The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Phoenall]

The never answered question.

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

It is said that the Palestinian declaration of independence in 1948 was invalid because Israel already declared independence and already defined its territory.

So.

What/where was Israel's defined territory in 1948?

How did Palestine's defined territory encroach on Israel's defined territory?

As defined by the mandate of Palestine and un res 181.

What was palestines defined territory other than the ambiguous to the north and to the south. That could mean to the north pole and to the south pole

There was no resolution 181. It was never implemented.

And besides, when did Israel define those as their borders?

The official UN records says it was, and your source is a proven liar. So who is to believed the official records or the lies of an islamonazi terrorist scumbag ?

I'm may 1948 if you read the real reports, and not rely on islamonazi LIES




Now again what was the Palestinians defined territory in their declaration ?

Palestine defined its territory inside its international borders.

What territory did Israel define?

Which international borders are those then, under what treaty where they agreed and who signed for them on behalf of Israel, Jordan and Egypt ?

I have searched the internet and cant find any mention of a state of Palestine having international borders. What I do find is the islamonazi misconception that the borders of the mandate of Palestine are the borders of the state of Palestine.


The land given to them in 1923 that delineated the borders of Jewish Palestine under the same treaty that delineated the borders of trans jordan

 

[P F Tinmore]

The never answered question.

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

It is said that the Palestinian declaration of independence in 1948 was invalid because Israel already declared independence and already defined its territory.

So.

What/where was Israel's defined territory in 1948?

How did Palestine's defined territory encroach on Israel's defined territory?

As defined by the mandate of Palestine and un res 181.

What was palestines defined territory other than the ambiguous to the north and to the south. That could mean to the north pole and to the south pole

There was no resolution 181. It was never implemented.

And besides, when did Israel define those as their borders?

The official UN records says it was, and your source is a proven liar. So who is to believed the official records or the lies of an islamonazi terrorist scumbag ?

I'm may 1948 if you read the real reports, and not rely on islamonazi LIES




Now again what was the Palestinians defined territory in their declaration ?

Palestine defined its territory inside its international borders.

What territory did Israel define?

Which international borders are those then, under what treaty where they agreed and who signed for them on behalf of Israel, Jordan and Egypt ?

I have searched the internet and cant find any mention of a state of Palestine having international borders. What I do find is the islamonazi misconception that the borders of the mandate of Palestine are the borders of the state of Palestine.


The land given to them in 1923 that delineated the borders of Jewish Palestine under the same treaty that delineated the borders of trans jordan

Palestine's international borders are referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements.

BTW, that was after the Mandate left Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

As defined by the mandate of Palestine and un res 181.

What was palestines defined territory other than the ambiguous to the north and to the south. That could mean to the north pole and to the south pole

There was no resolution 181. It was never implemented.

And besides, when did Israel define those as their borders?

The official UN records says it was, and your source is a proven liar. So who is to believed the official records or the lies of an islamonazi terrorist scumbag ?

I'm may 1948 if you read the real reports, and not rely on islamonazi LIES




Now again what was the Palestinians defined territory in their declaration ?

Palestine defined its territory inside its international borders.

What territory did Israel define?

Which international borders are those then, under what treaty where they agreed and who signed for them on behalf of Israel, Jordan and Egypt ?

I have searched the internet and cant find any mention of a state of Palestine having international borders. What I do find is the islamonazi misconception that the borders of the mandate of Palestine are the borders of the state of Palestine.


The land given to them in 1923 that delineated the borders of Jewish Palestine under the same treaty that delineated the borders of trans jordan

Palestine's international borders are referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements.

BTW, that was after the Mandate left Palestine.

Those where the mandate of Palestine's borders if you look again, as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988. You lose again

No the British left Palestine the Mandate is still in place, once again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate.
Another loss to you


Now show where the international borders of the nation of Palestine were delineated by treaty, and not the mandate of Palestine borders. Also the borders of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are not the borders of the nation of Palestine until the P.A. agrees them with those neighbours

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was no resolution 181. It was never implemented.

And besides, when did Israel define those as their borders?

The official UN records says it was, and your source is a proven liar. So who is to believed the official records or the lies of an islamonazi terrorist scumbag ?

I'm may 1948 if you read the real reports, and not rely on islamonazi LIES




Now again what was the Palestinians defined territory in their declaration ?

Palestine defined its territory inside its international borders.

What territory did Israel define?

