The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Hollie]

given that the HoAP will not provide any reparations and restitution for violations to Article 68 of the IV Geneva Convention, and criminal acts taken against the people and the State of Israel since the inception

You're joking, right?

It is unlikely that Israel will reward the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) (Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters) criminals all,

Oh geese, another name calling thread.

Oh duck, another drop ten and.... drop another ten.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is just another example of just how blind the Arab Palestinians are when they look in the mirror.

given that the HoAP will not provide any reparations and restitution for violations to Article 68 of the IV Geneva Convention, and criminal acts taken against the people and the State of Israel since the inception

You're joking, right?

(COMMENT)

Forgetting the Ilan Pappe types - those are people - still hung-up on what happened in the distant past, that want to force unpopular political sets of solutions onto the problem. For people like Ilan Pappe there is ground truth hidden behind the fog of prpaganda. There are solutions that if forced onto the situation, will be far more damaging and destructive to the Arab Palestinian cause then anything they considered. They are not worried about people or cultures. Over 90% of the Arab Palestinians have never lived in Israel and have little or no ties with Israel. Most of the Arab Palestinians have burned the bridges in front of them that might have crossed into a new and better way of life.

As far as far as Reparations and Restitution goes:

Article 35 Restitution

A State responsible for an internationally wrongful act is under an obligation to make restitution, that is, to re-establish the situation which existed before the wrongful act was committed, provided and to the extent that restitution: (a) is not materially impossible; (b) does not involve a burden out of all proportion to the benefit deriving from restitution instead of compensation.

If it does turnout that the territories under dispute are ruled (say by the ICC) to be a "state," that could cause the Arab Palestinians more difficulty then they have ever imagined.

reparation ‘It is a principle of international law that the breach of an engagement involves
an obligation to make reparation in an adequate form. Reparation therefore is the indispensable
complement of a failure to apply a convention and there is no necessity for this to
be stated in the convention itself.

restitution The fundamental principle governing the duty to make reparation for an
internationally wrongful act was expressed by the P.C.I.J. in the Chorzów Factory
(Indemnity) (Merits) Case (1927) P.C.I.J., Ser. A, No. 17 at 47: ‘reparation must, as far as
possible, wipe out all the consequences of the illegal act and reestablish the situation which
would, in all probability, have existed if that act had not been committed’. Thus, it appears
that restitutio in integrum is the primary form of reparation, pecuniary reparation only
applying where restitution in not possible.

It is unlikely that Israel will reward the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) (Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters) criminals all,

Oh geese, another name calling thread.

(COMMENT)

Each terrorist act, in and by itself is a crime.

"Name calling" is only "name calling" if the accusation is unfounded. Otherwise, it is a descriptive noun.

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This may have been overtaken by WWII and the subsequent 19(+) Counterterrorism Conventions, the definition still rings true. And it fits the Arab Palestinians perfectly.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is just another example of just how blind the Arab Palestinians are when they look in the mirror.

given that the HoAP will not provide any reparations and restitution for violations to Article 68 of the IV Geneva Convention, and criminal acts taken against the people and the State of Israel since the inception

You're joking, right?

(COMMENT)

Forgetting the Ilan Pappe types - those are people - still hung-up on what happened in the distant past, that want to force unpopular political sets of solutions onto the problem. For people like Ilan Pappe there is ground truth hidden behind the fog of prpaganda. There are solutions that if forced onto the situation, will be far more damaging and destructive to the Arab Palestinian cause then anything they considered. They are not worried about people or cultures. Over 90% of the Arab Palestinians have never lived in Israel and have little or no ties with Israel. Most of the Arab Palestinians have burned the bridges in front of them that might have crossed into a new and better way of life.

As far as far as Reparations and Restitution goes:

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Article 35 Restitution ​

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A State responsible for an internationally wrongful act is under an obligation to make restitution, that is, to re-establish the situation which existed before the wrongful act was committed, provided and to the extent that restitution: (a) is not materially impossible; (b) does not involve a burden out of all proportion to the benefit deriving from restitution instead of compensation.​

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If it does turnout that the territories under dispute are ruled (say by the ICC) to be a "state," that could cause the Arab Palestinians more difficulty then they have ever imagined.

reparation ‘It is a principle of international law that the breach of an engagement involves
an obligation to make reparation in an adequate form. Reparation therefore is the indispensable
complement of a failure to apply a convention and there is no necessity for this to
be stated in the convention itself.

restitution The fundamental principle governing the duty to make reparation for an
internationally wrongful act was expressed by the P.C.I.J. in the Chorzów Factory
(Indemnity) (Merits) Case (1927) P.C.I.J., Ser. A, No. 17 at 47: ‘reparation must, as far as
possible, wipe out all the consequences of the illegal act and reestablish the situation which
would, in all probability, have existed if that act had not been committed’. Thus, it appears
that restitutio in integrum is the primary form of reparation, pecuniary reparation only
applying where restitution in not possible.

