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What would be lawful and what not?
The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
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P F Tinmore
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Israel thumbs its nose at every UN resolution yet will hang its hat on this one.
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;
18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self determination and independence of all peoples stilI under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;
So, the UN issued an opinion.
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You should hold your breath, Palestine will form faster.
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RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
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I guess you'll have to believe what you want. But, Israel has been sovereign for three-quarters of a century. The West Bank and Jerusalem have been under the Israeli Umbrella for a half-century.
Believe what you will...
It is a matter of record.
The Jewish Agency accepted participation at every step along the way. What did Arab Palestine "persistence" ever get in terms of results??? When did the Arab Palestinian "persistence" advance the Palestinian Cause??? What gains have been made either politically, economically, industrially, commerically, or militarily???
Israel did not acquire any territory by military conquest that was prohibited by law. The occupation of the territory was a direct consequence of an imminent threat of invasion by the Arab League forces.
Article 2(4) of the UN Charter prohibits the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity.
This is a feel-good non-binding Resolution. It doesn't make a decree, Covanent, or binding arrangement. These "Rights" are NOT unique to "Palestinians." The Israelis have these same "Rights."
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R
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I guess you'll have to believe what you want. But, Israel has been sovereign for three-quarters of a century. The West Bank and Jerusalem have been under the Israeli Umbrella for a half-century.
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Believe what you will...
The Political History of Palestine under British Administration said:
UNPC FIRST MONTHLY PROGRESS REPORT TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL said:
It is a matter of record.
The Jewish Agency accepted participation at every step along the way. What did Arab Palestine "persistence" ever get in terms of results??? When did the Arab Palestinian "persistence" advance the Palestinian Cause??? What gains have been made either politically, economically, industrially, commerically, or militarily???
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Israel did not acquire any territory by military conquest that was prohibited by law. The occupation of the territory was a direct consequence of an imminent threat of invasion by the Arab League forces.
Article 2(4) of the UN Charter prohibits the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity.
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This is a feel-good non-binding Resolution. It doesn't make a decree, Covanent, or binding arrangement. These "Rights" are NOT unique to "Palestinians." The Israelis have these same "Rights."
Most Respectfully,
R
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Link to similar resolution for Israel.
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As my post states.
Is the UN the political body that grants “Rights”?
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No.
So, your request for a “similar resolution for Israel” served no purpose, right?
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RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
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P F Tinmore is correct. The UN is a vehicle to promulgate and document Customary and other various forms of international law. The UN is also the parent of the International Judicial System. And of course, the Security Council is a body that rules on usual practices associated with a particular international problems.
As an example, the UN established the Covenant that consolidates all the International Civil and Political Rights. These Covenants are enforceable only between the nations that signed-on to them. Similarly, the International Criminal Court (ICC) codified both the Rome Statues and the Elements of the Offense for each crime under its jurisdiction.
Does the organization grant rights or make laws, no. But those members can institute rights and law using the UN as the vehicle and prime mover.
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R
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P F Tinmore is correct. The UN is a vehicle to promulgate and document Customary and other various forms of international law. The UN is also the parent of the International Judicial System. And of course, the Security Council is a body that rules on usual practices associated with a particular international problems.
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As an example, the UN established the Covenant that consolidates all the International Civil and Political Rights. These Covenants are enforceable only between the nations that signed-on to them. Similarly, the International Criminal Court (ICC) codified both the Rome Statues and the Elements of the Offense for each crime under its jurisdiction.
Does the organization grant rights or make laws, no. But those members can institute rights and law using the UN as the vehicle and prime mover.
Most Respectfully,
R
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Indeed, The UN cannot create or deny universal rights. It cannot create or deny statehood. Recognizing a state is a political not a legal move. It cannot transfer territory or alter international borders.RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
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P F Tinmore is correct. The UN is a vehicle to promulgate and document Customary and other various forms of international law. The UN is also the parent of the International Judicial System. And of course, the Security Council is a body that rules on usual practices associated with a particular international problems.
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As an example, the UN established the Covenant that consolidates all the International Civil and Political Rights. These Covenants are enforceable only between the nations that signed-on to them. Similarly, the International Criminal Court (ICC) codified both the Rome Statues and the Elements of the Offense for each crime under its jurisdiction.
Does the organization grant rights or make laws, no. But those members can institute rights and law using the UN as the vehicle and prime mover.
Most Respectfully,
R
The UN cannot create international law. It merely states where already existing international law should apply.
