The Lie of 9-11 and it's after effects

[Robert W]

4 hours and 51 minutes for me to spend comparing 911 to Pearl Harbor in a movie? I happen to believe that FDR did want the Japanese to attack us since he could instantly get Congress to declare war. His plans could have failed had the Japanese simply stayed in Japan. The Arabs flying our airliners however were not part of Government yet as individuals they managed to kill a lot of people in 3 parts of the USA.

I posted data for you on the VMO of airliners that hit buildings and also just the ground in PA.

 

[wist43]

4 hours and 51 minutes for me to spend comparing 911 to Pearl Harbor in a movie? I happen to believe that FDR did want the Japanese to attack us since he could instantly get Congress to declare war. His plans could have failed had the Japanese simply stayed in Japan. The Arabs flying our airliners however were not part of Government yet as individuals they managed to kill a lot of people in 3 parts of the USA.

I posted data for you on the VMO of airliners that hit buildings and also just the ground in PA.

It isn't about Pearl Harbor... it's just a cursory comparison.

The whole documentary is about questioning the official version of 9/11.

Scroll past the Intro of Pearl Harbor comparison, and watch the 9/11 info.

Good grief dude, you have no clue what happened on 9/11, and seem determined to avoid challenging your ignorance.

BTW, everyone knows FDR and Washington knew about the attack, and that the Establishment wanted to get the U.S. in the war.

 

[The Irish Ram]

From there, it also makes sense that the original passenger planes were landed (there is, or was, evidence that this took place somewhere in Ohio), the passengers disembarked and sequestered (the phones calls were conducted at this time), and then they were all killed. Gassed would make the most sense

Oh, good Lord.
Where in Ohio? I'm in Ohio right now. I can go to the site and ask around to see if anyone thought something strange was happening. Where did they bury the hundreds of bodies they gassed? Where did they hide the big planes that got switched out? And nobody saw anything suspicious...

 

[wist43]

Oh, good Lord.
Where in Ohio? I'm in Ohio right now. I can go to the site and ask around to see if anyone thought something strange was happening. Where did they bury the hundreds of bodies they gassed? Where did they hide the big planes that got switched out? And nobody saw anything suspicious...

When the Feds control a site... nothing to see of course.

They quickly gained complete control of the 9/11 sites, and we could only surmise that it was thermite glowing at those incredible temperatures - I believe there was evidence of thermite proven conclusively eventually, but that was long ago and I didn't research it much.

In the end, nothing to see there.

All video camera footage of the Pentagon hit was confiscated and never seen. Government actually said it would be too traumatic for the relatives of the victims to see... so, nothing to see here either.

There was radar evidence showing unaccounted for aircraft that were believe to be landed in Ohio, but that was online 17 years ago and has since been scrubbed from the internet.

Most of the evidence that was available online 15 or so years ago has been scrubbed from the internet.

So nothing to see here either.

The best of what we have left today is probably the 9/11 Pearl Harbor documentary. It at least asks some of the right questions.

Not sure if Pilots for 9/11Truth covered this or not. I think there were some European investigations into the question. If they found anything, the Government would have immediately scrubbed it anyway.

We're talking about The Military Industrial Complex. Killing 2-3 thousand people is done before lunch on Mondays.

 

[candycorn]

You have to understand a few basic facts, then unravel the mess from there.

If the passenger planes that took off from Newark, et al, could not have withstood the physical forces of flying that far above VMO, and yet still perform extraordinary turns at those speeds, then it stands to reason that the planes that hit the towers and Pentagon were not the original passenger planes.

The unraveling of this fact, and it has to be a fact - if for no other reason than only a modified and reinforced aircraft could withstand the forces imposed - then it further stands to reason that the passenger planes were "swapped out" midair with modified and reinforced drones.

This is not only plausible, and likely, it has historical precedent, at least in terms of operational proposal in the Pentagon plan named Operation Northwoods.

Northwoods was presented to John F Kennedy in 1963, and it is basically the same scenario as what played out on 9/11.

Swap passenger jets out with similar looking drones in midflight, crash the drones into targets, and blame "terrorists" to manipulate public opinion, etc.

From there, it also makes sense that the original passenger planes were landed (there is, or was, evidence that this took place somewhere in Ohio), the passengers disembarked and sequestered (the phones calls were conducted at this time), and then they were all killed. Gassed would make the most sense. Kills them all at once, no trauma for the killers.

To be sure, that is how I would have set it up.

Well, then you have to quickly fly to the crash sites, get into the smoking craters of buildings and plant human remains.

You'd also have to pay the people at the various responding agencies to keep quite about the deaths by asphyxiation instead of the impact of a plane crash.

You'd also have to be paying many of these people today for their silence.


That you would have sat it up that way is not surprising...what you laid out is about the dumbest scenario ever written down, anywhere...ever.

 

[candycorn]

When the Feds control a site... nothing to see of course.

They quickly gained complete control of the 9/11 sites, and we could only surmise that it was thermite glowing at those incredible temperatures - I believe there was evidence of thermite proven conclusively eventually, but that was long ago and I didn't research it much.

In the end, nothing to see there.

All video camera footage of the Pentagon hit was confiscated and never seen. Government actually said it would be too traumatic for the relatives of the victims to see... so, nothing to see here either.

There was radar evidence showing unaccounted for aircraft that were believe to be landed in Ohio, but that was online 17 years ago and has since been scrubbed from the internet.

Most of the evidence that was available online 15 or so years ago has been scrubbed from the internet.

So nothing to see here either.

The best of what we have left today is probably the 9/11 Pearl Harbor documentary. It at least asks some of the right questions.

Not sure if Pilots for 9/11Truth covered this or not. I think there were some European investigations into the question. If they found anything, the Government would have immediately scrubbed it anyway.

