The next offensive must focus on decimating the IRGC.

[multivita-man]

They have had water stress like a lot countries in the region. Unlike Gulf States and Israel, most of their water is fresh water. If Israel or the US goes after Iran's water treatment, Iran takes out Israel and Gulf States desal plants. Lights out.

You don't understand. Iran has planned every single possible angle and aspect to this war for the last 20-25 years because they knew it was coming. They actually didn't think it would happen now, when the US and Israel were so visibly completely low on munitions. Iran prepared for a much stronger opponent than what they got.

 

[Man With A Plan]

They have had water stress like a lot countries in the region. Unlike Gulf States and Israel, most of their water is fresh water. If Israel or the US goes after Iran's water treatment, Iran takes out Israel and Gulf States desal plants.

Lights out.

That's not water stress...that's what is referred to as water "bankruptcy"!

 

[multivita-man]

That's not water stress...that's what is referred to as water "bankruptcy"!

This water "bankruptcy" isn't a new situation. They've been dealing with it for years.

 

[Man With A Plan]

This water "bankruptcy" isn't a new situation. They've been dealing with it for years.

They haven't been dealing with it...that's the point. Now it's reached the critical stage and is just one more thing that is pushing the Iranian people to rise up. This water crisis was caused by the IRGC and the people know it.

 

[jacksonlamb]

None of those 30 ships are bringing oil from Iran or delivering goods to Iran! The US is opening the Straight of Hormus to ships from other countries but the blockade against the Iranians is still in place.

Prove it. You can't. They were, thus, all loaded with oil.

Iran requires permits, and the shipping companies are paying them.

No, Trump is in charge of only his little rubber ducky in the strait of his bathtub.

 

[multivita-man]

They haven't been dealing with it...that's the point. Now it's reached the critical stage and is just one more thing that is pushing the Iranian people to rise up. This water crisis was caused by the IRGC and the people know it.

Nope - that's how I know you're posting bullshit. The Iranian people aren't rising up against their government because they trust their own government more than whatever outcome the US and Israel have in mind. Mind you, I'm not denying many Iranians don't necessarily like their regime, but they'll take it over the alternative. Iran will also get help from neighbors, such as China, Russia, Pakistan, and others.

We're not going to succeed. Sorry. I know you want to believe otherwise, but Iran is pushing us out of the Persian Gulf.

Deal.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Prove it. You can't. They were, thus, all loaded with oil.

Iran requires permits, and the shipping companies are paying them.

No, Trump is in charge of only his little rubber ducky in the strait of his bathtub.

No, Xi issued a joint statement with Trump saying the Strait must be opened and Iran complied.

U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed that the Strait of Hormuz "must remain open" to ensure the free flow of global energy, according to a White House statement released during their high-stakes summit in Beijing. [1, 2]
The rare diplomatic consensus comes amid severe disruptions to global shipping caused by the ongoing military conflict involving Iran, which has largely blocked the vital waterway. [1, 2]

Key Details of the Agreement

• Energy Security: Both leaders emphasized that the strait is critical for global markets, supporting the unobstructed movement of oil and liquefied natural gas (LNG).
• No Militarization or Tolls: President Xi expressed firm opposition to the "militarization of the Strait of Hormuz" and any attempts by regional actors to impose transit fees or tolls on passing commercial vessels.
• Nuclear Non-Proliferation: Both heads of state explicitly reaffirmed that Iran must never be allowed to acquire a nuclear weapon.
• Weapon Restrictions: President Trump stated in an interview following the meeting that President Xi strongly pledged not to supply military equipment or weapons to aid Iran. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Strategic Context and Omissions
While the White House readout highlighted the mutual agreement on the Strait of Hormuz, the two superpowers are navigating independent strategic priorities: [1, 2, 3]

• China's Pivot to U.S. Oil: Due to its heavy reliance on Middle Eastern crude passing through the blocked strait, China expressed a strong interest in increasing its purchases of American oil to mitigate future transit vulnerabilities, though Beijing omitted this detail from its own official domestic readout.

Google AI

 

[multivita-man]

No, Xi issued a joint statement with Trump saying the Strait must be opened and Iran complied.

U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed that the Strait of Hormuz "must remain open" to ensure the free flow of global energy, according to a White House statement released during their high-stakes summit in Beijing. [1, 2]
The rare diplomatic consensus comes amid severe disruptions to global shipping caused by the ongoing military conflict involving Iran, which has largely blocked the vital waterway. [1, 2]

Key Details of the Agreement

• Energy Security: Both leaders emphasized that the strait is critical for global markets, supporting the unobstructed movement of oil and liquefied natural gas (LNG).
• No Militarization or Tolls: President Xi expressed firm opposition to the "militarization of the Strait of Hormuz" and any attempts by regional actors to impose transit fees or tolls on passing commercial vessels.
• Nuclear Non-Proliferation: Both heads of state explicitly reaffirmed that Iran must never be allowed to acquire a nuclear weapon.
• Weapon Restrictions: President Trump stated in an interview following the meeting that President Xi strongly pledged not to supply military equipment or weapons to aid Iran. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Strategic Context and Omissions
While the White House readout highlighted the mutual agreement on the Strait of Hormuz, the two superpowers are navigating independent strategic priorities: [1, 2, 3]

• China's Pivot to U.S. Oil: Due to its heavy reliance on Middle Eastern crude passing through the blocked strait, China expressed a strong interest in increasing its purchases of American oil to mitigate future transit vulnerabilities, though Beijing omitted this detail from its own official domestic readout.