Which international borders are those then, under what treaty where they agreed and who signed for them on behalf of Israel, Jordan and Egypt ?

I have searched the internet and cant find any mention of a state of Palestine having international borders. What I do find is the islamonazi misconception that the borders of the mandate of Palestine are the borders of the state of Palestine.


The land given to them in 1923 that delineated the borders of Jewish Palestine under the same treaty that delineated the borders of trans jordan

Palestine's international borders are referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements.

BTW, that was after the Mandate left Palestine.

Those where the mandate of Palestine's borders if you look again, as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988. You lose again

No the British left Palestine the Mandate is still in place, once again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate.
Another loss to you


Now show where the international borders of the nation of Palestine were delineated by treaty, and not the mandate of Palestine borders. Also the borders of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are not the borders of the nation of Palestine until the P.A. agrees them with those neighbours

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no land or borders.

In the case of Palestine, nationality is relevant to international law because, chiefly, “the status of the inhabitants of Mandated... Territories cannot be a domestic question”. The international nature of Palestinian nationality is derived not only from the fact that the “Mandatory does not have sovereignty over territory”, but from the many international factors inherited with in that nationality. These factors include : the mandate as an international system, the involvement of the League of Nations; state succession; the recognition of Palestinian nationality by other states; the diplomatic protection afforded to Palestinians abroad; naturalization of foreigners; immigration and return; the effects of multilateral nationality conventions in Palestine; and the ultimate role of the United Nations in defining the nationality in the country.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf​

 

[Phoenall]

The official UN records says it was, and your source is a proven liar. So who is to believed the official records or the lies of an islamonazi terrorist scumbag ?

I'm may 1948 if you read the real reports, and not rely on islamonazi LIES




Now again what was the Palestinians defined territory in their declaration ?

Palestine defined its territory inside its international borders.

What territory did Israel define?

Which international borders are those then, under what treaty where they agreed and who signed for them on behalf of Israel, Jordan and Egypt ?

I have searched the internet and cant find any mention of a state of Palestine having international borders. What I do find is the islamonazi misconception that the borders of the mandate of Palestine are the borders of the state of Palestine.


The land given to them in 1923 that delineated the borders of Jewish Palestine under the same treaty that delineated the borders of trans jordan

Palestine's international borders are referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements.

BTW, that was after the Mandate left Palestine.

Those where the mandate of Palestine's borders if you look again, as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988. You lose again

No the British left Palestine the Mandate is still in place, once again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate.
Another loss to you


Now show where the international borders of the nation of Palestine were delineated by treaty, and not the mandate of Palestine borders. Also the borders of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are not the borders of the nation of Palestine until the P.A. agrees them with those neighbours

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no land or borders.

In the case of Palestine, nationality is relevant to international law because, chiefly, “the status of the inhabitants of Mandated... Territories cannot be a domestic question”. The international nature of Palestinian nationality is derived not only from the fact that the “Mandatory does not have sovereignty over territory”, but from the many international factors inherited with in that nationality. These factors include : the mandate as an international system, the involvement of the League of Nations; state succession; the recognition of Palestinian nationality by other states; the diplomatic protection afforded to Palestinians abroad; naturalization of foreigners; immigration and return; the effects of multilateral nationality conventions in Palestine; and the ultimate role of the United Nations in defining the nationality in the country.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf​

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine defined its territory inside its international borders.

What territory did Israel define?

Which international borders are those then, under what treaty where they agreed and who signed for them on behalf of Israel, Jordan and Egypt ?

I have searched the internet and cant find any mention of a state of Palestine having international borders. What I do find is the islamonazi misconception that the borders of the mandate of Palestine are the borders of the state of Palestine.


The land given to them in 1923 that delineated the borders of Jewish Palestine under the same treaty that delineated the borders of trans jordan

Palestine's international borders are referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements.

BTW, that was after the Mandate left Palestine.

Those where the mandate of Palestine's borders if you look again, as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988. You lose again

No the British left Palestine the Mandate is still in place, once again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate.
Another loss to you


Now show where the international borders of the nation of Palestine were delineated by treaty, and not the mandate of Palestine borders. Also the borders of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are not the borders of the nation of Palestine until the P.A. agrees them with those neighbours

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no land or borders.

