The Nation of Islam's minister convicted of bank fraud

[Anonymous1977]

So I recently discovered that a man convicted of lying to banks and stealing $323,000 from them (while he was a member of the Nation of Islam) is a top Nation of Islam official.

His name is Akbar Muhammad and here are two links about his conviction:

(From The St. Louis Post-Dispatch:) Nation of Islam figure pleads guilty of fraud He used multiple Social Security numbers to hide debts from lenders. : News

(From A Singular Voice blog:) N.O.I Minister Larry 4X Prescott (aka Akbar Muhammad), Convention Speaker For MANA, Pleads Guilty to Bank Fraud

A quote from the blogger: "What makes [Akbar's] crime all the more appalling is the fact that he held a number of 'fund raisers' (are you all starting to get the picture) in different cities in support of his legal defense fund knowing full well that he was guilty!"

The blogger said this referring to fund raisers held by Mr. Muhammad wherein he asked for money to help pay for his legal defense, which is therefore more stealing if he knew that he was guilty.

The Nation of Islam is an American religious group headed by Louis Farrakhan.

Comments?...

 

[S.J.]

N.O.I. is a hate group and should be banned. This may help but Farrakhan is the one who needs to go to prison.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

So I recently discovered that a man convicted of lying to banks and stealing $323,000 from them (while he was a member of the Nation of Islam) is a top Nation of Islam official.

His name is Akbar Muhammad and here are two links about his conviction:

(From The St. Louis Post-Dispatch:) Nation of Islam figure pleads guilty of fraud He used multiple Social Security numbers to hide debts from lenders. : News

(From A Singular Voice blog:) N.O.I Minister Larry 4X Prescott (aka Akbar Muhammad), Convention Speaker For MANA, Pleads Guilty to Bank Fraud

A quote from the blogger: "What makes [Akbar's] crime all the more appalling is the fact that he held a number of 'fund raisers' (are you all starting to get the picture) in different cities in support of his legal defense fund knowing full well that he was guilty!"

The blogger said this referring to fund raisers held by Mr. Muhammad wherein he asked for money to help pay for his legal defense, which is therefore more stealing if he knew that he was guilty.

The Nation of Islam is an American religious group headed by Louis Farrakhan.

Comments?...

So? This the first time in history a church leader got caught embezzling or something?

 

[Anonymous1977]

So? This the first time in history a church leader got caught embezzling or something?

Greetings Delta...actually in Islam Muslims are strictly forbidden to *lie.* This is Qur'an 2:42, Yusuf Ali translation:

"And cover not Truth
With falsehood, nor conceal
The Truth when ye know (what it is)."...

This isn't the only lie that the NOI has been involved in...here is another interesting story about their *lie* not to carry weapons; video of former NOI representative Khalid Muhammad referring to an event at which he drew a firearm (in his slang words "pulled his stuff" which is Black American slang for drawing a firearm) while guarding Farrakhan...how can they be trusted to TELL THE TRUTH with all of the lying I wonder...:

 

[Delta4Embassy]

So? This the first time in history a church leader got caught embezzling or something?

Greetings Delta...actually in Islam Muslims are strictly forbidden to *lie.* This is Qur'an 2:42, Yusuf Ali translation:

"And cover not Truth
With falsehood, nor conceal
The Truth when ye know (what it is)."...

This isn't the only lie that the NOI has been involved in...here is another interesting story about their *lie* not to carry weapons; video of former NOI representative Khalid Muhammad referring to an event at which he drew a firearm (in his slang words "pulled his stuff" which is Black American slang for drawing a firearm) while guarding Farrakhan...how can they be trusted to TELL THE TRUTH with all of the lying I wonder...:

Nation of Islam isn't Islam is the problem. NoI is a cult. Not even an offshoot or tradition of Islam like Sunni, Shia, or Kurdish. It's its' own little cult using the Islam name. So using actual Islamic doctrine against NoI is akin to using Christian doctrine against those white supremacist 'Christian' cults.

 

[Anonymous1977]

Nation of Islam isn't Islam is the problem. NoI is a cult. Not even an offshoot or tradition of Islam like Sunni, Shia, or Kurdish. It's its' own little cult using the Islam name. So using actual Islamic doctrine against NoI is akin to using Christian doctrine against those white supremacist 'Christian' cults.

I see...the NOI however testifies that the Qur'an is "the book of Scripture of the Muslims," and here is an excerpt from some of their writings on it:

The Glorious Holy Qur'an Sharrieff
by The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
Message to the Blackman in America, pages 92, 93 (1965)

"The [Qur'an will heal the sin-sick souls of American Negroes. It] will open their blinded eyes and open their deaf ears. The book that will purify them, the book that makes a distinction between the God of righteousness and the god of evil, the book of guidance, the book of light and truth, the book of wisdom and judgment."

Here Mr. Muhammad is saying these things while his group is shown to willfully lie which the Qur'an forbids...

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Nation of Islam isn't Islam is the problem. NoI is a cult. Not even an offshoot or tradition of Islam like Sunni, Shia, or Kurdish. It's its' own little cult using the Islam name. So using actual Islamic doctrine against NoI is akin to using Christian doctrine against those white supremacist 'Christian' cults.