It is unlikely that Israel will reward the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) (Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters) criminals all,

Oh geese, another name calling thread.

(COMMENT)

Each terrorist act, in and by itself is a crime.

"Name calling" is only "name calling" if the accusation is unfounded. Otherwise, it is a descriptive noun.

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This may have been overtaken by WWII and the subsequent 19(+) Counterterrorism Conventions, the definition still rings true. And it fits the Arab Palestinians perfectly.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't know how to respond to this. Your contradictions are bouncing around like a football.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Each terrorist act, in and by itself is a crime.

"Name calling" is only "name calling" if the accusation is unfounded. Otherwise, it is a descriptive noun.

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OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is never an excuse for terrorism.

◈ “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,” Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon declared at the opening of a high-level meeting of the Security Council today, capped by a presidential statement expressing that body’s deep concern over the terrorist threat and its determination to combat it by all means in all its forms and manifestations, in line with the United Nations Charter and international law. (Security Council SC/10882)​

Each terrorist act, in and by itself is a crime.
"Name calling" is only "name calling" if the accusation is unfounded. Otherwise, it is a descriptive noun.

OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive.

(COMMENT)

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

✪ Every time someone in the Gaza Strip sends an incendiary balloon over the border and into Israel, that is a criminal act.
✪ Every time someone sends an indiscriminate rocket of mortar over the border and into Israel, that is a criminal act.
✪ Every time an Arab Palestinian (including Senior Leaders) calls on the Palestinian people to execute violence, that is a criminal act.

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1997 International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings

Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.​

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"Explosive or other lethal device" means: ​

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(a) An explosive or incendiary weapon or device that is designed,or has the capability, to cause death, serious bodily injury or substantial material damage; or ​

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(b) A weapon or device that is designed, or has the capability, to cause death, serious bodily injury or substantial material damage through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic chemicals, biological agents or toxins or similar substances or radiation or radioactive material.​

Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to: (a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts; (b) Prevent such conduct; (c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct; [S/RES/1624 (2005)]

Calls upon all States to continue international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, in an effort to prevent the indiscriminate targeting of different religions and cultures, and to take all measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to counter incitement of terrorist acts motivated by extremism and intolerance and to prevent the subversion of educational, cultural, and religious institutions by terrorists and their supporters; [S/RES/1624 (2005)]

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Each terrorist act, in and by itself is a crime.

"Name calling" is only "name calling" if the accusation is unfounded. Otherwise, it is a descriptive noun.

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OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive.

They clearly are not defensive. Attacks on Israelis are not defensive.

Do you realize that offensive and defensive are spelled differently?

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

(a) An explosive or incendiary weapon or device that is designed,or has the capability, to cause death, serious bodily injury or substantial material damage; or

Like one ton bombs, Tomahawk missiles, and White Phosphorous.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is never an excuse for terrorism.

The Palestinians do not attack outside their own borders and only attack illegal settlers.

So, where is the terrorism?

 

[Hollie]

There is never an excuse for terrorism.

The Palestinians do not attack outside their own borders and only attack illegal settlers.

So, where is the terrorism?

That’s clearly false.

Identify the location of borders held by either of the Islamic terrorist enclaves; West Bank or Gaza.

Apparently you know nothing of the history of Pal Islamic terrorist attacks, or, you choose to ignore that history.

 

[Hollie]

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

Israeli targeting of locations used to conduct acts of war is not terrorism.

It was predictable you don’t understand some pretty basic concepts.

 

[Indeependent]

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

Israeli targeting of locations used to conduct acts of war is not terrorism.

It was predictable you don’t understand some pretty basic concepts.

Tinmore understands; he's just an Jew hater.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: In any retaliatory strike by Israel for criminal acts committed by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), and there is a needless Arab Palestinian death, then that death is the fault of the Arab Palestinians. Deaths arising from criminal acts committed by the HoAP, is a liability on the HoAP.