In the case of Palestine, nationality is relevant to international law because, chiefly, “the status of the inhabitants of Mandated... Territories cannot be a domestic question”. The international nature of Palestinian nationality is derived not only from the fact that the “Mandatory does not have sovereignty over territory”, but from the many international factors inherited with in that nationality. These factors include : the mandate as an international system, the involvement of the League of Nations; state succession; the recognition of Palestinian nationality by other states; the diplomatic protection afforded to Palestinians abroad; naturalization of foreigners; immigration and return; the effects of multilateral nationality conventions in Palestine; and the ultimate role of the United Nations in defining the nationality in the country.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf​

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

 

[Phoenall]

Which international borders are those then, under what treaty where they agreed and who signed for them on behalf of Israel, Jordan and Egypt ?

I have searched the internet and cant find any mention of a state of Palestine having international borders. What I do find is the islamonazi misconception that the borders of the mandate of Palestine are the borders of the state of Palestine.


The land given to them in 1923 that delineated the borders of Jewish Palestine under the same treaty that delineated the borders of trans jordan

Palestine's international borders are referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements.

BTW, that was after the Mandate left Palestine.

Those where the mandate of Palestine's borders if you look again, as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988. You lose again

No the British left Palestine the Mandate is still in place, once again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate.
Another loss to you


Now show where the international borders of the nation of Palestine were delineated by treaty, and not the mandate of Palestine borders. Also the borders of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are not the borders of the nation of Palestine until the P.A. agrees them with those neighbours

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no land or borders.

In the case of Palestine, nationality is relevant to international law because, chiefly, “the status of the inhabitants of Mandated... Territories cannot be a domestic question”. The international nature of Palestinian nationality is derived not only from the fact that the “Mandatory does not have sovereignty over territory”, but from the many international factors inherited with in that nationality. These factors include : the mandate as an international system, the involvement of the League of Nations; state succession; the recognition of Palestinian nationality by other states; the diplomatic protection afforded to Palestinians abroad; naturalization of foreigners; immigration and return; the effects of multilateral nationality conventions in Palestine; and the ultimate role of the United Nations in defining the nationality in the country.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf​

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine's international borders are referenced in the 1949 UN armistice agreements.

BTW, that was after the Mandate left Palestine.

Those where the mandate of Palestine's borders if you look again, as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988. You lose again

No the British left Palestine the Mandate is still in place, once again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate.
Another loss to you


Now show where the international borders of the nation of Palestine were delineated by treaty, and not the mandate of Palestine borders. Also the borders of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are not the borders of the nation of Palestine until the P.A. agrees them with those neighbours

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no land or borders.

In the case of Palestine, nationality is relevant to international law because, chiefly, “the status of the inhabitants of Mandated... Territories cannot be a domestic question”. The international nature of Palestinian nationality is derived not only from the fact that the “Mandatory does not have sovereignty over territory”, but from the many international factors inherited with in that nationality. These factors include : the mandate as an international system, the involvement of the League of Nations; state succession; the recognition of Palestinian nationality by other states; the diplomatic protection afforded to Palestinians abroad; naturalization of foreigners; immigration and return; the effects of multilateral nationality conventions in Palestine; and the ultimate role of the United Nations in defining the nationality in the country.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf​

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

 

[Phoenall]

Those where the mandate of Palestine's borders if you look again, as there was never a nation of Palestine until 1988. You lose again

No the British left Palestine the Mandate is still in place, once again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate.
Another loss to you


Now show where the international borders of the nation of Palestine were delineated by treaty, and not the mandate of Palestine borders. Also the borders of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are not the borders of the nation of Palestine until the P.A. agrees them with those neighbours

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no land or borders.

In the case of Palestine, nationality is relevant to international law because, chiefly, “the status of the inhabitants of Mandated... Territories cannot be a domestic question”. The international nature of Palestinian nationality is derived not only from the fact that the “Mandatory does not have sovereignty over territory”, but from the many international factors inherited with in that nationality. These factors include : the mandate as an international system, the involvement of the League of Nations; state succession; the recognition of Palestinian nationality by other states; the diplomatic protection afforded to Palestinians abroad; naturalization of foreigners; immigration and return; the effects of multilateral nationality conventions in Palestine; and the ultimate role of the United Nations in defining the nationality in the country.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf​

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no land or borders.

