The low IQ voter

[Daryl Hunt]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

 

[sparky]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

a big 10-4 Daryl, but i suspect Congress does little more than feign concern

Another savvy poster forwarded this vid , simplistic yet brutal in it's truth>



~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

Most people that post on this board from both the left and the right are far more aware and up to date on current events in politics and global issues than these idiots in the video....
I may not agree with some of you here but I respect you for being here....except the cowards that put you on ignore...they may as well join the blockheads in the video......

And how do you respect people who try and be informed and then reject everything they've informed themselves about and either insult or shout "fake news" loudly?

 

[mudwhistle]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

 

[sparky]

methinks unless you've got a million $$$, we've lost it long ago....

 

[Rambunctious]

And how do you respect people who try and be informed and then reject everything they've informed themselves about and either insult or shout "fake news" loudly?

I'm an educator.....that's all....you either get it or you don't...sometimes a slap in the face is just what is needed to wake people up from their Obama slumber....
When people welcome a hoard of immigrants...... blindly welcome them into our nation because they hate the man in the white house they are due for a wake up call....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And how do you respect people who try and be informed and then reject everything they've informed themselves about and either insult or shout "fake news" loudly?

I'm an educator.....that's all....you either get it or you don't...sometimes a slap in the face is just what is needed to wake people up from their Obama slumber....
When people welcome a hoard of immigrants...... blindly welcome them into our nation because they hate the man in the white house they are due for a wake up call....

For decades, we have had a shortage of Immigration Judges. So some creative, and sometimes illegal, methods have had to be adopted to deal with it. Before, they had 40 days to get that immigrant in front of a judge but there were just too many so they had to do the catch and release. Then it was recently changed to 20 days and prisons were overfilled and the overflow went into catch and release. Since children cannot be sent to prison with their parents, a whole new problem reared it's ugly head. And, still, not enough Immigration Justices are available to handle the workload. Do you see the real problem here? It's not the Law Enforcement or even the Immigrants, it's the lack of Immigration Justices. And Washington is doing nothing but pass the ball back and forth and playing the blame game.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

Obstruction resistance coming from a Republican? Now, that's rich. You should go on stage with that routine. Preferably, be under the stage when it rumbles down the rough trail.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

It appears that when the Dems do violence they are pikers in comparison to the Republicans. If I say "Bad Things" about Trump, no matter if they are true or not, I have to be suspect of every package and watch all letters for white substance. I also have to either avoid Churches unless it has a company of armed security guards on all the entrances. And I don't dare go to a Republican Town Hall and ask something that the Candidate doesn't like or I may get body slammed by the Candidate who will still win the primary.

Rather than talk about violence, how about talk the issues instead. There seems very little of that these days.

 

[mudwhistle]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

Obstruction resistance coming from a Republican? Now, that's rich. You should go on stage with that routine. Preferably, be under the stage when it rumbles down the rough trail.

Maybe you should pull you fucking head out of your ass, dick head.
If you think Democrats aren't trying to obstruct everything Trump does then it's clear you are either insane or a compulsive liar.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

Obstruction resistance coming from a Republican? Now, that's rich. You should go on stage with that routine. Preferably, be under the stage when it rumbles down the rough trail.

Maybe you should pull you fucking head out of your ass, dick head.
If you think Democrats aren't trying to obstruct everything Trump does then it's clear you are either insane or a compulsive liar.

Payback's a bitch, ain't it.

 

[Thinker101]

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

Obstruction resistance coming from a Republican? Now, that's rich. You should go on stage with that routine. Preferably, be under the stage when it rumbles down the rough trail.

Maybe you should pull you fucking head out of your ass, dick head.
If you think Democrats aren't trying to obstruct everything Trump does then it's clear you are either insane or a compulsive liar.

Payback's a bitch, ain't it.

Not at all, you can keep your head up your ass as long as you like.

 

[mudwhistle]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

It appears that when the Dems do violence they are pikers in comparison to the Republicans. If I say "Bad Things" about Trump, no matter if they are true or not, I have to be suspect of every package and watch all letters for white substance. I also have to either avoid Churches unless it has a company of armed security guards on all the entrances. And I don't dare go to a Republican Town Hall and ask something that the Candidate doesn't like or I may get body slammed by the Candidate who will still win the primary.

