The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Phoenall]

And...arguments that the Jewish people are not a people, have no history in that land and have no rights to that place are ridiculous.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Uh. No. In the civilized world discrimination is revealed for what it is and is corrected. Thus women are people and have the same rights as other people. People of color are people and have the same rights as other people. LGBTQ are people and have the same rights as other people. And the Jewish people are a people and have the same rights as other peoples.

Jewish people are those who practice Judaism regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They have no rights over and above any other human being on the planet that belongs to a particular religious group. No foreign group has the right to occupy land based on their religious dogma and myth-history.

You are right, in a "civilised" society discrimination is revealed for what it is and is corrected, Until recently both Europe and America had more or less suceeded in doing so. European and American Zionists, however, managed to impose their vile dogma and perversion of Judaism on an otherwise innocent native people in Palestine; I won't hold my breath waiting for "civilisation" to reach Zionist Israel any time soon.

They dont they occupy land granted to them under INTERNATIONAL LAWS that were in use at that time. That is what gives them rights over and above illegal immigrants that support islamonazi terrorism as the means to steal land.

And in the UK it was the neo marxists that played their trump card too soon and the people saw them for what they were. Nothing to do with Zioniosts or Zionism all to do with NWO taking control and having the pogroms all over again. After civilisation reaches the Jews do you think it will have the energy to reach for you neo marxists who are the new anti semites wrapped in glittery anti zionist paper..............

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Phoenall]

Just more islamonazi propaganda to slime the Jews

If the arab muslims had not attacked then there would not have been a massive loss of face by them

 

[abu afak]

Jewish people are those who Practice Judaism Regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They...

False, ignorant, and Anti-semitic. The Truth is, of course, 100% Opposite.

Jews - Wikipedia

The Jews (/dʒuːz/;[11] Hebrew: יְהוּדִים....), also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group[12] originating from the Israelites, or Hebrews, of the Ancient Near East.[13][14] Jewish ethnicity, nationhood and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish Nation,[15][16][17] while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance.".."
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[Challenger]

Jewish people are those who Practice Judaism Regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They...

False, ignorant, and Anti-semitic. The Truth is, of course, 100% Opposite.

Jews - Wikipedia

The Jews (/dʒuːz/;[11] Hebrew: יְהוּדִים....), also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group[12] originating from the Israelites, or Hebrews, of the Ancient Near East.[13][14] Jewish ethnicity, nationhood and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish Nation,[15][16][17] while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance.".."
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Well as "Phukwit Phoney" likes to rant, anyone can write anything in Wikipedia... Especially as that article uses almost exclusively Jewish/Zionist material.

The reality is different. Jewish people are those who practice Judaism regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They still have no rights over and above any other human being on the planet that belongs to a particular religious group. No foreign group has the right to occupy land based on their religious dogma and myth-history. Those are the facts and they're not anti-Semitic.

 

[Phoenall]

Jewish people are those who Practice Judaism Regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They...

False, ignorant, and Anti-semitic. The Truth is, of course, 100% Opposite.

Jews - Wikipedia

The Jews (/dʒuːz/;[11] Hebrew: יְהוּדִים....), also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group[12] originating from the Israelites, or Hebrews, of the Ancient Near East.[13][14] Jewish ethnicity, nationhood and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish Nation,[15][16][17] while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance.".."
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Well as "Phukwit Phoney" likes to rant, anyone can write anything in Wikipedia... Especially as that article uses almost exclusively Jewish/Zionist material.

The reality is different. Jewish people are those who practice Judaism regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They still have no rights over and above any other human being on the planet that belongs to a particular religious group. No foreign group has the right to occupy land based on their religious dogma and myth-history. Those are the facts and they're not anti-Semitic.

Lost the argument and the plot so resort to neo marxist rule 9 from the book of disinformation

If all else fails cast aspersions on another of your opponents so that all eyes are drawn to them and not your abject failure to keep a hold of the argument. Dont allow the subject matter escape your control anymore or you will start to look foolish using the same excuse time after time.



So why do you support the arab muslims claims to occupy land based on their religious dogma and myth-history ?

 

[abu afak]

False, ignorant, and Anti-semitic. The Truth is, of course, 100% Opposite.

Jews - Wikipedia

The Jews (/dʒuːz/;[11] Hebrew: יְהוּדִים....), also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group[12] originating from the Israelites, or Hebrews, of the Ancient Near East.[13][14] Jewish ethnicity, nationhood and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish Nation,[15][16][17] while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance.".."

Well as "Phukwit Phoney" likes to rant, anyone can write anything in Wikipedia... Especially as that article uses almost exclusively Jewish/Zionist material.

The reality is different. Jewish people are those who practice Judaism regardless of their original nationality/ethnicity/race (call it what you will). They still have no rights over and above any other human being on the planet that belongs to a particular religious group. No foreign group has the right to occupy land based on their religious dogma and myth-history. Those are the facts and they're not anti-Semitic.

So you feel free just to Dishonestly Fabricate your own Unsupported definition: Antisemitic as it is.
And it is is NOT true anyone can write anything in Wikipedia.
One can try, but it will immediately revert back to the original on most items. (if move at all)
Especially on on sensitive issues like this. One Cannot just write in "Jews Suck" or other of Sentiments like Yours.