In the case of Palestine, nationality is relevant to international law because, chiefly, “the status of the inhabitants of Mandated... Territories cannot be a domestic question”. The international nature of Palestinian nationality is derived not only from the fact that the “Mandatory does not have sovereignty over territory”, but from the many international factors inherited with in that nationality. These factors include : the mandate as an international system, the involvement of the League of Nations; state succession; the recognition of Palestinian nationality by other states; the diplomatic protection afforded to Palestinians abroad; naturalization of foreigners; immigration and return; the effects of multilateral nationality conventions in Palestine; and the ultimate role of the United Nations in defining the nationality in the country.

https://doc.rero.ch/record/9065/files/these.pdf​

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

That does not answer the question.

 

[Hollie]

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

That does not answer the question.

Actually, it does. All of this has been addressed and presented to you before.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

That does not answer the question.

Actually, it does. All of this has been addressed and presented to you before.

No it doesn't. Where is Transjordan called Arab Palestine?

 

[Phoenall]

Once again you confuse the British madate with the mandate of Palestine. Or is this deliberate because to admit the Mandate of palestune is to admit that the Jews own 22% of it under international law.

Your link is invalid as it has been shown to be propaganda, lies and blood libels . It is the author of your link that is filling your head with rubbish and brainwashing an already challenged mentality into believing that the LoN did not exist, the Ottomans/Turks did not surrender and they did not pass on sovereignty to the LoN.




The British mandate was a temporarily assigned administration that was answerable to the LoN who implemented the mandate system back in 1917.The actual mandate of Palestine was an entity as was the other mandates in place. Or are you now saying that all the muslim nations in the M.E. have no more validity than you declare Israel has ?

Where do you get this shit?

Seriously, Where do you get this shit?

Nice deflection though.

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

That does not answer the question.

Only if you don't like seeing the truth, if you know the truth then it answers your question 100%

 

[Phoenall]

From the LoN archives, the UN archives and historical documents. The LoN set up 4 (5) mandates in the M.E. and appointed mandatories to oversee the peoples striving for free determination and the ability to stand on their own. You believe that there was only 1 mandate and that was the British mandate. The British were just appointed overseer's of the mandate of Palestine which included Jordan as the arab Palestine. That part of Palestine was not signed of until 1946 and handed to Jordan as its people showed the had free determination and could stand alone.

You deny everything that is in Israel's and the Jews favour forgetting that the same treaties and international law apply in the arab muslims favour as well

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

That does not answer the question.

Actually, it does. All of this has been addressed and presented to you before.

No it doesn't. Where is Transjordan called Arab Palestine?

In the meetings that set up the mandate of Palestine ( not to be confused with the British mandatory ) As I keep telling you, you need to read all the reports on the mandate and not just those touted by islamonazi terrorist propagandists.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jordan as the arab Palestine​

Could you quote the passage that says that and provide the link?

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

That does not answer the question.

Actually, it does. All of this has been addressed and presented to you before.

No it doesn't. Where is Transjordan called Arab Palestine?

In the meetings that set up the mandate of Palestine ( not to be confused with the British mandatory ) As I keep telling you, you need to read all the reports on the mandate and not just those touted by islamonazi terrorist propagandists.

Which parts do you think I missed?

 

[Phoenall]

Mandate of Palestine. or haven't you been able to understand it yet when it talks about the creation of transjordan

That does not answer the question.

Actually, it does. All of this has been addressed and presented to you before.

No it doesn't. Where is Transjordan called Arab Palestine?

In the meetings that set up the mandate of Palestine ( not to be confused with the British mandatory ) As I keep telling you, you need to read all the reports on the mandate and not just those touted by islamonazi terrorist propagandists.

Which parts do you think I missed?

All the ones that support and defend the Jews and Israel and work in their favour, you miss so much that you even confuse the legal entity the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate. Two clearly separate and different beasts that are often quoted together as if they are the same thing. Start your education by finding out how many mandates were set up, and where they were in the world. A clue is most were in Africa

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Phoenall]

And again all you have is islamonazi talking points from an islamonazi propaganda source, no actual factual information. So rather than face up to your inadequacies and inabilities you deflect away from the points raised.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This was moving off topic in the other thread so I thought I would move it over here.
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P F Tinmore, et al,

I got the distinct impression that you were suggesting that there was a Palestinian State, recognized for Arab Palestinians in 1932. Is that not what you were implying?

"And let's not forget that the US recognized Palestine as a state in 1932."

P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's try to be just a little bit objective.