Rather than talk about violence, how about talk the issues instead. There seems very little of that these days.

Yet the latest shooter was a Trump hater.
You may not know this, but not every white guy that pulls a trigger is a Republican. Historically most white assassins in America were either Democrats, Communists, or from the middle east.

 

[busybee01]

One party of low education just elected a low educated president and blissfully carries on...

He's so "low educated" that he attended the renowned Wharton School of Business (Ivy League college of Penn), is a billionaire, and has been a resounding success at everything he has tried (including becoming the FIRST person in history to run for president and WIN without ever having held public office of any kind before).

You continue to prove the premise of this thread. The left is nothing but uninformed, low IQ parasites.

He is low educated. He doesn't read. Has to have things explained in pictures. He has been a successful developer but has been unsuccessful in selling to consumers. Trump Air, steaks, and wine to name a few have been failures. He has declared bankruptcy on several of his ventures. It shows that sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. Republicans split which allowed him win the Republican nomination and Clinton proved to be a weak candidate who would have been beaten by any Republican.

ANY successful businessman has failures. Not because they're a bad person. If you don't take chances, like you, you'll forever be stuck where you are today. What's the sport's analogy, you can't get to second base without taking your foot off first base.

How many successful businesses are in the Trump empire? No one wants to declare bankruptcy for one of their businesses. Stuff happens. Our founding fathers knew that it was so important to have that as an option that they included the option of bankruptcy in the constitution. Did you even know it is in our constitution?

President Donald Trump did not become a multi-billionaire because he is LUCKY. He did it because he is willing to take big risks and because he doesn't need months to make a decision. That's why he can accomplish more in a day than every other president could do in a month.

He also got a big help from his daddy. He failed at everything but being a developer. To be a developer, you have to be a con-artist extraordinaire and Trump is that. His failures have 1 thread in common. Selling to the consumer. You cannot buy people off to purchase your product. You have to have a good product and Trump did not.

The federal government is a system of checks and balances. It was meant to be deliberative. He can make any decision he wants but he is not a king.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

It appears that when the Dems do violence they are pikers in comparison to the Republicans. If I say "Bad Things" about Trump, no matter if they are true or not, I have to be suspect of every package and watch all letters for white substance. I also have to either avoid Churches unless it has a company of armed security guards on all the entrances. And I don't dare go to a Republican Town Hall and ask something that the Candidate doesn't like or I may get body slammed by the Candidate who will still win the primary.

Rather than talk about violence, how about talk the issues instead. There seems very little of that these days.

Yet the latest shooter was a Trump hater.
You may not know this, but not every white guy that pulls a trigger is a Republican. Historically most white assassins in America were either Democrats, Communists, or from the middle east.

Trump hater? His van was draped with pro trump material. And he was quoted as saying that Trump was like a Father to him. You always explode when faced with facts?

 

[busybee01]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

It appears that when the Dems do violence they are pikers in comparison to the Republicans. If I say "Bad Things" about Trump, no matter if they are true or not, I have to be suspect of every package and watch all letters for white substance. I also have to either avoid Churches unless it has a company of armed security guards on all the entrances. And I don't dare go to a Republican Town Hall and ask something that the Candidate doesn't like or I may get body slammed by the Candidate who will still win the primary.

Rather than talk about violence, how about talk the issues instead. There seems very little of that these days.

Yet the latest shooter was a Trump hater.
You may not know this, but not every white guy that pulls a trigger is a Republican. Historically most white assassins in America were either Democrats, Communists, or from the middle east.

The bombing in OKC was the result of far-right wing militias that support Trump and Republicans today. The pipe bomb maker was a Republican. The Proud boys who beat protestors were invited by Republicans to speak. The synagogue shooter didn't think Trump was as far to the right as he was.

 

[busybee01]

He is low educated. He doesn't read. Has to have things explained in pictures. He has been a successful developer but has been unsuccessful in selling to consumers. Trump Air, steaks, and wine to name a few have been failures. He has declared bankruptcy on several of his ventures. It shows that sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. Republicans split which allowed him win the Republican nomination and Clinton proved to be a weak candidate who would have been beaten by any Republican.