Indeed, The UN cannot create or deny universal rights. It cannot create or deny statehood. Recognizing a state is a political not a legal move. It cannot transfer territory or alter international borders.RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
P F Tinmore is correct. The UN is a vehicle to promulgate and document Customary and other various forms of international law. The UN is also the parent of the International Judicial System. And of course, the Security Council is a body that rules on usual practices associated with a particular international problems.
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As an example, the UN established the Covenant that consolidates all the International Civil and Political Rights. These Covenants are enforceable only between the nations that signed-on to them. Similarly, the International Criminal Court (ICC) codified both the Rome Statues and the Elements of the Offense for each crime under its jurisdiction.
Does the organization grant rights or make laws, no. But those members can institute rights and law using the UN as the vehicle and prime mover.
Most Respectfully,
R
The UN cannot create international law. It merely states where already existing international law should apply.
Indeed, the UN can issue opinions.
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Jewish soldiers in the British Army were instrumental in helping more than 1,000 Jews to escape from postwar Europe on a ship that got through a Royal Navy blockade of Palestine.
Details of the exodus of these Holocaust survivors and former partisans into northern Italy, assisted by the army’s Jewish Brigade, and their voyage on the corvette Wedgwood, have been pieced together for the first time, shining a light on postwar Jewish resilience.
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Details of the exodus of these Holocaust survivors and former partisans into northern Italy, assisted by the army’s Jewish Brigade, and their voyage on the corvette Wedgwood, have been pieced together for the first time, shining a light on postwar Jewish resilience.
How Britain’s Jewish troops came to the rescue of Holocaust survivors trying to reach Palestine
Jewish soldiers in the British Army were instrumental in helping more than 1,000 Jews to escape from postwar Europe on a ship that got through a Royal Navy blockade of Palestine.Details of the exodus of these Holocaust survivors and former partisans into northern Italy, assisted by the army’s Jewish
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I enjoyed the movie Exodus, but it was a tad or so on the schmaltzy side. Leon Uris's book, Exodus, on which this move was based, was better.
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Full Length Talk: From Balfour to Boris Johnson, Britain's Role in the Oppression of Palestinians.
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RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
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BLUF: However you (or anyone else) slings the mud, or tries to make it look like the Arab Palestinians were the target of a conspiracy to further and further victimize them, → it has become → rather overtaken by events (politically speaking).
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Nothing the Allied Powers did before the implementation of the Civil Administration, and nothing the British did during their time as the Mandatory Power, can effect a change in the sovereign holdings of Israel today.
It is unlikely that Israel will reward the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) (Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters) criminals all, with any settlement that is significantly advantageous to the HoAP - given that the HoAP will not provide any reparations and restitution for violations to Article 68 of the IV Geneva Convention, and criminal acts taken against the people and the State of Israel since the inception of the surviving major Palestinian terrorist groups in the mid-1960s.
If the Arab Palestinians put as much effort into Peace as the have into Conflict, they would have their own State, much more stable, developed, and larger then at present. They would have been much better-off if they had made an effort for peace. There would be no question as to the sovereignty of their State.
No matter how much the HoAP pushes the logical fallacy of attempting to draw support on the basis of emotion, it simply will not sustain itself; as the HoAP are beginning to find-out today.
Just ask any of the HoAP, how well their political leadership has worked-out for its people and the attainment of sovereignty.
Most Respectfully,
R
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BLUF: However you (or anyone else) slings the mud, or tries to make it look like the Arab Palestinians were the target of a conspiracy to further and further victimize them, → it has become → rather overtaken by events (politically speaking).
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Nothing the Allied Powers did before the implementation of the Civil Administration, and nothing the British did during their time as the Mandatory Power, can effect a change in the sovereign holdings of Israel today.
It is unlikely that Israel will reward the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) (Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters) criminals all, with any settlement that is significantly advantageous to the HoAP - given that the HoAP will not provide any reparations and restitution for violations to Article 68 of the IV Geneva Convention, and criminal acts taken against the people and the State of Israel since the inception of the surviving major Palestinian terrorist groups in the mid-1960s.
If the Arab Palestinians put as much effort into Peace as the have into Conflict, they would have their own State, much more stable, developed, and larger then at present. They would have been much better-off if they had made an effort for peace. There would be no question as to the sovereignty of their State.
No matter how much the HoAP pushes the logical fallacy of attempting to draw support on the basis of emotion, it simply will not sustain itself; as the HoAP are beginning to find-out today.
Just ask any of the HoAP, how well their political leadership has worked-out for its people and the attainment of sovereignty.
Most Respectfully,
R
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