I see...the NOI however testifies that the Qur'an is "the book of Scripture of the Muslims," and here is an excerpt from some of their writings on it:

The Glorious Holy Qur'an Sharrieff
by The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
Message to the Blackman in America, pages 92, 93 (1965)

"The [Qur'an will heal the sin-sick souls of American Negroes. It] will open their blinded eyes and open their deaf ears. The book that will purify them, the book that makes a distinction between the God of righteousness and the god of evil, the book of guidance, the book of light and truth, the book of wisdom and judgment."

Here Mr. Muhammad is saying these things while his group is shown to willfully lie which the Qur'an forbids...

Actual Islamic analysis or NoI you should absolutely read. Points out the non-Islamic nature of the cult.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

N.O.I. is a hate group and should be banned. This may help but Farrakhan is the one who needs to go to prison.

Do you support banning all speech you disagree with?

 

[Anonymous1977]

...edited post number 6 after I realized it contained some of the NOI's racist ideologies; sorry I didn't realize that sooner.

 

[Anonymous1977]

Actual Islamic analysis or NoI you should absolutely read. Points out the non-Islamic nature of the cult.

I see...the Orthodox Muslims don't seem to follow the Qur'an to me (Qur'an 30:31-32.) They practice sectarianism. So I wouldn't know what to make of Orthodox Islam and their ideas ...

 

[S.J.]

N.O.I. is a hate group and should be banned. This may help but Farrakhan is the one who needs to go to prison.

Do you support banning all speech you disagree with?

No, do you?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Nation of Islam is no part of Islam much as this to follow is no part of actual Christianity,

" (also known as Identity Christianity[1]) (CI) holds that the ancient Israelites are the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Nordic and kindred peoples of the world and are the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It is not an organized religion but composed of individuals, churches and some prison gangs[2] with a white supremacist theology[3][4] that promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who considered Europeans to be the "chosen people" and the Jews were considered to be the cursed offspring of Cain. Many of these teachings were later adopted by white supremacist sects and gangs.

An early Christian Identity teacher, Wesley Swift, formulated the doctrine that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God's favor or be saved."
Christian Identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[theDoctorisIn]

N.O.I. is a hate group and should be banned. This may help but Farrakhan is the one who needs to go to prison.

Do you support banning all speech you disagree with?

No, do you?

Nope. If you'll notice, I didn't call for any groups to be "banned".

 

[Anonymous1977]

Nation of Islam is no part of Islam much as this to follow is no part of actual Christianity,

" (also known as Identity Christianity[1]) (CI) holds that the ancient Israelites are the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Nordic and kindred peoples of the world and are the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It is not an organized religion but composed of individuals, churches and some prison gangs[2] with a white supremacist theology[3][4] that promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who considered Europeans to be the "chosen people" and the Jews were considered to be the cursed offspring of Cain. Many of these teachings were later adopted by white supremacist sects and gangs.

An early Christian Identity teacher, Wesley Swift, formulated the doctrine that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God's favor or be saved."
Christian Identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see...Jesus says in the Bible that he will judge all, so leaving to him the judging of who is really what is preferential for me. But the NOI plainly lies which is forbidden in the Qur'an...

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Nation of Islam is no part of Islam much as this to follow is no part of actual Christianity,

" (also known as Identity Christianity[1]) (CI) holds that the ancient Israelites are the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Nordic and kindred peoples of the world and are the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It is not an organized religion but composed of individuals, churches and some prison gangs[2] with a white supremacist theology[3][4] that promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who considered Europeans to be the "chosen people" and the Jews were considered to be the cursed offspring of Cain. Many of these teachings were later adopted by white supremacist sects and gangs.

An early Christian Identity teacher, Wesley Swift, formulated the doctrine that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God's favor or be saved."
Christian Identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see...Jesus says in the Bible that he will judge all, so leaving to him the judging of who is really what sounds best to me. But the NOI plainly lies which is forbidden in the Qur'an...

Pretty sure all religions forbid lying.

 

[S.J.]

N.O.I. is a hate group and should be banned. This may help but Farrakhan is the one who needs to go to prison.

Do you support banning all speech you disagree with?

No, do you?

Nope. If you'll notice, I didn't call for any groups to be "banned".

What about a right wing group advocating violence?

 

[Anonymous1977]

Pretty sure all religions forbid lying.

I see...could you demonstrate that for Christianity?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

N.O.I. is a hate group and should be banned. This may help but Farrakhan is the one who needs to go to prison.

Do you support banning all speech you disagree with?

No, do you?

Nope. If you'll notice, I didn't call for any groups to be "banned".

What about a right wing group advocating violence?

Nope. I don't believe that the right to free association is somehow negated by speech that I don't like.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Pretty sure all religions forbid lying.

I see...could you demonstrate that for Christianity?

Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor

 

[S.J.]

N.O.I. is a hate group and should be banned. This may help but Farrakhan is the one who needs to go to prison.

Do you support banning all speech you disagree with?

No, do you?

Nope. If you'll notice, I didn't call for any groups to be "banned".

What about a right wing group advocating violence?

Nope. I don't believe that the right to free association is somehow negated by speech that I don't like.

Or speech that is illegal?