Google AI

Nope, there's nothing that China said with reference to the current conflict. China desires open trade, freedom of navigation - that position doesn't refer to the current conflict.

AI isn't a source, btw.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nope, there's nothing that China said with reference to the current conflict. China desires open trade, freedom of navigation - that position doesn't refer to the current conflict.

AI isn't a source, btw.

By any objective measure, AI is the best source.

Nope, there's nothing that China said with reference to the current conflict. China desires open trade, freedom of navigation - that position doesn't refer to the current conflict.

AI isn't a source, btw.

By any objective measure, AI is the best source. We don't know what was actually said in the meetings, only the public statements as reported in the press, but China doesn't have a free press, so it is not a good source, and there have been no public statements from the Chinese government disavowing the US claims, so there is no reason to doubt them.

 

[Zavulon]

By any objective measure, AI is the best source.

By any objective measure, AI is the best source. We don't know what was actually said in the meetings, only the public statements as reported in the press, but China doesn't have a free press, so it is not a good source, and there have been no public statements from the Chinese government disavowing the US claims, so there is no reason to doubt them.

But there is no reason to believe US statements, either. When Oriental people say "yes" or just keep silence, it doesn't mean that they agree with you. It also may mean that they had listened you.

 

[toomuchtime_]

But there is no reason to believe US statements, either. When Oriental people say "yes" or just keep silence, it doesn't mean that they agree with you. It also may mean that they had listened you.

Xi has raised no objections to the US reports about what was agreed to so there is no reason to doubt the US statement.

No one talks about "oriental people" except 19th century European imperialists.

 

[Zavulon]

Xi has raised no objections to the US reports about what was agreed to so there is no reason to doubt the US statement.

There is always reason to doubt US statements, especially, Trump's posts in Truth social. He loves loud words and empty statements. And, say, Middle East Spectator posted that Chines ships are ready to pay tolls, they just don't want to name it "tolls".

And if America also allows Chinese ships go through "counterblockade", it practically means effective end of it.

No one talks about "oriental people" except 19th century European imperialists.

It simply not true. It was still popular in 20th century, and even now many people use it. Especially Orientals.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Nope, there's nothing that China said with reference to the current conflict. China desires open trade, freedom of navigation - that position doesn't refer to the current conflict.

AI isn't a source, btw.

It cites sources on which it is built.

 

[jacksonlamb]

But there is no reason to believe US statements, either. When Oriental people say "yes" or just keep silence, it doesn't mean that they agree with you. It also may mean that they had listened you.

No, since you are a Russian bot, there is no reason to believe you.

 

[multivita-man]

By any objective measure, AI is the best source.

You clearly don't understand how AI works. AI is a prediction and fetch machine - maybe a better version of OG Google Search back in the day. But it's not a source. I've used AI myself when I'm lazy, but I (usually) it's still not a source.

China has not agreed to intervene on behalf of the United States re Iran because China wants Iran to win. China wants the US out of the Persian Gulf as much as Iran does. China understands that at least part of the motivation behind the attempted regime change in Iran was to cut China off from Iranian oil, so the idea that they're going to forget that and help Iran open the Strait before Iran is ready is bullshit. I know that's what most of the idiotic Western press has printed, but it's not true.

 

[Zincwarrior]

None of those 30 ships are bringing oil from Iran or delivering goods to Iran! The US is opening the Straight of Hormus to ships from other countries but the blockade against the Iranians is still in place.

Straits guys its spelled Strait

 

[luiza]

You clearly don't understand how AI works. AI is a prediction and fetch machine - maybe a better version of OG Google Search back in the day. But it's not a source. I've used AI myself when I'm lazy, but I (usually) it's still not a source.

China has not agreed to intervene on behalf of the United States re Iran because China wants Iran to win. China wants the US out of the Persian Gulf as much as Iran does. China understands that at least part of the motivation behind the attempted regime change in Iran was to cut China off from Iranian oil, so the idea that they're going to forget that and help Iran open the Strait before Iran is ready is bullshit. I know that's what most of the idiotic Western press has printed, but it's not true.

I can picture Jum Ping listening with apparent attention to Motor Mouth Trumpfy , regularly nodding whilst marvelling how naive and simple he is.

Is China really going to stop buying from Iran because of a few Trumpfy promises ?
Really ?

And is the Sun blue with green spots ?

.

 

[Zincwarrior]

This water "bankruptcy" isn't a new situation. They've been dealing with it for years.

Tehran, like Corpus Christi, almost ran out of water last year, as in they were planning mass evacuations.

Iran is imploding just fine without us. Fund some guerilla movements and support the Gulf States building rail and pipeline networks: welcome to 1880 guys!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Nope, there's nothing that China said with reference to the current conflict. China desires open trade, freedom of navigation - that position doesn't refer to the current conflict.

AI isn't a source, btw.

If China cared we would be seeing its navy going there or maybe politely sending two million troops through Pakistan to motivate them.

 

[luiza]

Straits guys its spelled Strait

I expect it is Straight in parts .
Particularly the part that is the Straight Strait where the Cheeky Ones congregate to wave at passing traffic .

But you should encourage Munchers because many of them try very hard to cope with the nuances of Geo Political posturing and full blooded Theatre .