We're talking about The Military Industrial Complex. Killing 2-3 thousand people is done before lunch on Mondays.

More lies.

Footage was confiscated then returned when there was no value.

Quote the government saying "it would be too traumatic"....

No such radar evidence exists anywhere.

I think you stumbled into the best description of your theories..."nothing to see here". I love a good conspiracy theory...too bad you can't even provide that.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Yeah, nobody cares.

Please tell us what major thing the 9/11 Commission Report got wrong. So far, you've not listed a single thing.

Which means that You suffer from a failure to comprehend printed material doesn't it.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Well, you seem not to know this, but the Pentagon has a highway running past it on the side it got hit. Witnesses in cars showed up to testify they saw the airliner hit the Pentagon. Sure, as fast as it flew, no doubt no driver had time to whip out his camera to video the crash.

You Assume quite a bit about me.

Many claimed to Witness a Jet Air Liner crashing into the Pentagon, such as Gary Bauer, and Many also testified that they never saw such a thing. But, after several communications with Gary Bauer, as well as checking several sources referring to Bauers schedule that day,..... He lied! He was no where near the Pentagon that day.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Truth, the Government is about the last thing I would trust, but take the plane that went down in a field. If it didn't go down, where are all the people? If the second plane didn't fly into the building, where did it go? 246 people disappeared that day, and they were all on planes. Where are they now?

You seem to have a fetish for "where are the bodies", which if not explained to you in a manner that You desire, then,.... The Government Narrative has to be True.

I'll put it this way,.... If a car, ran a red light, & hit another car at an intersection, resulting in the death of the innocent driver,... If the Offender drove off,...... With Your Mindset, You'd say that since there wasn't two vehicles present at the scene,.....

Then It Never Happened.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Let's examine the UN members.
First all of it.

193 member countries
As of now, there are 193 member countries in the United Nations. This includes 193 sovereign states, with two non-member observer states also recognized.

There are 57 Muslim member countries

Frankly would you kick the Muslims out so they played no role? There are far more non-Muslim states who have more to say about actions.

If you were in the smaller group, would you feel very powerful?

Stick to the Topic of the OP Robert.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I Regret not having somehow divided this topic in to the WTC Crash, The Pentagon Crash, & the Shanksville crash. and another Topic of what was/is "The Fruit of 9-11".

As it is now,.... Data posted is somewhat confusing, but that is not Intentional, unless of course it's the "Troll like Naysayers", who have shown a tendency to immediately attack anything that contradicts what the American People & THe World have been told.

 

[candycorn]

Which means that You suffer from a failure to comprehend printed material doesn't it.

LOL...

Which means (apparently) the report is flawless since, clearly, you or witts or whatever his name is, can't point out a single flaw on any of the major points.

The floor is yours...get busy or get lost.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

LOL...

Which means (apparently) the report is flawless since, clearly, you or witts or whatever his name is, can't point out a single flaw on any of the major points.

The floor is yours...get busy or get lost.

Re-read post #447.

Perhaps a "Go Fund Me" could be started where You could pay for several "Basic Reading Courses".

I'll gladly provide a penny.

 

[candycorn]

Re-read post #447.

Perhaps a "Go Fund Me" could be started where You could pay for several "Basic Reading Courses".

I'll gladly provide a penny.

Well, if you can't point out anything the government commission got wrong in it's report...we just have to assume it's all correct.

Do you have anything else to offer other than wild opinions?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Well, if you can't point out anything the government commission got wrong in it's report...we just have to assume it's all correct.

Do you have anything else to offer other than wild opinions?

Post #447 Candy

 

[candycorn]

Post #447 Candy

I'm sorry you've got nothing. Free advice; if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I'm sorry you've got nothing. Free advice; if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

Post #447 Candy

 

[The Irish Ram]

You seem to have a fetish for "where are the bodies", which if not explained to you in a manner that You desire, then,.... The Government Narrative has to be True.

I'll put it this way,.... If a car, ran a red light, & hit another car at an intersection, resulting in the death of the innocent driver,... If the Offender drove off,...... With Your Mindset, You'd say that since there wasn't two vehicles present at the scene,.....

Then It Never Happened.

Not a fetish, but a viable question.
Where are the planes, where are the bodies? If you conjure up a hypothesis as stupid as the one in this thread, you have to be able to prove at least some of your guess-work. That all those passengers just went poof is ridiculous. That no one saw nufin, is even more ridiculous. Maybe after they gassed the hundreds of passengers, they threw the bodies into ovens. And no one probably saw them sink the planes in the Ohio River because everyone in Ohio went to bed early that night...

I am the one who says, If the government says, "Go North", I suggest you go South. That is how much I trust the Government. I trust your speculation even less. It's just chock-full of holes that you try to gloss over...

 

[candycorn]

Not a fetish, but a viable question.
Where are the planes, where are the bodies? If you conjure up a hypothesis as stupid as the one in this thread, you have to be able to prove at least some of your guess-work. That all those passengers just went poof is ridiculous. That no one saw nufin, is even more ridiculous. Maybe after they gassed the hundreds of passengers, they threw the bodies into ovens. And no one probably saw them sink the planes in the Ohio River because everyone in Ohio went to bed early that night...

I am the one who says, If the government says, "Go North", I suggest you go South. That is how much I trust the Government. I trust your speculation even less. It's just chock-full of holes that you try to gloss over...

Thanks for pointing out that the crazed theories don’t even pass the smell test much less any rigorous examination.

 

[PeterPilot]

Many Americans are very proud to believe the claims of known liars, and those same people refuse to view the facts. It's like religion--buying into narratives that you know cannot be proved.

Many of them also bought into the Scamdemic. Gullible is as gullible does.

All the facts contradict the official conspiracy theory. Truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie.