...arguments that the Jewish people are not a people, have no history in that land and have no rights to that place are ridiculous.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Uh. No. In the civilized world discrimination is revealed for what it is and is corrected. Thus women are people and have the same rights as other people. People of color are people and have the same rights as other people. LGBTQ are people and have the same rights as other people. And the Jewish people are a people and have the same rights as other peoples.

Jewish people are those who practice Judaism regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They have no rights over and above any other human being on the planet that belongs to a particular religious group. No foreign group has the right to occupy land based on their religious dogma and myth-history.

You are right, in a "civilised" society discrimination is revealed for what it is and is corrected, Until recently both Europe and America had more or less suceeded in doing so. European and American Zionists, however, managed to impose their vile dogma and perversion of Judaism on an otherwise innocent native people in Palestine; I won't hold my breath waiting for "civilisation" to reach Zionist Israel any time soon.