You are trying to confuse people. In the late 1930's there was an issue brought before the Permanent International Court of Justice (PICJ) concerning the status of the Mandatory (Britain) relative to its status as the Government of Palestine. After the PICJ Judgment, it became commonly accepted that Britain was, acting in its capacity as the Mandatory, was the Government of Palestine. This was held true up to May 1948.

Nice deflection. This does not respond to my post.

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Don't try to confuse people with the nuances that distinguish the Government of Palestine (under the Mandate for Palestine) with the 1988 PLO Declaration of Independence that established the State of Palestine.

I find it amusing that you would say in one moment that you don't understand the content, then turn around and use my source.

View attachment 70963​

Most Respectfully,
R

Don't try to confuse people with the nuances that distinguish the Government of Palestine (under the Mandate for Palestine) with the 1988 PLO Declaration of Independence that established the State of Palestine.​

I don't You are the one who brings that up.

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You are confused again. One more time!!!

"You did, however, post some things that confirm my position that Palestine is a state. How the principles of the cession of states were applied by the Treaty of Lausanne and the Palestinian citizenship order of 1925."

Cession: When the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced all rights and title --- transferring Allied Specified territory, within such boundaries as may be fixed by Allies, to the Allied Powers, --- this is called acquisition by cession. It takes place in favour of such later state, the Allied Powers. "The cession of territory may be voluntary or maybe under compulsion as a result of war and the ensuing Treaty of Peace."
See: Acquisition of Territorial Sovereignty
See: The Acquisition of Title to Territory

Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for the link. United Nations Audiovisual Library of International Law
It confirms almost everything I said.

You stated in one of your posts:

• The Treaty of Lausanne and the Palestinian citizenship order of 1925 have NO relationship to the idea of independence and sovereignty.

I beg to differ. Palestine was a successor state. What was said and done?

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

And what successor state got this territory and nationality? Palestine.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So, who has the authority to change that?

 

[Phoenall]

This was moving off topic in the other thread so I thought I would move it over here.
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P F Tinmore, et al,

I got the distinct impression that you were suggesting that there was a Palestinian State, recognized for Arab Palestinians in 1932. Is that not what you were implying?

"And let's not forget that the US recognized Palestine as a state in 1932."

P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's try to be just a little bit objective.

You are trying to confuse people. In the late 1930's there was an issue brought before the Permanent International Court of Justice (PICJ) concerning the status of the Mandatory (Britain) relative to its status as the Government of Palestine. After the PICJ Judgment, it became commonly accepted that Britain was, acting in its capacity as the Mandatory, was the Government of Palestine. This was held true up to May 1948.

Nice deflection. This does not respond to my post.

(COMMENT)

Don't try to confuse people with the nuances that distinguish the Government of Palestine (under the Mandate for Palestine) with the 1988 PLO Declaration of Independence that established the State of Palestine.

I find it amusing that you would say in one moment that you don't understand the content, then turn around and use my source.

View attachment 70963​

Most Respectfully,
R

Don't try to confuse people with the nuances that distinguish the Government of Palestine (under the Mandate for Palestine) with the 1988 PLO Declaration of Independence that established the State of Palestine.​

I don't You are the one who brings that up.

(COMMENT)

You are confused again. One more time!!!

"You did, however, post some things that confirm my position that Palestine is a state. How the principles of the cession of states were applied by the Treaty of Lausanne and the Palestinian citizenship order of 1925."

Cession: When the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced all rights and title --- transferring Allied Specified territory, within such boundaries as may be fixed by Allies, to the Allied Powers, --- this is called acquisition by cession. It takes place in favour of such later state, the Allied Powers. "The cession of territory may be voluntary or maybe under compulsion as a result of war and the ensuing Treaty of Peace."
See: Acquisition of Territorial Sovereignty
See: The Acquisition of Title to Territory

Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for the link. United Nations Audiovisual Library of International Law
It confirms almost everything I said.

You stated in one of your posts:

• The Treaty of Lausanne and the Palestinian citizenship order of 1925 have NO relationship to the idea of independence and sovereignty.

I beg to differ. Palestine was a successor state. What was said and done?

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

And what successor state got this territory and nationality? Palestine.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

So, who has the authority to change that?

Who says it was a successor state then, as it is not mentioned in any LoN treaty as such.


And the state that the territory was transferred to was the British mandatory, made very clear in the LoN mandate of Palestine.

Under the British mandatory not as a state in its own right, again spelt out in your source and the LoN mandate of palestine