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

(COMMENT)

In the case of HoAP, and citizen sympathizers/collaborators with the HoAP, a huge proportion of the deaths are directly caused by:

◈ It is the duty of the HoAP to avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas. Each rocket fired from a densely populated area is a criminal offense.​

◈ It is the duty of the HoAP to remove Arab Palestinian citizens under their control from the vicinity of military objectives, each death occurs is an additional criminal offense.​

◈ Each time the HoAP violates the territorial integrity (in the air, on the ground, and below ground level) of the State of Israel to commit further criminal actions are dual offense. Any death that results is the fault of the Arab Palestinians.​

◈ Each time a Command and Control element attempts to shield itself from Israeli nuetralization is committing a criminal act. Any death that results is the fault of the Arab Palestinians.​

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For far too long have the HoAP crooks, criminals and low lifes, that try to act like resposnible leaders, --- used the " bombing family homes" as a from of vitimization to gain sympathy. They HoAP and Leadership need to stepup to the plate and accept responsibility for their action.

There is a very serious need to quit being a sissy and hiding behind the skirts of the civilian population (Rule #97).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

Israeli targeting of locations used to conduct acts of war is not terrorism.

It was predictable you don’t understand some pretty basic concepts.

Tinmore understands; he's just an Jew hater.

What's with the Jew hater thing? Did you run out of antisemite cards?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: In any retaliatory strike by Israel for criminal acts committed by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), and there is a needless Arab Palestinian death, then that death is the fault of the Arab Palestinians. Deaths arising from criminal acts committed by the HoAP, is a liability on the HoAP.

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

(COMMENT)

In the case of HoAP, and citizen sympathizers/collaborators with the HoAP, a huge proportion of the deaths are directly caused by:

◈ It is the duty of the HoAP to avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas. Each rocket fired from a densely populated area is a criminal offense.​

◈ It is the duty of the HoAP to remove Arab Palestinian citizens under their control from the vicinity of military objectives, each death occurs is an additional criminal offense.​

◈ Each time the HoAP violates the territorial integrity (in the air, on the ground, and below ground level) of the State of Israel to commit further criminal actions are dual offense. Any death that results is the fault of the Arab Palestinians.​

◈ Each time a Command and Control element attempts to shield itself from Israeli nuetralization is committing a criminal act. Any death that results is the fault of the Arab Palestinians.​

​

For far too long have the HoAP crooks, criminals and low lifes, that try to act like resposnible leaders, --- used the " bombing family homes" as a from of vitimization to gain sympathy. They HoAP and Leadership need to stepup to the plate and accept responsibility for their action.

There is a very serious need to quit being a sissy and hiding behind the skirts of the civilian population (Rule #97).

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, so many Israeli talking points. Do you have their book?

 

[Hollie]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: In any retaliatory strike by Israel for criminal acts committed by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), and there is a needless Arab Palestinian death, then that death is the fault of the Arab Palestinians. Deaths arising from criminal acts committed by the HoAP, is a liability on the HoAP.

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

(COMMENT)

In the case of HoAP, and citizen sympathizers/collaborators with the HoAP, a huge proportion of the deaths are directly caused by:

◈ It is the duty of the HoAP to avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas. Each rocket fired from a densely populated area is a criminal offense.​

◈ It is the duty of the HoAP to remove Arab Palestinian citizens under their control from the vicinity of military objectives, each death occurs is an additional criminal offense.​

◈ Each time the HoAP violates the territorial integrity (in the air, on the ground, and below ground level) of the State of Israel to commit further criminal actions are dual offense. Any death that results is the fault of the Arab Palestinians.​

◈ Each time a Command and Control element attempts to shield itself from Israeli nuetralization is committing a criminal act. Any death that results is the fault of the Arab Palestinians.​

​

For far too long have the HoAP crooks, criminals and low lifes, that try to act like resposnible leaders, --- used the " bombing family homes" as a from of vitimization to gain sympathy. They HoAP and Leadership need to stepup to the plate and accept responsibility for their action.

There is a very serious need to quit being a sissy and hiding behind the skirts of the civilian population (Rule #97).

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, so many Israeli talking points. Do you have their book?

WOW. Just more of your deflections and silly slogans.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Palestine"....failing for over 7 decades.

 

[rylah]

This is an admission of guilt. → "OK, but Palestinians actions are defensive." → “Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,”

So, Israel bombing family homes is terrorism.

No it is not.

Jihadi or any other cowards,
firing at population centers - intentionally from within population centers - is terrorism.

Whenever asked who's responsible for the casualties when militants intentionally place population in harms way, i.e fire from family homes and neighborhoods -
you refused to give an answer.

 

[rylah]

There is never an excuse for terrorism.

The Palestinians do not attack outside their own borders and only attack illegal settlers.

So, where is the terrorism?

Like when they murder athletes in Munich,
hijack a civilian plane in Sudan, massacre Christians in Lebanon and murder a US senator?