The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The A/RES/181 (II) was a "RECOMMENDATION" and not a binding agreement requiring implementation.

The problem was with resolution 181. Britain would not implement it. The Security Council would not implement it. It was widely condemned around the world.

Not so with other GA Resolutions.

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The National Council for the Jewish State established the State of Israel under the Right of Self-Determination. The UN did not execute any authority in the matter. The approval by the General Assembly was not "required" when Self-Determination is exercised.

Remember, the Jewish population was "Palestinian" under Citizenship Law in the same way as the Arab Palestinian. The UN did not grant Sovereignty to anyone.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Remember, the Jewish population was "Palestinian" under Citizenship Law in the same way as the Arab Palestinian.

And now they are Israeli. Different animal.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Remember, the Jewish population was "Palestinian" under Citizenship Law in the same way as the Arab Palestinian.

I will disagree with that. The "immigration policy" was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes and best interest of the majority of the people.

The settlers had no intention of being Palestinian. They led separate lives and had no allegence to the country. Their stated goal was colonialism and conquest.

 

[Hollie]

I will disagree with that. The "immigration policy" was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes and best interest of the majority of the people.

The settlers had no intention of being Palestinian. They led separate lives and had no allegence to the country. Their stated goal was colonialism and conquest.

Allegiance to what country? The country you invented as being invented earlier by the Treaty of Lausanne?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

So.... no "country", thus no need or requirement for allegiance. Inventing a history you would prefer as opposed to accepting the facts is sometimes called a maladjusted personality.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[rylah]

I will disagree with that. The "immigration policy" was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes and best interest of the majority of the people.

Disagree all you want, but international law is not a popularity contest.

there's a point of a gun behind every policy,
and that gun was imposed in no less a consequence
of the Arab choice to side with Britain and its military campaign.

That immigration nevertheless, with its community organization and talent brought
drastic improvement in quality of life of all involved already prior to British involvement. Infrastructure, sanitation and economy improved, life expectancy raised above any country.

The settlers had no intention of being Palestinian. They led separate lives and had no allegence to the country. Their stated goal was colonialism and conquest.

Intention to build and re-constitute the native civilization, as required by law,
or submit to Arab supremacists who can't even pronounce the name of the place?

Separate life is not how you revive the land,
expand central cities and revive the local language.

Want to talk about allegiance, and even connection to the country,
then how Arab arguments about colonialism and conquest even make sense,
fighting on the side of the Brits, instead of independence, demanding to cede all
territory to the rule of an Arabian prince from Mecca as today, declaring it an Arab colony.

 

[rylah]

Talks about 'being Palestinians' and allegiance,
posts a video of the Hagag family picking up
Ethrogs for the Jewish festival of Sukkot...

 

[P F Tinmore]

Disagree all you want, but international law is not a popularity contest.

there's a point of a gun behind every policy,
and that gun was imposed in no less a consequence
of the Arab choice to side with Britain and its military campaign.

That immigration nevertheless, with its community organization and talent brought
drastic improvement in quality of life of all involved already prior to British involvement. Infrastructure, sanitation and economy improved, life expectancy raised above any country.



Intention to build and re-constitute the native civilization, as required by law,
or submit to Arab supremacists who can't even pronounce the name of the place?

Separate life is not how you revive the land,
expand central cities and revive the local language.

Want to talk about allegiance, and even connection to the country,
then how Arab arguments about colonialism and conquest even make sense,
fighting on the side of the Brits, instead of independence, demanding to cede all
territory to the rule of an Arabian prince from Mecca as today, declaring it an Arab colony.

All that fluff is well and good, however, Israel's biggest problem is that it has never legally acquired any territory.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: P F Tinmore - It does not matter one little bit what you think is "This or That." Especially when it comes to a nation that is more than a half-Century old (Israel). The audacity to challenge what is "legally acquired territory" and what is not, is incredulous • if not • just plain incredible.