IAC, You Cannot write anything in Merriam Webster... either:
Definition of JEW

1a. A member of the Tribe of Judah.
1b. Israelite

2. A member of the Nation existing in Palestine from the Sixth Century BC to the First Century AD.

3. A person belonging to a Continuation through Descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish People.

4. One whose religion is Judaism.​

Or... Dictionary.com

noun
1. One of a Scattered group of people that traces its Descent from the Biblical Hebrews or from postexilic adherents of Judaism; Israelite.
2.a person whose religion is Judaism.
3.a subject of the ancient kingdom of Judah.​

Or... Oxford
Jew - definition of Jew in English | Oxford Dictionaries
Jew
NOUN

• A member of the People and Cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins to the ancient Hebrew people of Israel.

Against all of this, we have the anti-semitic pronouncement of 'Challenger,' an internet Bigot/Clown.
And of course we have ME (and many more), an atheist Jew.

GAMEOVER.
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[Challenger]

...GAMEOVER.

Not even close. All your definitions support what I've said, "Jewish people" are those who adhere to the religion of Judaism. They are a religious group composed of several ethicities. No-one has yet proven any direct link between modern European, North African or Arabian Jewish people and ancient "Israelites", "Judahites", "Hebrews", etc. Even genetic studies prove nothing, but if you want to believe your distant ancestors wandered out of Palestine, that's fine with me, but like the "flat Earthers" before you, you might find reality is somewhat different from your fantasy. The concept that all Jewish people are related came from proto-nationalist and Zionist Jewish historians who basically, for want of a better word, fabricated a historical narrative to invent a People out of a religious group.

 

[montelatici]

A Jew is a person that practices Judaism. There are Inuits that practice Judaism. The ancestors of a large part of the native Palestinian Christians and Muslims practiced Judaism until the Empire made Christianity the state religion and all that practiced the religions common in Roman/Byzantine Palestina (udaism, Samaritanism, Roman religions and Zoroastrianism) were forced to convert or found it convenient (socially and legally) to convert to Christianity.

 

[Shusha]

A Jew is a person that practices Judaism.

That's as ridiculous as saying an Arab is a person that practices Islam.

 

[montelatici]

A Jew is a person that practices Judaism.

That's as ridiculous as saying an Arab is a person that practices Islam.

False analogy. A Muslim is a person that practices Islam would be the correct analogy. As stated an Inuit that practices Judaism would be a Jew. People of nearly every race and ethnicity and citizenship practice Judaism, just as people of nearly every race, ethnicity and citizenship practice Islam and Christianity.

 

[Shusha]

You are the one with the false analogy by limiting the definition of "Jewish" to a religious practice.

Muslims practice Islam. Jews practice Judaism.

Arabs are culturally Arab. Jews are culturally Jewish.

So, with the Jewish people we use the same word to depict two different things. But it still is two different things. Maybe we need a second word to clarify.

 

[montelatici]

No, an Argentine Jew is an Argentine that happens to practice Judaism, just as an Argentine Muslim is an Argentine that happens to practice Islam. In both cases they are culturally Argentine, speak Spanish write Spanish eat steak etc.

 

[Shusha]

No, an Argentine Jew is an Argentine that happens to practice Judaism, just as an Argentine Muslim is an Argentine that happens to practice Islam. In both cases they are culturally Argentine, speak Spanish write Spanish eat steak etc.

Exactly. So Jewish people can be culturally Jewish, you know, speaking Hebrew, and eating kosher and all the other things which make up a culture, of which religion is only a part.

 

[montelatici]

They are only Jewish if they practice Judaism.

No, an Argentine Jew is an Argentine that happens to practice Judaism, just as an Argentine Muslim is an Argentine that happens to practice Islam. In both cases they are culturally Argentine, speak Spanish write Spanish eat steak etc.

Exactly. So Jewish people can be culturally Jewish, you know, speaking Hebrew, and eating kosher and all the other things which make up a culture, of which religion is only a part.

If a person speaks Hebrew, eats Kosher and does all the things you say and is of the Christian faith, he/she is not a Jew. Religion is the qualifier. Anyone can become a Jew. Trump's daughter is a Jew only because she converted, nothing cultural about it.

 

[Shusha]

You are saying that an Arab who converts to Judaism is no longer Arab. And I call bullshit.

 

[montelatici]

Exactly, she becomes a Jew. Because she adopts the religion. It's a religion.

 

[Phoenall]

Exactly, she becomes a Jew. Because she adopts the religion. It's a religion.

Not according to people that are your superior in intelligence, they say Jew is a race. And the UN classifies Jew as a race

 

[P F Tinmore]

History of the Palestinians: A Land Without a People

 

[Challenger]

No, an Argentine Jew is an Argentine that happens to practice Judaism, just as an Argentine Muslim is an Argentine that happens to practice Islam. In both cases they are culturally Argentine, speak Spanish write Spanish eat steak etc.

Exactly. So Jewish people can be culturally Jewish, you know, speaking Hebrew, and eating kosher and all the other things which make up a culture, of which religion is only a part.

On the contrary, the religion of Judaism is much more pervasive; "eating Kosher" is not a cultural phenomenon, it is an integral part of the religion's dietary laws. Without the religion, there is no "Jewish culture".