Name a candidate from the Democratic Party that would be better than Hillary.....

Easy answer. Jim Webb.

He can’t get 5% of the party. Is he even a Democrat anymore?

I am talking about a candidate that would do better than Hillary against Trump who could win the nomination.

The answer of course is that there isn’t one. Hillary has the old Clinton Democrats, the anti-Bush Democrats, some of the Obama coalition from her days as Secretary of State and the tumblr whackadoodles from her feminist card being thrown around.
No current potential candidate for the Democratic nomination will ever approach the support Hillary got.

Hillary owned the Democratic Party while Trump hijacked the republican party. Some choice. Do I drink the battery acid because the drano isn't good for me? I want candidates like Jim Webb and Nikki Haley to face off. Wouldn't that be a refreshing choice?

Hillary still owns the Democratic party today and still will in 2020, don't kid yourself.

Nikki Haley is a disgraceful moron who allowed Democrats to attack Southerners because Dylann Roof happened to have a confederate flag, and she likely wrote that anonymous article in the New York Times.

Jim Webb once courageously challenged bullshit from regressive Democrats and then he ran away after his presidential campaign failed before it even began. He is likely a phony.

Hillary Clinton is not running in 2020. She does not own the Democrat Party.

 

[busybee01]

Hillary owned the Democratic Party while Trump hijacked the republican party.

Spoken like a true communist nitwit. President Trump didn’t “hijack” the Republican Party. The American people supported him in our democratic process and he won the Republican Party.

You people simply can’t accept that the American people have spoken. Typical of you oppressive nitwits.

He took advantage of the Republican delegate selection rules. He won a majority of the delegates by winning a plurality of primary voters. Interestingly enough he had trouble among suburban and well educated voters. Exactly the voters Republicans are having trouble with.

 

[busybee01]

Isn't this just grand

So tell me, what's the dif betwixt Hope & Change and MAGA?????

Trump's gave us hope while Obama took our change.

Yes, I do hope they cut my Social Security and make my already expensive Medicare even more costly like they have already announced they will. People like Trump, Cruz and McConnel won't notice it when they retired. Except none of them will ever really retire so they won't ever have that as an issue. But all 3 of them will file for it anyway as multi billionaires. One inherited the money while the other two miraculously "Earned" all those bucks while serving in Congress. There is a very good reason that the House will be lost by the Republicans this time around to the Democrats. It's not that the Democrats are such a great deal but at least the millions of us on SS and Medicare won't take the hit. And maybe, they can find another way to balance the budget or reduce the deficit and even pay down on the National Debt. You know, the three things that Trump promised he would do yet he pushed to run the bill up even higher. The Budget is in serious trouble and something has to be done. Maybe a 2 to 4 year timeout for the Republicans will convince them to run some decent Fiscal Conservatives. All of them claim to be Fiscal Conservatives but there is nothing Fiscal nor Conservative about the whole lot. It's time to send a strong message to congress.

I don't think we're losing the House. I think America is fed up with Democrat obstruction and Democrat violence.

Obstruction resistance coming from a Republican? Now, that's rich. You should go on stage with that routine. Preferably, be under the stage when it rumbles down the rough trail.

Maybe you should pull you fucking head out of your ass, dick head.
If you think Democrats aren't trying to obstruct everything Trump does then it's clear you are either insane or a compulsive liar.

Republicans obstructed everything Obama did.

 

[Rambunctious]

For decades, we have had a shortage of Immigration Judges. So some creative, and sometimes illegal, methods have had to be adopted to deal with it. Before, they had 40 days to get that immigrant in front of a judge but there were just too many so they had to do the catch and release. Then it was recently changed to 20 days and prisons were overfilled and the overflow went into catch and release. Since children cannot be sent to prison with their parents, a whole new problem reared it's ugly head. And, still, not enough Immigration Justices are available to handle the workload. Do you see the real problem here? It's not the Law Enforcement or even the Immigrants, it's the lack of Immigration Justices. And Washington is doing nothing but pass the ball back and forth and playing the blame game

Great argument for an impenetrable wall...