All that fluff is well and good, however, Israel's biggest problem is that it has never legally acquired any territory.

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No one is going to roll back the clock and let an alternative history play out - in favor of the incapable Arab Palestinians who could not engage one decision that would turn out in their favor (not one) on the side of peace and prosperity. There is no instant replay. If you want to help make a better world for the Arab Palestinians, then look in the toolbox for today. Constantly being part of a culture that is forever stuck in the past is a losing proposition. You have to start today and look into the future. It. is not about pursuing a conflict; but, rather focusing on a future.

The Arab Palestinians have to begin rebuilding their culture - starting on a foundation of peace and stability. You cannot stop the clock. Every day the Arab Palestinians waste, only instills the image that all they can do is be a disruptive influence.

Quit the nonsense of always looking in the past at what could have been --- look at today and build a better tomorrow. If it is just one step at a time - the future is infinite.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: P F Tinmore - It does not matter one little bit what you think is "This or That." Especially when it comes to a nation that is more than a half-Century old (Israel). The audacity to challenge what is "legally acquired territory" and what is not, is incredulous • if not • just plain incredible.


(COMMENT)
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No one is going to roll back the clock and let an alternative history play out - in favor of the incapable Arab Palestinians who could not engage one decision that would turn out in their favor (not one) on the side of peace and prosperity. There is no instant replay. If you want to help make a better world for the Arab Palestinians, then look in the toolbox for today. Constantly being part of a culture that is forever stuck in the past is a losing proposition. You have to start today and look into the future. It. is not about pursuing a conflict; but, rather focusing on a future.

The Arab Palestinians have to begin rebuilding their culture - starting on a foundation of peace and stability. You cannot stop the clock. Every day the Arab Palestinians waste, only instills the image that all they can do is be a disruptive influence.

Quit the nonsense of always looking in the past at what could have been --- look at today and build a better tomorrow. If it is just one step at a time - the future is infinite.


Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that was a commendable duck of my post.

Crimes always happen in the past.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The settlers had no intention of being Palestinian.

Kind of like the entire Arab world today..............

 

[John T. Ford]

This thread was created in order to attempt to fix the significant derailment of another thread without having to delete posts.

The topic of this thread is one that comes up with regularity in IP, and is also a frequent derailer of active threads so it will now have a thread of it's own which will be pinned as a "stickie".

I apologize ahead of time for the bumpy discontinuous beginnig of this, but I think it will smooth out as discussion goes on.

The topic is: The history involving the creation of Israel, the British Mandate, and the applicable actions of the UN in that history.

Anti-Semitism will ALWAYS be recognized by NORMAL THINKING AMERICANS !!!

 

[rylah]

All that fluff is well and good, however, Israel's biggest problem is that it has never legally acquired any territory.

But really that's the problem of the Arab supremacists ,
who think intentional law is a popularity contests.

Now tell us - between the river and the sea, what territory
was ever legally defined by any other sovereign
than the re-constitution of the Jewish nation?

 

[P F Tinmore]

But really that's the problem of the Arab supremacists ,
who think intentional law is a popularity contests.

Now tell us - between the river and the sea, what territory
was ever legally defined by any other sovereign
than the re-constitution of the Jewish nation?

Good question. Israel does not have any defined territory.

 

[rylah]

Good question. Israel does not have any defined territory.

Is that why the borders of Palestine
are defined by re-constitution of the Jewish nation?

See, the main problem with the Arab narrative, is that it tries
to compensate for its own weaknesses, that are exactly Israel's strength.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is that why the borders of Palestine
are defined by re-constitution of the Jewish nation?

See, the problem with the Arab narrative is that it focuses
in compensating for weaknesses that are exactly Israel's strength.

More Israeli bullshit.

Palestine's international borders were defined by 1922.

 

[rylah]

More Israeli bullshit.

Palestine's international borders were defined by 1922.

Indeed, borders defined explicitly
with the re-constitution of the Jewish nation.